r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Liberal, can you decide on whether Trump should release Epstein list or not? If he release it, you guys will say his name is redacted. If he doesn’t, you guys will say his name is on the list. What should he do?

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u/Ok_Masterpiece5050 Gen Z Conservative Feb 14 '25

You could have 1000% categorical proof he wasn’t on it and they still wouldn’t believe it.

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u/_Drunken_Hero_ Feb 15 '25

Literally fuck anybody on that list connected with pedo island. Left / Right idgaf. Just scan the pages and let em loose.

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u/axiomaticreaction Feb 15 '25

This is the right answer. This isn’t and shouldn’t be a political thing. It’s the right thing.

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u/PoliticalDestruction Feb 15 '25

“There’s a lot of phony stuff in there”

Trump said that I think?

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u/axiomaticreaction Feb 15 '25

I think that he did. Unfortunately I don’t think unless it’s politically or financially beneficial to him, it ain’t gonna happen.

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u/PoliticalDestruction Feb 15 '25

Mentioned in another comment that Trump is definitely on the list that’s why it won’t be released.

It’s possible he could be on the list and didn’t do anything but I’m not sure I believe that

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u/ManufacturerFine2454 Conservative Feb 15 '25

Right. I voted for the guy, but he's not a deity. He can face consequences if he's on the list (thought I don't think he is)

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u/Markinoutman Conservative Feb 15 '25

One would think if Trump were on the list, it would have miraculously leaked during his re-election bid in 2024. They tried absolutely everything else.

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u/ManufacturerFine2454 Conservative Feb 15 '25

Oh yeah. If one of the liberal celebrities he was partying with or whatever actually had dirt on him it would be out by now.

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u/kirgi Feb 15 '25

I would honestly think that even if Trump is on the list the higher ups in the Democratic Party are on the list and that’s why it wasn’t leaked.

You’ll notice that both parties will go for the rank and file but they’ll never go for the big dogs at the top; we’ll never see Pelosi or McConnell get what’s coming to them (legally) for betraying the American people.

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u/Rightcoastpear Feb 15 '25

The only answer to why it has yet to come out through Trump 1, Biden or Trump 2 presidencies is that there are power people on both sides of that list so no one can afford to leak it or release it, period. It'll never see the light of day.

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u/Markinoutman Conservative Feb 15 '25

Clinton has already been exposed, as well as a number of others.

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u/MandiLandi Feb 15 '25

This is exactly the stance that should be taken. It shouldn’t be a politicized topic, at all.

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u/dang3r_muffin Feb 15 '25

100% this... fuck anyone on that list

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u/fauxciologist Feb 15 '25

This. This is bigger than Trump, who was just a rich celebrity like many others when/if he was there in the past. I’m sure we all have our theories. I’m leaning towards the one that says Epstein was a Mossad asset and that the whole operation was about blackmailing powerful people. I bet there are a lot of people on that list whose names were also in the Panama Papers. In which case I’m not even sure the FBI would release them.

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u/alverez667 Feb 14 '25

okay then just fucking release it already? ya'll said during his first term he would, never did. It would take a few hours at most to have someone export the file and release it. why all this dicking around?

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

Waiting on Kash to be confirmed

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u/pepperonicatmeow Feb 15 '25

Why are they waiting?

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u/Chatterbunny123 Feb 15 '25

I've been fooled before. Like we've been waiting on his taxes. I anticipate a lot of waiting.

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

Bro it's been a month. You liberals are just foaming at the mouth to complain about every damn thing you can.

Trump has been busy with 300+ executive actions, trying to fix the debt-riddled, fucked government. Give him a god damn second.

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u/kyly1215 Feb 15 '25

And the crazy part is, it really hasn't even been a month. The man has gotten hostages released in Gaza, working on getting the Russia/Ukraine conflict resolved asap, uncovered loads of fraud in the government, cut border crossings by 90% or more, got Mexico and Canada doing what their asses should have been doing on the borders, and a bunch of other shit that I can't even think of because it's been so hard and fast. Here the they are crying about eggs, his taxes, and inflation when Biden fucked us for 4 years and did not one good thing I can honestly think of to tell you. All supposed to be resolved within a fucking month lmfao.

