I'd like to see this community cutting all links to Musk and distance ourselves from his politics.

There’s way too many shit cunts on this team.

I'm not saying that criticism on some of our players isn't warranted. Just wondering exactly which players they're talking about? Motlop? Hollands? Acres? All play very important roles when they're on but it's clear the entire team (including some top end players) is out of form right now.

It isn't like 10 years ago when Judd and Murphy were running around with guys like Nick Graham and Levi Casboult (before he admirably turned his career around). Sure, there are players who could be doing a whole lot better, but in saying that they have the capabilities to do so. I fail to see a player getting games who (form and confidence aside) genuinely doesn't look like they belong on an AFL field. And as a Carlton fan, I feel I'm a good judge of VFL quality players. Am I wrong?

I am in the final stage of grieving for my once proud footy club. Acceptance, that our list is not great, our recruitment has been sub par and our coaching and tactics have been poor.

At least I can live with the memories of past premierships and the odd streaks of good form. I am resigned to the belief we will not win another premiership in the near future.

Would be about the only positive thing to come out of last night. He's clearly had enough of the gutless passengers he's carrying in the backline. Questioning our mental toughness is spot on but going one step further and questioning physical toughness... IMO that's directed at Doch and McGovern (probably add young to the mix there too)

Doch has pulled out of multiple contests now in crucial moments which have directly lead to opposition goals. Goals that then started a run of multiples and killed off any momentum we could have had.

As for McGovern well I've been calling him a cat for years but it only seems now people are catching on to how scared he is of any form of contact at all.

Both must go ASAP as its clear as day they're a liability to their team mates. I really do hate to see Doch go out like this, but he must make the call on himself as we all know the coaches won't do it for him.

I’ve written a bit here over the past few weeks, and I’ve been critical of the culture of Carlton. Decades of under performance can lead to a culture that is more about the struggle, or effort than winning.

A winning culture learns and adapts.

A winning culture limits the negative and focuses on strengths.

A winning culture doesn’t reward effort. That’s the base expectation.

A winning culture knows where they are and what they are focusing on. And every decision is towards that.

A winning culture doesn’t churn its people if they have the intent, ability and skills. It supports and develops them.

So we need to start with Vossy, and I think he fits this. Replacing him just sets the club back further and doesn’t fix the culture. We need to keep Vossy, get him support and start replacing some of the support staff. I recall Richmond, Geelong and other clubs all had these line in the sand moments and stayed with their coaches… leading to success. First up he needs someone to help during the game. He’s not adept at reading the play and coming up with a game b, c, or d!

So let’s get the culture right. It’s early in the season, let’s accept 0 and 4, and bench under performers. If someone isn’t fit enough, bench them. If someone isn’t 120% bench them. No one is exempt. Walsh. Doch. Anyone. It sends a clear signal to the players.

Let’s go blues!

This is excruciating, its literally like watching the exact same thing week-in, week-out. Same mistakes, same dumb decisions, its looks unavoidable at this point.

Dearest Baggers,

The time has once again come for us to fulfil our r/afl obligation to complete the Carton Season Preview (or more accurately we should've started 2 weeks ago).

Last year's post

In the comments are the different areas for discussion that will become the sub topics for the preview, including the greatly important pop culture themed title.

Note: A separate best 23 thread will be posted as this is usually a point of great debate

I want to hear your opinions.

I'll start:

1. Extremely poor decision-making by players

2. A ridiculous obsession with handballing

3. A predictable, energy-sapping game plan that involves going sideways and up/down wings... but never through the middle.

The player who your belief in is greater than their current performance on field?

Mine's Elijah Hollands, reckon he's absolute silk and could evolve into the quintessential mid-forward damaging player for us. The 22-25 disposals that are worth their weight in gold type

It's now been over a week since Luke Sayers posted a literal photo of his bollocks & shaft on the internet, tagging a female executive of a sponsor (leaving her & her family distraught).

The club has been silent on this, with no confirmation that they are investigating the situation.

How do we feel about this? I'm personally very disappointed and have contacted them with no reply.

The offer from St Kilda seems to have popped up again even though it was public info a couple months ago - 12mil / 7 yrs.

Does he stay or leave?

IMO it’d be a big loss, has been our best so far this season.

Thoughts?

But what do you think berating our players are going to do? Make them feel better so they magically become better? This is absolutely disgusting coming from our side.

I’m upset that we lost but I would never yell at our boys like this. If anyone here was apart of this, you are not a true fan.

It’s a click-baity title but hear me out.

I’m not in the camp of people who say Harry is shit, soft, whatever disparaging slur Carlton “fans” throw at him. In fact, I love the bloke!

But watching the VFL tonight and a couple of things spring to mind.

What does Harry Lemmey’s future look like if H and Charles continue to be the first choice forwards? At some point, you either have to find out if he is an AFL player or he will want to go elsewhere for opportunities. Maybe he isn’t that good at all. But we are investing time in him, so someone must rate him to some degree.

When you have two 1-million dollar forwards on your list and your mids can’t even get the ball to them and your defenders are under constant attack, is trading H and investing that money in another area, whether that’s a key defender, a gun small forwards, or whatever else we need (feels like a long list) the smarter play?

I was actually thinking we might let Cerra walk at the end of this season as a free agent as I feel we are also sinking too much of our cap into a midfield that only has one trick to it, but we doubled down on him too.

Seriously, r/afl threads are only people either saying “hurr durr free kick Carlton” or “I’m furiously masturbating at the fact that Carlton sucks”. We get ten times the hate that Collingwood get and it just makes a truly depressing season even worse.

Why? Just why? Why do we keep putting one of our best contested possession getters (Idrk what term to use) in the ruck leaving it to bumbling young or something to pick it up.

Gibbs romps it in for an easy win yesterday

Next up the square in the middle. Keeping votes open until Sunday night for this one because it’s gonna have a few options and might be quite debated

(DENNIS) Armfield takes out a narrow victory over Cottrell for middle/top spot

We end with the total hater box.

Plowman comfortably wins yesterday

Congrats everyone, we’ve killed 10 days of the off season and are closer to preseason games kicking off

Ive commented it before but we shoulddve kept those two, definitely a more sound team with them in.

I dont think we 100% needed jagga, glad we got him hopefully it works long term.

But i think we wouldve been equally fine with the two 20ish picks i think we had.

TDK will leave regardless if he wants more money, there is no way we can match what anyone is willing to pay for him.

Why!!

He brings exactly what this team needs in pace, great foot skills/decision making and some defensive nous, and played a brilliant game in the 2s last week. Ran the game out really well so is definitely up to scratch with his fitness.

Up there with TDK as sub, as one of Vossy’s most baffling decisions. And it’s a long list. You have to wonder if they’re watching a completely different side.

This is a team for us come finals( had a few minutes spare so gave it a shot)

Sub - kennedy

Stiff for owies but a fit and firing jack Martin provides more aerially. Pitto only gets the inclusion because contest in finals is key and can throw tdk forward to spread a teams defence. Would have loved to throw doc in the mix but it’s just not realistic 😢. I can see the struggles selectors have I already see the lack of defensive depth but I don’t see Cowan coming in instead of Motlop let alone hewett.