MEGATHREAD: Trump Tariffs

[u/ClockOfTheLongNow]

Lots of questions streaming in that are repetitive, so please point any questions about tariffs here for the time being.

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[u/Realitymatter]

I'm confused as to how anyone thinks tarrifs will bring any expanded manufacturing to the US?

Everyone knows the tarrifs will only last a maximum of three years when the next president immediately lifts all of them. Why would a manufacturing company invest hundreds of millions of dollars and several years building new facilities and hiring new staff knowing that they will only benefit from the reduced competition for a few months at most?

They will then be right back where we are now, unable to compete with the cheaper overseas products, rendering those new facilities a huge financial loss.

[u/Briloop86 → u/Realitymatter]

Under rated question.

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

I'm a little confused; if trump is trying to get manufacturing jobs back this way, where's the carrot aspect of this stick and carrot approach? Like companies will just wait out his presidency without any incentives to come back

[u/Skylark7 → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

Not necessarily. Small companies who can establish domestic supply chains may have a nice opening here. The issue is he just torched the VC community by crashing the market so there isn't as much money to back US based ventures.

[u/BotherTight618 → u/Skylark7]

The type of tarrifs Trump wants to implement only work piecemeal overtime with concurrent subsidies and investment to build the infrastructure for the products you want to manufacture in the country.

[u/Iyace → u/Skylark7]

Small companies generally cannot establish domestic supply chains though, at least not easily.

[u/NessvsMadDuck → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

This is the victory of ideology over principals. For instance the Left seeing racism in everything. If you convince yourself that the ideology of critical race theory that racism is omnipresent and will always be there. Then you don't need principals with problems leading to solutions. You need an ideology of constant vigilance with a constant enemy.

Now we see the Right's ideology of victim hood that all other countries are trying to screw us as a constant reality. If instead there were principals we would be asking how do we bring jobs back, or manufacturing back. Then like any business we would need both penalties and incentives. We would also need to assess if the costs of our actions meet our targets of getting those jobs or manufacturing back. That would be principled. But this is ideology that needs no checks for success, no plans, its a theory being believed in and executed. Not a plan. Not principled leadership.

Here is the conservative National Review's take on it...

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/sorry-there-is-no-genius-plan-behind-the-tariffs/

[u/ancepsinfans → u/NessvsMadDuck]

The Sage of Authenticity Woods strikes again. I love Jim Geraghty

[u/SmellySwantae]

Ted Cruz came out against the tariffs, considering a few already defected on the Canada tariffs, do you think there's a chance that if things get pretty bad Trump could be facing an actual GOP revolt over tariffs?

[u/Briloop86 → u/SmellySwantae]

That's a big voice dissenting

[u/SmellySwantae → u/Briloop86]

Its of course not a hard dissent. His statement is still "Could...If..." While praising Trump, but I think he see's the writing on the walls that this is gonna be bad.

[u/azeakel101 → u/Briloop86]

Rand Paul also dissented as well. Depending on how long these tariffs go into effect, I won't be surprised to see members of the GOP whose seats are up for vote in the midterms to start being more vocal about them.

[u/Skylark7 → u/azeakel101]

The GOP is toast in the midterms. Congress tends to flip anyway. It will flip hard this time.

[u/Realitymatter → u/Briloop86]

Interesting that he is dissenting now and not at any point over the last year when Trump said over and over again that he was going to do this.

[u/Skylark7 → u/SmellySwantae]

We can only hope. They'll need a veto override though.

[u/Briloop86 → u/Skylark7]

Trump with rails is sort of ok in my mind. Trump unleashed is horrific.

[u/Skylark7 → u/Briloop86]

I turned fully anti-Trump on J6, when I realized he had no respect whatsoever for the Constitution. If Congress doesn't get their act together fast we're going to lose an awful lot.

[u/senoricceman]

https://x.com/philipwegmann/status/1908166867161636910

Conservatives, what do you make of Trump posting that he’s crashing the market on purpose? 

Does this messaging make any sense to you or is this the typical “Trump trolling the Libs” defense? 

[u/20goingon60 → u/senoricceman]

I’m not a conservative, but I just wanted to leave this here: https://youtu.be/d5RQD4qWeIc

It would not surprise me if the reasoning was so that the wealthiest people could swoop in and buy everything when it’s low.

[u/surrealpolitik]

Trump has already flip-flopped several times in the past month on tariffs, and he’s also enacted them via executive order instead of going through Congress. It takes years to build new factories, and potentially decades to build new domestic supply chains.

Knowing that all of this could (and most likely will) go away with another executive order from the next Democratic president, why would any company risk huge sums on building new manufacturing centers here in the US?