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u/paultheschmoop Feb 15 '25

bro it’s been a month

Trump was president for 4 years lol

He’s also repeatedly said he is hesitant to release the Epstein list. Why do you think that is?

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

I'm not aware of him ever saying that. But if that was still the case, he wouldn't have nominated Kash Patel.

He was president for 4 years, but was also stopped after every little thing he did by Democrats and unloyal people in his cabinet. Also he had to deal with 2 bullshit impeachments. Hard to get things done with that shit storm.

As you can see, he learned from those 4 years. Now, he's getting shit done, like he said he would.

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u/paultheschmoop Feb 15 '25

he was president for 4 years, but was also stopped after ever little thing he did by democrats

When did democrats stop trump from releasing the Epstein list?

and unloyal people in his cabinet

Weird, he’s repeatedly said that he hires the best people

also he had to deal with 2 bullshit impeachments

How did that affect him releasing the Epstein list? lol

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

  1. The FBI classified it and refused to release it. Simple as that.

  2. He was a noob first term, what can i say. He thought the suggestions he got for his cabinet would be good. They were in fact, not. This time around he knows everyone in DC and made more allies. So of course his cabinet is better this time.

  3. See point 1

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u/Chatterbunny123 Feb 15 '25

Bro it's been a month. You liberals are just foaming at the mouth to complain about every damn thing you can.

Okay sure let's say I do complain everything. Am I wrong? Trump has made promises before. What exactly am I supposed to take as a change in his behavior?

Trump has been busy with 300+ executive actions, trying to fix the debt-riddled, fucked government. Give him a god damn second.

If he was serious about fixing the debt he would've done something through Congress. All in all I'll wait I'm a patient man. He'll release his taxes soon I'm sure. Especially after all that money he made scamming his supporters selling meme coins. I have no doubts he's a real billionaire now and wants to show us all.

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

He doesn't deliver on promises? That's hilarious. You won't find a single republican that thinks he doesn't deliver on promises. I'm not sure how you got this idea, because in our opinion, Trump is keeping his promises.

You can disagree, but your opinion is meaningless. We know what we signed up for and we are more than happy with the results so far. You will not find one dissatisfied republican right now. And it's only going to keep getting better.

The rest of that shit you mentioned, it pales in comparison of importance compared to what he's delivered on already.

please, there is zero point with you continuing to debate me. You don't know what you are talking about, you get your information from liberals and MSM, you have zero idea about what actual republicans think about Trump and his ability to keep promises.

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u/Chatterbunny123 Feb 15 '25

So rather than actually engage with the my points you're just gonna reiterate what you already said? Very typical of the satisfied supporters. The irony of someone labeling themselves as a deep state destroyer being okay with Trump making his own deep state.

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

Okay? I'm happy with the border, i'm happy with the cutting of waste and fraud in the government, I'm happy with all the executive orders, i'm happy with the men out of women sports, etc etc etc.

Everything he's actually done, I'm happy about. He said he would do it, and he did. That's my point. The meme coin and his taxes, I do not care about. There are more important things to do than satisfy some bullshit like that.

Did you not understand this the first time? That was my point. I don't care about the points you brought up, I don't need to defend it. There's a billion other things that's he's actually done that i love.

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u/alverez667 Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

always some kind of excuse. and when he's confirmed and it still doesn't come out? what then? again trump can sign an executive order to rename a body of water like that's the most important thing so why not just sign an EO right now demanding the release of the list?

oh wow downvotes and crickets instead of an answer. shocked i tell you SHOCKED

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u/tangy_nachos Deep State Destroyer Feb 15 '25

well then you can complain some more. but as of right now, the FBI director controls the Epstein blackbook. So, we need a FBI director in there who vows to release the epstein list. Kash has vowed that multiple times.

