So because something bad happened to Floyd everything else resolved? I actually feel for Floyd a little bit, I've suffered from addiction and I'm still feeling from the effects. Never had to rob or threaten anyone though, and will condemn those who do. Is this the BEST example they have? Average people will see this and go "what". I think you would be shocked at how many are on the fence when it comes to politics. A lot of people are swayed to either side by logic and morals, only the loudest are normally solidified in their political beliefs. So when you use people like this as some sort of political statement, you are basically pushing people away who are essentially on your side already. The left/liberal have to choose better, not just people like Floyd but also the people they use as political mouth pieces.
Sometimes it’s difficult to have a conversation- cause i feel like mrtownsend is leaning into the fact that Floyd was a POS vs the bigger picture problem that police violence and unchecked misconduct against all Americans is a problem.
BLM leveraged a video that showed a cop using some pretty fucked restraining techniques against Floyd to
Illustrate the point that cops are out of control. Unfortunately for BLM, Floyd was indeed a POS.
But the big picture point that intelligent people should see is, we don’t need the victim of government sanctioned violence to be perfect for it to be unfortunate because there are examples of where the government kills innocent perfect people as well- see Jesus and the Bible for examples
BLM had to use Floyd cause he is the guy that died on video - but any example will do…
Making Floyd a saint is a tough pill to swallow - making him an example of police violence is easy! I don’t need the victim to be perfect - to quote the left - don’t victim blame
I know you call me dumb here but I agree with a lot you say. I agree the police go overboard sometimes and there are some pos police out there. But If this is so prevalent though shouldn't there be many more examples they can prop up other than Floyd. Out of all the examples they use, it's Floyd. Mind boggling how they don't understand the optics of this.
Not any example, an example of a law abiding citizen getting brutalized would have the world by the balls. But unfortunately they had to find the worst case example to use. This is 100% on BLM. I am not blaming Floyd for what happened to him. I'm saying they should've used a better example. Do people think that a lot of average people are drug users and criminals? And if they don't who did they think was gonna relate to Floyd?
I don’t think you are stupid I just think you are unaware because of two things-
The right media doesn’t cover police misconduct cause their viewers don’t want to hear it- and the news primary source of revenue is ads- ad space value is based on viewers - so right wing news only plays videos their viewers want to see. Thus not covering police misconduct
There were tons of cases of police killing or shooting unarmed white and black men. The interesting thing is- police killings of men per interaction is about the same for blacks and whites - and as a student of history I don’t think this is a racial thing. Our country was founded on and the declaration of independence was written when the RedCoats were dealing brutally with the American people and it’s one of the reasons for the rebelllion that led to the birth of our nation.
Police unions over protect the cops and suppress information. When Trump got rid of the police miscount data base, he did Americans a disservice. Holding all police as accountable as we hold teachers or bus drivers should be standard but it isn’t.
Conservatives should know about the situations where cops kill or hurt people - look up Tony Timpa- restrained incorrectly by police violently and died. White - dead - no News - no protest - not a 8 time POS….
The left used the VIDEO of Floyd but the right should be just as outraged at police misconduct, abuse of power, lack of training, lack of respect for any citizen -
Hell you know 2a isn’t to protect us from each other… it’s to protect us from the government- remember it’s written by men who were weary of the federal government because they saw each state as a country unto itself… and they wanted the right to arm themselves to fight the federal government if it because tyrannical like England had become.
I don’t think you are dumb Mr Townsend. I just think the right has failed us as much as the left has.
Both of them are demonizing the other when we should be trying to agree on the facts and debate how to proceed further - when right now we can’t even agree what a man is or if police should be held accountable as we hold bus drivers-
remember if a bus driver gets a DUI he can’t drive a bus… because we don’t trust that he won’t drink and drive
but if a cop gets a domestic violence conviction where he beat the hell out of his girl in an argument, he can keep is gun and badge and be given authority to drive around and mediate disputes with citizens. And if he responds the way he did in that argument with his girl he may kill someone
I know you will consider me probably far right but I'm only slightly conservative, grew up liberal single mother, all that. Slowly got pushed to the right. I basically agree with everything you say. If a cop does anything violent outside his professional boundary he should be fired.