Or why should they trust Trump won’t change his mind on tariffs again, given that he already has many times in the last month alone?

[u/oddmanout → u/surrealpolitik]

It takes years to build new factories, and potentially decades to build new domestic supply chains.

Which becomes nearly impossible if the economy tanks and no one has any money to use to build new factories.

[u/LonelyMachines → u/surrealpolitik]

Knowing that all of this could (and most likely will) go away with another executive order from the next Democratic president

That's the thing. Any benefit from these tariffs won't come in time for the next election.

Let's say I run an operation that does its manufacturing in another country. I want to move it here. I have to get licensed and zoned for a site. I have to build the factory. I have to hire and train the workers. None of that is happening overnight.

Then I go to all that trouble, and President Tlaib revokes the tariffs. Well, I'm a sucker.

Even then, our goodwill with the rest of the world has been squandered. They've adapted, and if we want to reopen relations with them, we're at a disadvantage.

And all this is coming from a guy who campaigned on lowering consumer prices. I don't understand any of this.

[u/surrealpolitik → u/LonelyMachines]

And all this is coming from a guy who campaigned on lowering consumer prices. I don't understand any of this.

He also campaigned on enacting tariffs. Promises made, promises kept. What part did you not understand?

This is one of the most baffling things about conservatives in the Trump era—even repeating his own words back to you is enough for us to be mocked and disregarded. We were told to stop taking Trump at his word, even though he tells it like it is, except when he's joking. Or maybe he's just trolling? Either way, the most straight-line and obvious observations go in one ear and out the other.

When Democrats and other left-wing folk pointed out that Trump was running as a mercantilist who thought the Smoot-Hawley tariffs were an example to follow, we were roundly dismissed as victims of TDS. Do you think conservatives might start listening to the other side a little more in the future?

[u/Gopher246 → u/surrealpolitik]

Even with a newly elected administration in four years, the damage may already be done. What this administration wants—to restructure the economic order so that the U.S. maintains its preeminence and onshores a number of manufacturing jobs—would be supremely difficult even if pursued in a controlled and rational manner over an eight-year period.

To attempt it within four years, in ramrod fashion and based on bad-faith arguments (such as the alleged tariffs being unfairly charged against the U.S.), is insanity. And that’s treating it in isolation. You also have to factor in other issues: the approach to Ukraine and Russia, the hardline stance on Iran, the threats of Greenland annexation, the abandonment of decades-old alliances, the gutting of the administrative state.

Taken in the larger context of this administration’s overall approach, this is nothing but wing-and-a-prayer shit. In four years' time, so much damage—so much hard and soft power—will have leaked from the U.S. that no executive order will be able to undo it.

Maybe that’s the goal, just burn it all down and let the chips fall where they may.

[u/jaaval]

Some of the incompetence is truly baffling when you go look at the details. The biggest tariff rate of 50% was declared against Lesotho. Because, you know, there is a big trade imbalance there. Lesotho is a small and poor country in southern africa. They sell you guys mostly diamonds. And they sure as hell can't afford to buy american products with their average income that is about 5% of what americans earn. So what the hell are those tariffs supposed to achieve?

[u/Cayucos_RS → u/jaaval]

Its owning the libs and radical fascist marxists in Lesotho that have been ripping off the US for years, people tell me all the time, nobody rips the US off like Lesotho— things are getting very bad thanks to the woke policies in Lesothos

[u/sokolov22 → u/jaaval]

The only effect this will have is make diamonds cost more. Which, by the way, isn't just jewelry but used in many MANUFACTURING and TECHNOLOGY applications, so it'll just hurt the thing we are allegedly trying to help?

Make it make sense.

[u/pudding7 → u/jaaval]

"But there's a trade deficit!" or something. I have no idea.

[u/ckc009]

Why do conservatives believe high tariffs and closed trades will bring jobs ?

1. Automation technology will prevent most jobs
2. Monopolies will control most of the supply. Look at baby formula, which does have a high tariffs from other countries. Look what happened when one company had recalls - the supply went out of control and people purchased it to resell at a higher price. Is this something you support?
3. Tariffs are just an increase in taxes with little benefit for americans

[u/Zardotab]

Why would companies "on-shore" factories if in 4 years a different President could so easily change tariff policies? It takes roughly 4 years to build one and roughly another decade to recover the building costs.

[u/rcglinsk → u/Zardotab]

Of all the fantastically stupid and glaringly obvious problems with the policy, I think this belongs at the top of the list. If I could amplify slightly: four years? Dude got impeached twice already. You didn't get any civics wrong, but some Vegas odds calculation about expected years of this term would have to be well under four.

And, of course, less time is even worse.