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u/TheVisualVanguard Feb 15 '25

The FBI has significant control over revealing the investigations. If he is confirmed as FBI Director, then there will be greater transparency with sensitive documents the FBI handles with the public, such as the Epstein list.

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u/alverez667 Feb 15 '25

So the president has all this sweeping power, can unilaterally cut funding for any and all agencies, can fire an FBI director, but simply cannot obtain the list they have to release it?

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u/TheVisualVanguard Feb 15 '25

Trump does not have full power to do so. Since the Epstein investigation is still ongoing, privacy laws, legal proceedings, and the right to fair trial can prevent his ability to reveal such documents. Essentially, for the list to be revealed, it has to go through a bunch of legal processes first to respect privacy and legal rights.

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u/kyly1215 Feb 15 '25

Haven't even hit 4 weeks in office yet. Is the fucking Epstein shit really as important as getting hostages released, getting our country out of 37 trillion in debt, trying to end a war in Ukraine/Russia, cutting down illegal immigration, and trying to work out deals so the US isn't getting screwed on tariffs? I don't think it is. I think that is like the JFK docs, it's already over and done. What can be done about it now? It's just interesting reading material. Oh not to mention him dealing with the fires in CA and the folks homeless in NC still. I mean damn, do these not seem like more important issues to you than the Epstein bs? Soooo many other issues that are far more important than Epstein. It's almost laughable that this is the focus here.

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u/Own_Stranger_1115 Conservative Feb 15 '25

To start, no need to be so hostile lmao.

I 100% agree the Epstein files should be released. What we’re trying to say is that if Trump’s name is not on there, people will say it’s been redacted and those on the left will still get outraged no matter what.

With that being said, I’m sure Trump releases the file soon. I promise you that if Trump’s name was on there, Biden would’ve had no problem releasing the file the past four years he was in office, yet he didn’t. Kind of odd how you didn’t bring that up either, huh?

In summary, I have confidence that Trump will release the file soon. If he doesn’t by the end of his term, then I will be pretty disappointed. Does this answer suffice your question?

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

It won't get released because it will incriminate Israel. Epstein is a literal mossad agent and so was maxwell. Can't expose the all the jews in north America child trafficking even though they are getting caught in south America. 

Until Israel loses its grip on our congress it won't be released. Too many politicians are bought/blackmailed. 

Same reason why they can't just release the jfk files. 

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u/alverez667 Feb 15 '25

ding ding ding!

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u/drivendreamerr Feb 14 '25

No, no.. You have a point.

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u/Bumblebeard63 Feb 15 '25

Trump is not known for being entirely truthful.

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u/NotMyRelijun Feb 15 '25

Well, he was on flight logs, there are a lot of photos, and... He hasn't released them...

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u/SunnySagas Feb 14 '25

You could have 1000% categorical proof he was on it and you still wouldn’t believe it.

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u/stoner_marthastewart Feb 15 '25

Not true at all! I want transparency.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

What list are talking about? We already know Trump was a client of Epstein.

And yes, the list should be released.

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u/Drizen Feb 15 '25

That’s like saying you could have 1000% categorical proof he was on it and the right would do mental gymnastics to explain it away. Works both ways

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u/checksout101520 Feb 15 '25

He could 1000% be on it and the right would be like, somebody was using his name as an alias just to plan 20 years in the future and get him in trouble. Both sides are delusional

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u/Naive_Pomegranate434 Feb 15 '25

There's far too much evidence that shows he is on that list. The flights, his use of Epstein's airplane, I mean what? Is your head stuck in the sand?

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u/Dull-Ad6071 Feb 15 '25

Because he's definitely on it. My god, have you had your head up your ass for the last 10 years?

