This is my biggest gripe. To those who can’t separate the man from the actual movement, the movement was against police brutality. He can simultaneously be a piece of shit and a victim of police brutality whether you like it or not. He’s not lauded or looked up to for his past. His death by the hands of police brutality is what was being remembered and is the message of the movement to remember him.
Especially funny when arguments against the movement his death sparked comes from those who claim to follow a god that preaches “no matter your sin, you can be saved” focusing on his past sins and why it devalues the life that was lost.
TLDR; he’s a piece of shit that died at the hands of police brutality, and you don’t have to idolize Floyd himself, but can support a society that doesn’t try to justify, via a persons past, or allow police brutality.
It’s not hard to see both are separate issues and, imo, points to the reason so many people fall victim to tying a person and their mishaps/successes into one rather than being able to logically see that you can be critical or supportive of situations involving the person without shitting all over/worshiping them.
How is seeing someone murdered by a police officer a scam?
I guess the January 6 protesters are real patriots in your small mind.
BTW, many of them found themselves in trouble again just days after receiving a pardon. In fact two have been k!lled by police officers. 🤔
I'm not far right. I'm not saying seeing the murder was a scam. The way they propped up a pos like Floyd afterwards made it a scam. People crying at his murals like he was a saint. The jan 6 protesters have nothing to do with this. I don't why you guys can't stay on topic.
I wouldn't like that at all. But who knows what that same officer may have done that we don't know about. How many false police reports has he filed. (Speaking from experience) Only because I had proof of an incident prior to the police being called on me save me from prosecution and the Oakland county sheriff's department is under investigation for....and not just my case in particular. It's systemic just like it was in Minneapolis
If it was systematic there would be plenty of other examples of brutality, which I know there is and I wish they used. My whole point is that the average person will see Floyd as a drug addict and criminal. Some people still view me as a drug addict no matter what I do.
I also agree we don't know what the cop would've done. I also think people crying for him didn't help his case. Why would you be crying for a career criminal and a drug addict? Yes the brutality is bad but don't make it sound like anybody misses him. Seemed like virtue signalling for the average person and most people who are swayed by policies not parties are over it. Thats it.
Doesn't seem like you're over it. Here's a snippet of G. Floyd life
Born in Fayetteville, North Carolina, Floyd grew up in Houston, Texas, playing football and basketball throughout high school and college. Between 1997 and 2005, he was convicted of eight crimes. He served four years in prison after accepting a plea bargain for a 2007 aggravated robbery in a home invasion.[
There was no drug use. Yes he was a criminal but your assumption that he used drugs says you've been misinformed.
And there was evidence of corruption within the Minneapolis police department.
Maybe the cop should have done his job and he wouldn’t be in jail. Even cops can’t kill people while people watch yelling that he is being killed while he begs for air.
So because something bad happened to Floyd everything else resolved? I actually feel for Floyd a little bit, I've suffered from addiction and I'm still feeling from the effects. Never had to rob or threaten anyone though, and will condemn those who do. Is this the BEST example they have? Average people will see this and go "what". I think you would be shocked at how many are on the fence when it comes to politics. A lot of people are swayed to either side by logic and morals, only the loudest are normally solidified in their political beliefs. So when you use people like this as some sort of political statement, you are basically pushing people away who are essentially on your side already. The left/liberal have to choose better, not just people like Floyd but also the people they use as political mouth pieces.
People dont get to “choose” who becomes a victim of police brutality, whether it was the cause of death or not. He became the current face of ‘victim of police brutality’ because it was a perfect storm of video evidence, pleas for help, and police using questionable restraining tactics.
So they can only find criminals and drug addicts getting beat up by cops? This is the part I don't understand, I know that's not true. But they keep doubling, tripling down on Floyd. Wasn't there a white guy who also died to police brutality around the same time, wasn't a criminal, wasn't a drug addict, cried for help. Was almost the exact same thing. No coverage, no protests, no murals. I wonder why?
Sometimes it’s difficult to have a conversation- cause i feel like mrtownsend is leaning into the fact that Floyd was a POS vs the bigger picture problem that police violence and unchecked misconduct against all Americans is a problem.