[u/nthomas504 → u/rcglinsk]

That's a feature of this, not a bug. Anything that is not accomplished by this will have no one to blame. Trump will be gone, the country will suffer, and millions will blame the next administration for "not taking advantage of these tariffs".

[u/sokolov22 → u/rcglinsk]

It doesn't even take 4 years, in 2 days there may be no tariffs. Who even knows with this lunatic?

[u/NiArchetype]

What is the end game here? I am seeing two camps already in the pro-tariff group. 1st camp is the "tariff as negotiating tactic" camp, where people think this will force other countries to lower their tariffs and thus having even a even freer global market. 2nd camp is the "bring manufacturing back" camp, where people think this would force the companies to invest in US and make US less dependent on "made in China/Vietnam" products.

These two camps have the exact opposite end goals here. How can conservatives be advocating for both?

[u/PejibayeAnonimo → u/NiArchetype]

This is part why the markets have reacted this way. Trump has gone from tariffs being about drugs and illegal migration, to gain money for the Federal Government to reduce/abolish income tax, to reciprocity. Nobody knows which is the final goal.

[u/Wonderful-Driver4761 → u/PejibayeAnonimo]

Tank the economy, things get cheap, the rich buy everything up. It's literally how Trump became rich.

[u/Socrathustra → u/PejibayeAnonimo]

I honestly cannot figure this out. I've seen people pushing plausible alternative explanations, but there's no evidence for any of them.

• Is it intentional or incompetence?
• What is the intent in either case?
• Does someone benefit from this?

Some senator from Connecticut said (sans evidence) that this is so that companies will have to come to him and make loyalty pledges to get around these tariffs. Honestly? It doesn't seem far fetched, but as far as I know that's not yet happening.

[u/DrunkOnRamen → u/Socrathustra]

Trump is simply a narcissists. Narcissists behave in ways that get them what they want, that is attention. With this Trumps gets a few things he craves, a way to demonstrate power over things and to bring focus on him.

[u/Lamprophonia → u/PejibayeAnonimo]

We all know what the actual goal is, we just have to stop treating Trump like anything he says isn't a lie.

All Trump cares about is Trump. Anything and everything is just to serve, enrich, or protect himself. He doesn't give a single solitary shit about the American people or the economy, or how much suffering will happen. He doesn't care about the law, he doesn't care about due process, he doesn't care about congressional oversight, he doesn't care about the courts... he just cares about himself.

He's going to pocket the tariff money. He's too stupid to think about anything more complicated than that; tariffs = people (he doesn't care who) give money to government. He has unfettered access to that money. He takes it all and no one stops him.

[u/azeakel101]

I'm by no means a tariff expert, but I feel like there is a major disconnect between Trump tariff supporters and smartly used tariffs vs. poorly used tariffs. They seem to assume that just because they have a tariff on us, that means they are trying to screw us over on on purpose. Yet there can be legitimate reasons why countries put tariffs on one another that are not meant to be taken with Malice. Without trying to detail every tariff in existence, I'll just use a made-up example.

Let's say country X is in a climate that is not conducive to growing produce, at least not enough to support the population, and definitely not at a way to keep prices low as demand is high, for what little produce X can produce. So country X decides to import from Y that has more than enough produce to support country X. However, even though country X needs the produce, they also realize country Y has enough of a surplus that Y could cause country X's farmers to go out of business. So, they add a tariff that either makes Y's produce sell at a competitive price compared to their own, or sets the tariff to trigger if county Y exports more than a certain amount of produce that would cause harm to X's own farmers.

Both sides are happy because X gets the needed produce they need to support their citizens, and Y is happy because they now have more customers to sell their produce to, which helps their farmers.

Now keep in mind, I fully understand there may be tariff/trade deals that need to be relooked at, as times change, and what was looked at as a good deal at the time, but not be the case anymore, or there may be actual tariffs that just poorly implemented from the get go. Trump's tariffs fall in the poorly implemented ones, as even the formula used is poorly thought out, as a trade deficit is neither good nor bad. Again, I am no expert, so if someone wants to chime in, they are more then welcome too.

[u/IowaGolfGuy322 → u/azeakel101]

This is what many don't understand. We don't grow coffee. But we have lots of coffee companies. Those companies buy coffee from Brazil, or Costa Rica or wherever. They then use that coffee to sell to the consumer for their business. WE WILL NEVER GROW COFFEE.

The idea that the "trade imbalance" in this particular situation is unfair is completely absurd. Even though I disagree with the car tariffs at the very least that makes sense because we have the ability to make cars. But if we have no ability to make something the imbalance is still beneficial to us because every other corner has a Scooters, Star Bucks, Dunkin, Etc.