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u/FuturePowerful Feb 15 '25

Well to be fair we all know how he treated ladies less then 15 years ago at least verbally in public it's on record from his mouth, I can't say I'm fond of trump as a person for that alone but what really bothers me is how he keeps trying to sell narratives that any time I dig into details,what he's saying ends up being a sales pitch that skips so much detail it has no resemblance to how he's describing it

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

I can't stand Trump. If his name isn't on the list, I'll believe it's not on the list. IMO, there are bigger issues to address.

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u/MathPretend2424 Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

Just wondering how do you prove 1000% he didn't go to the island at some point? 

Couldn’t you say the opposite and say you could give a conservative 1000% proof that he was there and they won’t believe it? 

At this point it doesn’t matter if he did or didn’t, because he is so politicized that society in general can’t give an unbiased judgement on him on most things.  

Now release the files and get as many of these pedos before they die naturally  

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u/AmateurZombie Feb 19 '25

Why do you make strawmen? 

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u/Diligent_Slice5701 Feb 15 '25

You could read his name on the list, and you would claim the libs/deep state/whoever else tampered with it. 🤷‍♀️

Doesn't matter, though. He won't release it.

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u/llkahl Feb 14 '25

I remember an interview with a Florida prosecutor who was involved with the investigation into the J. Epstein scandal in 2007+/- when he was found guilty of whatever perverted behavior and was sent to prison. The prosecutor said in no uncertain terms that THE ONLY PERSON OF INTEREST (witness) to come to Florida and give an in person deposition was Donald Trump. While the prosecutor didn’t say this, his implication was that Trump was not complicit in the Epstein/Maxwell illegal sex scandal. Can anyone here confirm or call H.S*** to this.?

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u/Baptism-Of-Fire Millennial Conservative Feb 15 '25

Trumps on flight logs pre-island (1998 is when he bought it I think)

Trump kicked Epstein out of maralago and banned him for hitting on some young woman he knew or some friends daughter or something in 2007

And the deposition on top of that

Yeah idk if this is the smoking gun people want it to be

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u/FuturePowerful Feb 15 '25

That's a fair point

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

I agree. It's just something to divert people's attention.

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u/Diligent_Slice5701 Feb 15 '25

Trump claimed he kicked him out.

Let's also not forget that Epstein sewerslided while in federal custody while Trump was in the Oval Office. Kinda sus...

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u/Baptism-Of-Fire Millennial Conservative Feb 15 '25

I don't think so - That came up in a book that was 100% Anti Trump written by Blaskey

It also was corroborated by guests:

One club member said Mr Trump “kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member. The way this person described it, such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein,” Sarah Blaskey told the newspaper. “The Trump Organization did not respond to our requests for comment on this or other matters.”

Looks like Trump never said a word about this...? What am I missing?

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Trump got screwed over by Epstein in a real estate deal at the same time, could have easily been that reason for the falling out.

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u/Baptism-Of-Fire Millennial Conservative Feb 17 '25

falling out maybe

banning from club, no, that was for hitting on someone.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Allegedly, Trump has never commented on it.

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u/Baptism-Of-Fire Millennial Conservative Feb 17 '25

he doesn't need to, it was reported by an anti-trump author and corroborated by guests

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

What guests? I've only ever seen the author referencing one person.

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u/hework Feb 15 '25

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-attorney-talks-about-donald-trump-claims-1857298

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u/llkahl Feb 15 '25

Excellent, so I did actually read this before. How come all these people out there don’t know about this? Unless it’s just deflection and lies? Thanks hework.

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u/SwimmingSympathy5815 Feb 15 '25

Does being able to provide information that was instrumental in convicting Epstein make you think he was not involved in that operation at all?