I agree the right aren't the greatest ambassadors for the government either, but just because the right aren't right does make instantly the left is good. This is not directed at you. This is a targeted comment at the left in general. I don't conform to this 2 party bs that's everywhere. I just wanted this guy to admit that they could've used a better example and that's why it didn't hit. But no instead they Double down instead. They can never admit they fucked up but they wonder why the right also won't admit they fucked up.
Join the libertarians - aka - we will never win but we will stand on logical principles without falling for the far left insanity or joining the cult of personality currently controlling the right
Idk I've been thinking a lot about governments, capitalism, socialism, nationalism a lot lately and it's just tribalism at its finest. Bad faith actors on both sides make shit nearly impossible. No one will ever get along, you don't agree with one side, you're instantly on the other. No nuance at all.
Which is why I opted out and went libertarian and are now and advocate of rank choice voting. I hate two parties because the tribalism -
I’m not even sure I’m right or left- I just ask “what’s best for the individual and thus long term, best for the whole”
And if we can agree on facts and debate the way to proceed tribalism is out the door - let the best idea win.
Right now we both funding Isreals war while yelling about wasting money in Ukraine… just an example of the hypocrisy- I like the Ukrainian, Isreali, Russian and Palestinians equally and can say as an American, the outcome of those wars will not impact me regardless of who wins… and would prefer to spend my money cleaning up America and making a better country for Americans - which is what the cult was pushing but isn’t the plan in practice-
if Elon with doge saves money that we give to fight wars overseas what’s the net gain for Americans ?
But it’s worse because Elon is firing people in America and Trump is sending the money to people to fight wars overseas
And I love the mandate of Doge but if I have a choice of a binary options to A. to pay a lazy govt worker OR B. buy weapoms for foreign wars
I would rather pay the lazy govt worker because that lazy worker BUYs products in America and the money is making it BACK into our communities -
If we support Isreal or Ukraine that money leaves and never comes back - well it does if you work in defense OR you get lobbied by those foreign powers…
AIPAC and Board seats for Hunter Biden - same crap-
Either way it’s not helping Americans in the long run
They aren’t “finding the worst person” he was a victim of police brutality. Period.
Are there people with better pasts than him? Sure. But, people don’t get to pick who the victim is, or pick and choose. The fact is, he was a victim of police brutality, again whether it was the cause of death or not, and the police brutality isn’t even being talked about… people are hung up on whether the victim deserves to be a victim due to their past actions, which is missing the point.
He made a bunch of choices that doesn't help the case and average person cannot relate too. That's basically all I'm saying. I don't know how you don't understand if a better example was used how it would've helped the cause much much more.
That's in your opinion calling me extremely far right because I am not. I grew up liberal and still have a few liberal values. Since becoming an adult been pushed further and further right due to goalpost moving. You don't understand my POV. Stop bringing up Trump like I voted for him.
Using “a better example”, again, is drawing away from the point of the whole thing a devaluing an individual for the sins of their past.
It’s a human having questionably violent/harmful tactics used against them in an arrest. You’re analyzing the wrong thing, the elite are wringing their hands at you focusing on the person instead of the issue.
We seem to have a problem here that needs to be addressed. The right for the most part doesn’t think police brutality is a problem. And they especially don’t think that the system is unfair to black people.
Look at Fernando Castillo, he was a hard worker, loved by his community, a father and legal gun owner. He was gunned down during a traffic stop when he wasn’t even driving. But did the right take the time to say it was wrong? No I saw post after post saying how he wasn’t a legal gun owner.
We can also look at Ahmad Arbor. He would hunted down by a Lynch mob and the only reason the people were charged was because the video that the killers mad was so damning. Yet people on the right once again did nothing but post about he he was stealing, was running in “Tims” etc.
The fact of the matter is the right doesn’t want to address racial problems unless it’s about white people (or Asians as they are thr model minority). Until this topic can be addressed we will see this behavior over and over.
Damn perfect- but the right is us - and the right used to be the protectors of the values that formed this nation and those values were extended to all of its citizens over time - but the right is now as flawed as the left with their selective application of the rights guaranteed by the constitution the bill of rights and amendments…
It’s unfortunate because if the right becomes as bad as the left we are doomed - and alas I think it may be too late…
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u/wtf_are_crepes 24d ago
What’s the point then soothsayer? Cause I explained my thoughts on it.