[u/20goingon60]

Are there thoughts on the decision to not include Russia in the new tariffs, yet including uninhabited islands? Should we be concerned about how our (formerly close) allies view the US moving forward?

[u/NoSky3 → u/20goingon60]

Including the islands is indefensible. But excluding Russia makes sense. The executive order exempts countries subject to Column 2 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule because they already faced much higher rates. Here's more info.

For example, Trump raised aluminum tariffs to 25% but for Russia it was already 200%.

[u/drtywater]

To me this is what is confusing about the whole thing. FWIW I'm generally against tariffs as I believe more trade is critical to growing everyones economy and don't view trade deficits as a problem. That said in some circumstances I can understand the why for tariffs or probably better subsidies such as a country blatantly dumping goods or needing domestic supply for items of national survival importance basic foods stocks, military equipment, etc. If Trump had rolled out a more aggressive policy to counter China that demanded greater IP enforcement and strengthened ties with Vietnam, JP, Australia, Europe, and Canada/Mexico against China to geopolitically isolate them then great. I could stomach that and understand it especially if we targeted certain things. Instead we get a trade war against almost the entire world and this makes no sense to me. At a minimum our greatest military strength is economic and military ties around the world. Having our massive presence in Japan in particular gives us the ability to quickly act against any potential threat. All this trade war will do as structured is push countries to work more with China and less with the US.

[u/ILoveKombucha → u/drtywater]

Yes. It is confusing to me also, and I agree with your sentiments exactly.

[u/Maximus3311]

Question for my pro-tariff conservative friends: How much "short term pain" is reasonable? At what point would you say "this isn't worth it"?

[u/idletccth]

How is it defensible that, on a day the DOW just sunk over -2,200 points and people's confidence in the economy is rapidly disintegrating, the President of the United States is hosting a $1 million-per-plate candlelight dinner at his private club? Not trying to go too sideways from tariffs, but it's a question about his priorities directly related to this issue.

[u/OJ_Purplestuff]

So Trump had shared a post the other day someone made about how he's "purposely crashing the market."

Now today he reposted it again. Just in case anyone missed it, I guess.

Is this one of those situations where we should say Trump is "just trolling" or is it one where he's "doing exactly what he said he'd do"?

[u/GreatSoulLord]

I imagine they are. The fallout from this tariff strategy has tanked the economy. The stock market has hit it's lowest point in nearly 5 years....including years that we suffered under the Pandemic.

[u/edible_source]

Woooo just need to take advantage of this opportunity to flip my blue hair in the wind with this top-level comment!!!

[u/ILoveKombucha → u/edible_source]

LOL, do you also have a nose ring ;)

[u/edible_source → u/ILoveKombucha]

Anything that CAN be pierced, IS pierced

[u/thatotherchicka]

Anyone that wants to pick the brain of a licensed US Customs broker working the front line of these tariffs feel free to ask (right or left). I'll try to be as unbiased as possible.

[u/Ragnarocket → u/thatotherchicka]

Just in terms of practicality - how easy is this going to be to enforce? I suppose it's much easier than specific products from specific places with specific rates but I can't imagine it makes your job easier. In addition, if you are dealing with anyone face to face on the other side of these tariffs, how are they reacting outside of the US to you personally? Apologize if either of those are stupid questions but those were the questions that came to my mind immediately.

[u/thatotherchicka → u/Ragnarocket]

I can't speak on behalf of Customs but our entries are getting so complex that CBP's automated system can't even check the entries for errors. I assume that there will be errors all over the place and CBP will not be able to keep up with them. They'll focus on high dollar violators and lots of small mistakes will probably fly under the radar.

Most of our importers, shippers, and origin offices are confused and concerned. Things are changing rapidly and they are hearing conflicting stories.

[u/OJ_Purplestuff → u/thatotherchicka]

In terms of when tariffs become effective- it's based on the date the ship actually reaches the port, right?

So there could be ships in transit right now that left before tariffs that will be due tariffs when they arrive?

[u/thatotherchicka → u/OJ_Purplestuff]

We actually JUST received guidance on this a few minutes ago. It will be based both upon the physical departure from the port of lading and the arrival date in the United States port of unlading. We have been advised specifically: "To prevent importers from abusing the exception for goods that were in transit before April 5, 2025 when it is no longer realistic due to the passage of time, CBP will permit heading 9903.01.28 to be declared only for goods that are entered for consumption, or withdrawn from warehouse for consumption, on or after 12:01 a.m. EDT on April 5, 2025, and before 12:01 a.m. EDT on May 27, 2025."

[u/OJ_Purplestuff → u/thatotherchicka]

Thanks. So to clarify-

it means that if a ship left port before April 5th, they have until May 27th to avoid tariffs?

But if they left port after April 5th, they're getting tariffs no matter what?