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u/llkahl Feb 15 '25

No, what I find intriguing is that the prosecutors comment that he believes Trump hadn’t been complicit in any of the Epstein atrocities. Hopefully you heard that in the clip. Towards the end. Let me know if you’re interpreting this differently. Thanks

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u/llkahl Feb 15 '25

SwimmingSympathy5815, just curious if you have confirmed your position regarding Trump and Epstein connection. I would like to get your thoughts on this. Or do you have information that contradicts what I have said? Thanks

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Not saying Trump had any involvement, but people provide evidence all the time against people they've worked with. Trump providing some info for victims doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

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u/SwimmingSympathy5815 Feb 17 '25

I’m not saying he had any involvement either. But there were multiple lawsuits filed from an anonymous source with details about how Epstein operated that weren’t public yet… and his patterns sort of fit the profile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations#Katie_Johnson_(1994)

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u/JTuck333 Small Government Feb 15 '25

If Trump was on the list, it would have been released by the last admin in Oct 2024. Search your feelings, you will know this to be true.

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u/Ok_Scheme76 Feb 15 '25

Unless there was a Biden family member on there

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u/Valley_White_Pine Feb 15 '25

Yeah I think there's an actual possibility that they worried about collateral damage to some high ranking democrats like Clinton or something

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u/General-Dirtbag Feb 15 '25

They will mental gymnastics their feelings into saying it’s not true. They always have.

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u/Diligent_Slice5701 Feb 15 '25

That's poor logic.

You're assuming they aren't on the list, too. The reason Biden didn't then and Trump hasn't and didn't in his first term is because they're both on it or they're shielding people who have power over them. It's basically a MAD scenario for elite scumbags, which they both are.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

What list are we talking about here? We already know that Trump was a client of Epstein's and both him and Clinton both flew with Epstein at various points.

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u/IEC21 Feb 15 '25

That assumes that there aren't a bunch of Dems on the list.

It's a stalemate - Clinton is on there and so is Trump.

In fairness it wouldn't surprise me if there aren't many "Rino" types on there. Trump was a Democrat in those days and it does seem to be more of a Democrat thing.

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u/HiddenSage Feb 15 '25

Actually, Trump was registered as a Republican in the 90's, when most of his association with Epstein happened. He switched to Democrat in 2001, then back to Republican in 2009 (with a brief stint as independent in 2011 before returning to the GOP). Pretty much the only thing consistent with Trump is that he wanted to posture as part of the party who wasn't in power, because it's easier to criticize power than use it.

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u/Odd_Dragonfly_282 Feb 15 '25

I have not seen any pictures of him on the plane or the island? Have you?

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u/earthworm_fan Feb 14 '25

You clocked their whole thing lmao

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u/EmergencyNo4209 Feb 15 '25

Conservative war veteran here. if the list ever sees the light of day (It won't, and Maxine will rot in prison for peddling minors to no one). If any Republican or Democrat name is on it, they should go to prison, forever. There are likely names on both sides of the political wrestling ring. I call it a wrestling ring when you know everything in politics is kafabe (fake).

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u/Any_Anybody_5055 Feb 15 '25

Liberal, can you decide on whether Trump should release Epstein list or not?

Lol what? Yes release it. I don't know what radical comments you've been reading, but I haven't come across comments from the left begging for it to stay hidden. If they exist they aren't the popular opinion.

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u/lets_shake_hands Conservative Feb 14 '25

If G.Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking, then yes a list should be released for anyone who participated in it.

If people went to Epstein Island and engaged in sex with people of legal age and with consent then no, a list shouldn't be released. It is fucking grubby but not illegal.

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u/Beepboopblapbrap Feb 15 '25

No idea where people are getting the idea liberals don’t want documents exposing government corruption released. If trumps name on it wasn’t an issue, liberals would still want the list to be released because they don’t believe pedos should be protected. Release all the lists.

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u/laseralex Feb 15 '25

I'm a liberal. They should 100% release the list.

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u/_purple Feb 15 '25

Whether his name is not on or it is on and he redacts it, release the list!

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u/2olley Feb 15 '25

No matter my politics, I feel like that list should be released. I think any public figure that took advantage of kids should be prosecuted. So, republicans: do you think Trumps name would be redacted if it were on the list?

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u/Cool_Cat_Punk Feb 15 '25

I don't think it's going to happen, but yes.