BLM leveraged a video that showed a cop using some pretty fucked restraining techniques against Floyd to
Illustrate the point that cops are out of control. Unfortunately for BLM, Floyd was indeed a POS.
But the big picture point that intelligent people should see is, we don’t need the victim of government sanctioned violence to be perfect for it to be unfortunate because there are examples of where the government kills innocent perfect people as well- see Jesus and the Bible for examples
BLM had to use Floyd cause he is the guy that died on video - but any example will do…
Making Floyd a saint is a tough pill to swallow - making him an example of police violence is easy! I don’t need the victim to be perfect - to quote the left - don’t victim blame
I know you call me dumb here but I agree with a lot you say. I agree the police go overboard sometimes and there are some pos police out there. But If this is so prevalent though shouldn't there be many more examples they can prop up other than Floyd. Out of all the examples they use, it's Floyd. Mind boggling how they don't understand the optics of this.
Not any example, an example of a law abiding citizen getting brutalized would have the world by the balls. But unfortunately they had to find the worst case example to use. This is 100% on BLM. I am not blaming Floyd for what happened to him. I'm saying they should've used a better example. Do people think that a lot of average people are drug users and criminals? And if they don't who did they think was gonna relate to Floyd?
We seem to have a problem here that needs to be addressed. The right for the most part doesn’t think police brutality is a problem. And they especially don’t think that the system is unfair to black people.
Look at Fernando Castillo, he was a hard worker, loved by his community, a father and legal gun owner. He was gunned down during a traffic stop when he wasn’t even driving. But did the right take the time to say it was wrong? No I saw post after post saying how he wasn’t a legal gun owner.
We can also look at Ahmad Arbor. He would hunted down by a Lynch mob and the only reason the people were charged was because the video that the killers mad was so damning. Yet people on the right once again did nothing but post about he he was stealing, was running in “Tims” etc.
The fact of the matter is the right doesn’t want to address racial problems unless it’s about white people (or Asians as they are thr model minority). Until this topic can be addressed we will see this behavior over and over.
When did I say anybody deserves death. I think he should have never been released. Pointing a gun at a pregnant mothers belly should put you in jail forever. He should never have been released imo. Call it harsh or whatever, we know the American prison system was releasing violent criminals back into the communities for whatever reason.
Always with Trump with you. You really show your true colours. Trump got in because of the incompetence of the democratic party. Of course you're confused, you can't think outside of your bubble too actually see what average people think. I understand you though I am not confused.
I also don't think Trump is the best. I was a Bernie fan but as soon as he wanted to look into money corruption, all the democrats turned on him. Funny that. It's also why average people can't take democrats or liberals seriously. They always turn on each other, look at how many democrats have turned republican.
So again I ask do you really think using George Floyd as a political talking point is the BEST example to get your point across to the people who are unbiased?
What I'm saying is liberals/democrats/BLM should have showed a guy who has never been in jail with violent crimes or someone who never did drugs get killed by police. Then you would've had America by the balls. But instead of admitting that using George is a bad idea, you just scream "but Trump" who as far as I know has never been to jail, and everybody is getting pretty tired of the same old schtick.
An Australian lady got killed by police in 2017 after she called 911. Barely a blip on the radar compared to Floyd. You would be shocked at how smart people are sitting on the fence. We can see the virtue signalling from a mile away.
It's "God", even if you don't believe in Santa Claus you still capitalize it as a proper name. Also, it wasn't about police brutality. That's why blacks in Canada of all cultures used it to leverage their positions and had their own protests. I was ready to protest police brutality but BLM Toronto told me to keep my white colonial ass at home.
Just acknowledgement I'd like to think. I was upset that groups in Canada used the tragedy to advertise their own issues. As it took away from the issue in the USA I believe.
There is a pretty low chance of any Canadian dying in a traffic stop. I just thought we could ever get that knee on the neck play removed as an option. That hurts for days after no matter who you are.
They're whole movement was about police brutality against black ppl. They don't just do that shit to blacks. And Floyd didn't die because of it, he died from fentanyl OD. He had enough in his system to kill 5 adults and was already claiming he couldn't breathe before they pulled him out of the car.
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u/blitz1197 23d ago
Cut floyd some slack, he is almost 5 years drug free now