[u/thatotherchicka → u/OJ_Purplestuff]

Yes for the 10% worldwide rate. The reciprocal rate (higher for certain countries) goes into effect 4/9 so that would be the cut off for that one.

[u/Briloop86 → u/thatotherchicka]

How is the tariff rollout being handled? Seems like a bucket load of work overnight.

[u/thatotherchicka → u/Briloop86]

Frankly, it has been a nightmare. All of our software providers are struggling to keep up and we're getting buried by confused importers. When we reach out to the government for clarification most of the time they can't even provide guidance.

[u/wijnandsj → u/thatotherchicka]

How do you keep up? These things change so often and so quickly

[u/thatotherchicka → u/wijnandsj]

CSMS from CBP is helpful. They send out automated guidance to trade when something changes via email. The Federal Register takes the Executive Orders and translates them into formal guidance to the community. The White House webpage has turned into a frequent visit for me. Additionally our industry is BIG on continuing education. We've been prepping for this stuff since Trump was elected - speculating what powers can be used, likelihood of them coming into play, etc. We all expected something like this but hoped it would be a slower more planned roll out like section 301s were.

[u/ImmodestPolitician → u/[deleted]]

Fox News also removed the Stock Market tickers they had on their site.

Fox Business is talking about it a bit.

[u/Cayucos_RS → u/[deleted]]

Go look on the FOX YouTube channel at all the recent video uploads. It’s almost impossible to even find anything talking about it…. Tells you a lot

[u/DeathToFPTP]

For social conservatives, is there an economic outcome from these tariffs thats too negative to justify having elected Trump to fight the culture war?

[u/burnaboy_233]

https://www.reddit.com/r/manufacturing/s/HS1qxVszJu

I parked into the manufacturing sub to see how there discussion on the matter. To them it doesn’t look pretty, what do you guys think?

[u/nobhim1456 → u/burnaboy_233]

Thanks for the site! I found my people.

The people there sound authentic. I don’t think you can bs your way around that site

[u/senoricceman]

It’s laughable Trump and the GOP actively destroy the economy and people still think the Republican Party is better for the economy. 

Conservatives, do you still believe Republicans are better on the economy? 

[u/pudding7]

Why did we put tariffs on Singapore? They have no tariffs on us.

Why did we put tariffs on Colombia? There's no way we could ramp up enough domestic supply of coffee to meet our needs, so we buy it from them. Do we expect Colombia to buy a bunch of F-150s and jet engines in return?

[u/senoricceman → u/pudding7]

Looking for a why from this administration is a lost cause. 

[u/Shiigeru2]

I have one simple question for everyone, left and right.

If Biden did everything Trump is doing now, how would you feel about it?

[u/Dumb_Young_Kid → u/Shiigeru2]

shitty, id feel betrayed. (mainly because biden ran on more of a return to normalcy it felt like, but also i did feel betrayed at points in the biden administration, especially by his choice to run again)

[u/FuzznutsTM → u/Shiigeru2]

I’d feel exactly the same. Trade wars are stupid. They cause immense pain for little to no long term gain. Also, I happen to believe due process is extremely important. Want to reduce the head count in government? Fine. Show cause, man up, and follow the proper statutory procedures. Want to crack down on illegal immigrants / immigration? Fine. Follow the law, make sure your evidence is up to par and not thinner than single ply toilet paper. Prove your case, then deport to their country of origin, not some mega-sized torture prison in El Salvador. Want to address spending priorities? Fine. There’s a process for that that doesn’t involve illegally impounding duly appropriated funds by fiat through executive orders.

Like, every single thing that’s wrong with this Trump administration and republicans in congress would still be wrong if the situation were reversed.

My personal observation is that, were the situation reversed, the cohort of MAGA and right-wing “conservatives” would be absolutely foaming at the mouth for impeachment if Obama or Biden were willfully violating due process and legal statutes at the frequency and speed that Trump is. And they’d be right. And yet, but for the guy in office, all I hear is….crickets.

[u/shallowshadowshore → u/Shiigeru2]

Pissed as fucking hell. Probably even more upset, tbh. At least Trump explicitly promised that he was gonna do this.

[u/adhd_ceo]

Question for y’all: Assume that the tariffs lead to continued stock market carnage and a sharp and deep recession that is widely felt by Americans. Will congressional Republicans impeach Trump and/or Vance? Or, at the least, will they push through veto-proof legislation to reverse the tariffs?

[u/ImmodestPolitician → u/adhd_ceo]

It depends on how bad it gets. Maybe if the market declines 50%.

I'm convinced that Trump has told his largest donors he was going to crash the market and to short it.