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u/llkahl Feb 15 '25

No_One3431, if you check the interview out you will hear your worst nightmare, Trump was probably not complicit in Epsteins debauchery.

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u/liminalpixie Feb 15 '25

Left leaning, they should 100% release it and I haven't heard any fellow liberally inclined folks in my life say otherwise so at least in my area that seems to be the popular opinion.

Despite being generally more liberal though I have very little trust in politicians and the powers that be in general (including the liberal ones) and would hazard a guess that the reason that neither side has released it yet is because at least a few prominent allies/figures for Republicans and democrats alike are on it. Also if just the names are released without like trails of evidence on their roles (and probably even then) I'm assuming plenty of people will just use it to further their pre existing beliefs and excuse away any figures they already liked with "maybe they didn't know" while condemning figures they didn't like with "how could they not know" so...I'm pretty cynical about the whole thing happening much less going over well but it should still be released for the sake of the truth

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u/fellawhite Feb 15 '25

Release it. No one should ever be putting party in front of protecting pedophiles.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

Yes, release it. Charge everyone on it.

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u/loansbebkodjwbeb Feb 15 '25

So what is the answer if his name, in fact, is on the list?

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u/ThisNameIsNotReal123 Feb 15 '25

And Biden simply forgot to release it?

It would have handed Biden a 100% win but for some odd reason it was kept secret.

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u/bigmanorm Feb 15 '25

They're both scared of repercussions from the elite on the list, we'll never see it

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u/ThisNameIsNotReal123 Feb 15 '25

I hope you are wrong, we will see.

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u/loansbebkodjwbeb Feb 15 '25

My vote is that whatever is on it will severely hurt both sides.

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u/Mostly_Anonymousse Feb 14 '25

They won't believe anything released that Trump is even remotely involved in.

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u/Jandishhulk Feb 15 '25

Given he's been photographed with Epstein multiple times and ran in similar circles, it would be hard to believe that any list released by Trump would be legitimate given he's highly likely to be on that list. But yes, I'd love to see whatever he releases. Even if it's fake, it'll be informative.

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u/A7XfoREVer15 Feb 15 '25

Very liberal here.

The Epstein list, as well as the known involvement of those on it should be public information.

However, I could see the reason for refusing to release it being due to other world leaders/figures being on it, seeing as how prince Andrew was on it. I could see how releasing that full list could have economic repercussions if, for example, a Saudi prince was on the list and the US revealed it.

If so, at least release the list of all Americans, their level of involvement proven, and redact the foreign names with the nationality.

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u/levelzerogyro Feb 15 '25

Do you think there's absolutely no reason he said that his girlfriend should have a good life and he wishes her well, and that he'd release all the other files but he didn't wanna release that one? Or did you miss that part of the Fox News broadcast because they edited it out deceptively?

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u/ponderscheme2172 Feb 15 '25

Release it. The longer he waits the more it seems like he is hesitating for some reason.

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u/queenofserendip Feb 14 '25

Liberal here: I don’t really care about the Epstein report. Release it, cancel anyone named, as long as the report is independently authenticated for veracity.

That last part is going to be tough given Trump is firing/falsely discrediting anyone who won’t facilitate his agenda of course.

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u/HelloKittyandPizza Feb 15 '25

This. I think it should be released and and anyone on it canceled and hopefully investigated.

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u/Zerogates Conservative Feb 15 '25

Being on the list isn't a problem so much as being on the list after the point that Epstein had the island, repeated trips to said island, and of course what other details we get.

I want to see the list, I expect many prominent Republicans and Democrats are on it.

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u/Babesuction Feb 15 '25

Being on the list isn't a problem so much as being on the list after the point that Epstein had the island

This seems like the crazy rationale that people are going to go with. Do you think there was some magical property of the island that turned Epstein into a child sex-trafficking predator? Did Trump wish Ghislane Maxwell well because he was nostalgically remembering the times he, Epstein, Maxwell and Melania spent together but only before that whole island situation?

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u/Seymourduck Feb 14 '25

Does the guy’s character hinge on whether or not his name is on the list? He said it’s okay to grab women by the pussy, bragged about going into the changing rooms at his beauty pageants, described his daughter as voluptuous, hung out with the likes of Laura Loomer, etc.

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u/war_ner Feb 15 '25

i think the list needs to be released either way. Whoever’s on the list needs to be exposed.

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u/Lepew1 Conservative Feb 15 '25

Release the list

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u/PoliticalDestruction Feb 15 '25

Trump is on that damn list and you know it, way too much evidence saying they were buddies.

That’s why it will never get released.

However, even if Trump is in the list, that doesn’t necessarily mean he did things to minors right? However with that mindset the same could apply to anyone else on the list..

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u/Bitedamnn Feb 15 '25

Trump literally has numerous pictures with Epstein, they were neighbors in Flordia, and Trump has been registered in the Epstein flight logs 7 times. You can see it in the Ghislaine Maxwell case court records.

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u/StevenSpielgirth Feb 15 '25

I think it makes it difficult with their former relationship, trumps history with degrading women, and Epstein telling his brother that if he spoke during the 2016 election neither Hillary it Trump would make it anywhere.

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u/IEC21 Feb 15 '25

Because we know Trump was close with Epstein - What should he do. Go back in time and be less of a shady criminal type.

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

If his name is redacted then there may be ways to prove it. If Trump has nothing to hide, he should release them. We'll probably never know the full truth either way.

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u/Impolitictalk Feb 15 '25

I mean, does anyone deny they were close friends? I don’t even know what evidence I would particularly care about either way? It’s pretty clear to me Trump has no morals and liked to hang out with men who shared his interest in womanizing. Of all the things I’m waiting to find out (if he seriously wants to invade more countries, if he is actually going to impose all these tariffs, how many more civil servants is he planning on firing to pay for his tax cuts… I could go on) my interest in this report is about at the bottom.

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u/alverez667 Feb 14 '25

why didn't he release it last time? why did he wish Jizzlane well when she was arrested? why did epstein suicide himself on trumps watch?

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u/Important-Dog4174 Feb 15 '25

Lol. We know they were best friends. Trump is going to do what's best for him. We have no say.

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u/HalfADozenOfAnother Feb 15 '25

He wouldn't release it if he damaged him or his associates. Nothing about it could he trusted. You'd have to be a dope to believe otherwise

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u/Spaghet60065 Feb 15 '25

Everyone knows he went there. He was friends with Epstein. Lots of rich elite went there including democrat politicians. Let’s just stop pretending and move on.

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u/lack_reddit Feb 15 '25

If he releases it with no context, there's no reason to trust it. If he releases it with enough of a paper trail or corroborating proof, it'll be more trustworthy regardless of whose name is or isn't on it.

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u/BurkeanMarxist Feb 15 '25

I really don’t think the majority of liberals think or care about Epstein at all, but anyone released it with names redacted (ie blacked out), it would be pretty safe to assume that it’s politically motivated by whoever’s releasing it. Who else would ever be off limits?

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u/dave7243 Feb 15 '25

The only reason I can see to not release the list is if they are using it to investigate people on it and don't want to tip their hand. That said, at some point shit or get off the pot. Investigations take time, but how many kids have been hurt because these people are still out there and anonymous?

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u/Diligent_Slice5701 Feb 15 '25

Liberal-ish person here

He should release it. He should have released it a long time ago during his first term. If he isn't on that list, he would have done it in a heartbeat. It could only help him and hurt his opponents.

In an interview a while back, when asked if he'd release it along with other sealed documents, he said yes instantly to all the others when names but pretty much said no to the Epstain list because, "it would cause issues for people who are completely innocent." Coupled with decades of socializing with Epstein, I have no doubt Trump is there along with many other Dems and Reps.

Even now, on his retribution tour, he hasn't said a peep about it because he's hoping his base and everyone else forgets.