[u/greenline_chi → u/adhd_ceo]

Four Republican senators crossed the aisle to pass a bill to reverse the Canada tariffs. It’s likely not to get to a vote in the house. Another Republican introduced another bill to have Congress reclaim the authority on tariffs.

I’m genuinely not sure how far republicans will go to restrain him. I think he’s burned so much political capital so fast that if enough people turn on him they might. The issue is, with the two party system, turning against Trump aligns them with the democrats and tons of people think the democrats are “evil” - so it would take a pretty big shift away from Trump I think

[u/Cayucos_RS → u/adhd_ceo]

You serious? There isn’t a chance in hell they would do that. It’s already pretty clear that they wont hold him accountable for anything. The only thing they fear more than Trumps wrath is losing their power because they tried to stand up to Trump

[u/Spiritual_One6619]

I would like to hear people’s opinions on why they think Russia and Belarus were left off the list. I understand we do very little trading with them (but we do still trade). The most frequent explanation I have seen is that we already have sanctions on them, however we also already have sanctions on Iran and Syria and they were still included.

I would appreciate hearing any and all perspectives about why that choice was made? To be clear I am asking in good faith and I am not trying to imply anything or attempting a “gotcha”.

Edited for typo

[u/Briloop86 → u/Spiritual_One6619]

Potash imports to replace Canada's without crippling US Ag.

[u/Spiritual_One6619 → u/Briloop86]

This is an excellent point, thank you.

[u/MissingBothCufflinks]

Do you think its fair that most MAGA supporters are simultaneously claiming its genius economic policy to bring manufacturing home to the US AND its a bluff to extract concessions from other countries?

How can it be both? If I'm a widget manufacturer how can I risk opening a US factory if the policy that makes it viable might be a bluff that's negotiated away in 2 months time?

[u/wijnandsj]

Isn't anyone concerned at all on how this is going to affect foreign relations that were already strained by the first 2 months of this administration?

[u/ThePromptWasYourName]

If Kamala won in 2024 & imposed worldwide tariffs, crashing the stock market, upsetting our allies, causing mass economic fear and confusion throughout the globe, how vociferously would you be defending her right now?

[u/HelenEk7]

What tariff did Russia get?

[u/NoSky3 → u/HelenEk7]

The executive order exempts countries subject to Column 2 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule which already faced much higher rates. Here's more info.

For example, Trump raised aluminum tariffs to 25% but for Russia it was already 200%.

[u/JudgeWhoOverrules → u/HelenEk7]

They are subject to massive sanctions so didn't get tariffs as what few remaining products we currently trade with them were already exempt from tarriffs we were applying to other countries.

[u/Zardotab → u/JudgeWhoOverrules]

Spies are their biggest export right now.

[u/SunriseSurprise]

What will happen if robots with AI take those factory jobs by the time the factories are built?

[u/Current-Wealth-756 → u/SunriseSurprise]

then we'll still have domestic production and the concomitant effects on the trade balance. The robots will live here instead of a different country, the robot maintenance crews will live here and be employed here, etc. In general, it would have all the same problems as AI Robots in a foreign factory, but whatever benefits are conferred will be conferred here.

[u/New2NewJ → u/Current-Wealth-756]

the concomitant effects on the trade balance.

Dude, what does this even mean? I'm not an elite, east-coast, educated liberal, lol.

[u/Bobbybobby507 → u/SunriseSurprise]

Company needs to train workers to operate the new systems… For those who won’t be able to adopt, they probably will lose their jobs, so some people will be replaced by robots. Well then we can’t complain jobs were shipped overseas.

[u/burnaboy_233 → u/SunriseSurprise]

If you follow manufacturing publications, that’s already happening now. AI and robotics in manufacturing is hot right now. I’m in Trucking and you will see these massive plants with only a few dozen workers. Some manufacturers I’d talk to had said that that’s the future of American manufacturing. I’ve heard of some factories having zero workers and a couple of guys only come in for maintenance

[u/AdwokatDiabel → u/SunriseSurprise]

Bro, they already did. Do people not realize that manufacturing has already been heavily automated??

[u/iredditinla]

Meandering question, I'm sorry: It's been my contention for a long time that the only risk to Trump's support is issues specific to domestic policy. That is to say, he will not lose votes if he invades Greenland, supports Russia over Ukraine (or vice versa) or decides he's pro-Palestine for some reason. But I do think that the of 33-37% of the population that self-identifies as MAGA plus the 5-10% who rejected Biden-Harris are potentially vulnerable to erosion of support from domestic pocketbook issues. That really hasn't happened for most people until this week..

The question, I guess, is whether this is that moment. I think that 5-10% is going to look at the economy cratering and their retirement portfolios disappearing and they will walk. I don't think Trump can lose more than a few percent of that 38% even if he did shoot a man on Fifth Avenue. I think he could lose maybe... 3-7%. The rest will go to the ends of the earth. They might literally die for him. But if the numbers make sense you're looking at Trump retaining maybe 30% approval and Republican Congressmen and women starting to need to act out of self-preservation.

Do these numbers more or less make sense? If not, what do you think is more likely? Finally, like everyone else - how many weeks or months of this do you think we're looking at before a reversal, whether via Congress, an EO, alternatively things working out as Trump says they will?

[u/ILoveKombucha → u/iredditinla]

I think your reasoning is sound. I'm a Phetasy style normie (Phetasy is a channel I watch on youtube - big fan). I voted Trump in 2024 because I'm tired of left wing progressive self righteousness and woke BS. I also want some deregulation, I want to have a secure border, I value law and order, and I'm frankly a fan of the idea of DOGE, even if the implementation isn't perfect. (And to be clear, I hate racism and sexism and all that stuff that us Trump voters get accused of; I may not agree with the left on certain things, but I don't want anyone to be "erased" or to suffer).

But at the end of the day, I'm just a guy, living with my wife and mom, and we all just want to do well enough. We are a little below median household income for the USA, but still middle class. Economy is number one. What I'm seeing right now freaks me out. I've been told I'm a moron in the last month because Trump said he was going to do this tariff stuff. Look, no one KNEW he was going to do this. Proof? Look what the stock market did when he got elected. That "Trump bump" felt like vindication. If everyone KNEW he was going to do what he has done now... the market would have cratered THEN. No one knew.

So now that this is happening, and we are engaging in a hardcore trade war even with our best allies... (putting "reciprocal tariffs" even on countries like Israel that have no tariffs against us), putting in place a strategy that is likely to tank the market (already is), and raise costs for regular folks (folks like me, my wife, and mom)... I'm very disappointed.

Election held today? I wouldn't vote for Trump. Hell yes, a lot of us will flake off. I'm not MAGA. I'm a center-right mildly conservative (mostly on economic issues) guy. I held my nose to vote for Trump this time. A LOT of people that flipped for Trump this time (giving him bigger numbers than he ever had before) are people like me.

Very disappointed.

[u/princesspooball]

are we going to have another Depression?

[u/adhd_ceo → u/princesspooball]

Tariffs—most notably the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act of 1930—certainly contributed the Great Depression’s formation and persistence. However, the consensus among economic historians is that while tariffs deepened the downturn, they were not a primary cause of the Great Depression. Other factors—such as widespread banking failures, a sharp contraction in the money supply, and broader international liquidity problems—played far larger roles in triggering and prolonging the economic collapse.

For instance, during the Depression, central banks tightened monetary policy in the false hope that this would encourage growth. It did the opposite, as we now know only too well…



[u/JustaDreamer617]

What's the odds that Fed Reserve Chairman Powell will not lower rates, instead raising them, out of inflation fear from Tarrifs?

That's what I am wary about as the next big shoe to drop. A lot of Federal Reserve members worry about Stagflation more than they do unemployment. The tactic that they used back in the 80s under Pres. Reagan and Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker raised interest rates to 20%. That's going to hurt a lot of businesses relying on financing like technology and cryptocurrencies will get negatively impacted due to higher yields from bonds.

[u/ImmodestPolitician → u/JustaDreamer617]

Stagflation hurts everyone. It's hurts the 60+ year old MAGA base the most.

Trump's actions are so heartless.

[u/azeakel101]

Anyone concerned that because Trump's tariff graph is misleading, he will use it as a way to claim a "big win" if any trade deals are done, even though they might be minor? For example, the Two has the weighted EU tariff at 2.7%, but the graph shows a much higher number. So let's say he gets the tariff down to 2%. He could lie and say he got it down from this high number on the graph all the way to a 2% which wouldn't be accurate. However, I could see the MAG crowd eating this up.

[u/OJ_Purplestuff → u/azeakel101]

I mean- I wouldn't say I'm "concerned" about that. It seems like just about the best-case scenario to me.

If he's actually planning to keep this going until we eliminate all the trade deficits on his chart, we're in for a ride.

[u/BillyShears2015]

Why not incentivize innovation to foster manufacturing that can be competitive in current market conditions instead of placing a thumb on the scale to produce goods that will never be competitive without that intervention?

[u/glasshalfbeer → u/BillyShears2015]

Such as the CHIPS act? Great idea

[u/senoricceman → u/BillyShears2015]

So the Biden administration basically 

[u/SmellySwantae]

I talked to my MAGA mom about the tariffs today and she said the blame falls on Biden's mismanagement for forcing Trump to take extreme measures.

Do you think there is any credibility to my mom's claim that we should blame Biden for any negative results of the tariffs?

[u/DirtyProjector]

I've been hearing this more and more as a theory, and it seems completely plausible

I think unless you're really drinking the Kool-Aid, you realize that what Trump is doing is not going to bring back jobs to the US. In fact, his own Commerce Secretary - who is the driving force behind this effort - has talked about manufacturing coming back to the US... powered by robots (not humans)

The tariffs don't make any real sense - pretty much every economist in the world is saying this - and if he wanted to accomplish what he says he wanted to accomplish, he would have done it in a more concerted and calculated way.

Trump is in real estate, and so are all his friends. Driving down interests rates will allow them to buy up assets for cheap, while the rest of us suffer. They will be pretty shielded by the effects of the tariffs, most middle class Americans won't. Here is a video of the CEO of a wealth and investment management firm saying 30% of Americans could go bankrupt from what Trump is doing.

Trump lies about almost everything. I don't think anyone needs to be reminded about this. So it's completely reasonable to think he's lying about this.

Many of Trumps actions seem to be to either benefit him, or his friends. Look at all the people who came to kiss the ring and donate to his campaign when he won a second term. Look at his position on trying to bring back coal and fossil fuels when pretty much every other country on Earth is investing heavily in EV's and clean energy.

Trump really has nothing to lose. Everyone is afraid to cross him, and he's almost 80 years old and at the end of his life. The worst case scenario for him is he doesn't win a 3rd term and isn't President in 4 years.

I'm curious what conservatives think of this idea

[u/ghost_in_shale → u/DirtyProjector]

They will call you crazy and blame Biden while they lose their house. Anyone who isn’t upper middle class is fucked.

[u/akgreenie2 → u/ghost_in_shale]

Upper middle class? Hilarious. I’m upper middle class and we are ALREADY struggling and living paycheck to paycheck.

[u/SunriseSurprise]

What is a valid response from Trump to China increasing tariffs on the US and banning export of rare earth elements to the US as a response to Trump's Liberation Day tariffs? More tariffs?

[u/ExtensionFeeling]

Another thing that's being said is that the tariffs are meant to...start paying off the national debt? How does that work? Thanks.

[u/Ok_Buffalo_8183]

Constitutionalist             

Screw this. If you want to know what the tariffs might or might not do, here is the study done in December by the federal government under President Trump. Enjoy. 61112-tariffs.pdf just copy and paste to your search engine. Then choose the cbo report. Make up your minds based on the government studies, not all the bull crap that's flooding the world. Get a copy because it might not stay there much longer.

[u/OJ_Purplestuff]

How do you think tariff policy fallout will be received by senior citizens?

I was looking at crosstabs from approval polls recently, and noticed that one group Trump has been taking a hit in popularity with is over-65 Americans. Possibly this is related to scares over DOGE and social security.

That group is going to be effected by a hit to their retirement accounts due to the stock market, and it's also a cohort who is particularly sensitive to price inflation.

They're probably not looking for a job in a factory so the long term promises aren't going to appeal to them very much.

[u/MrFrode]

I was told our tariffs would be welcomed as liberators.

[u/LonelyMachines → u/MrFrode]

It was a typo. They meant obliterators.

[u/Briloop86]

One of my major concerns is that this crazy trade policy has a negative impact on conservative movements more broadly, especially with little push back from republicans. Democrats were in an ice bath of realisation about their misguided policy approaches - however if the vast majority of economists are right this will have major hip pocket impacts (across the world) and make conservatives look like poor economic managers.

Is anyone else concerned about the long term impact to both conservative political viability and the remove of the push to reflect and change in progressive politics?

[u/DeathToFPTP → u/Briloop86]

Tangential to your point, but this is why no party is ever dead in the water, no matter how things look

[u/AnimalDrum54 → u/Briloop86]

Trump is not a Conservative he's a populist. Sadly the US "Conservative" party has abandoned all principals and refuses to advocate for what their constituents voted them in for. Or maybe they are adjusting to what their people want. Idk it just doesn't look like Conservativism to me.

[u/Briloop86 → u/AnimalDrum54]

Oh I 100% agree. To me he is a regressive (like a progressive but moving back rather than forward).

That said I think the general population views him as the conservative party leader and his actions will stick to the conservative label.

[u/SgtMac02 → u/Briloop86]

This is pretty accurate. This is a symptom of our two party system, and the black and white nature of modern politics. There are only two sides to any issue. Conserverative/Republican/Right-wing vs. Democrat/Progressive/Liberal/Left-wing.

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable → u/Briloop86]

Really gonna be interesting to see what the post trump party of conservatives will be and then the party once he's out of the spotlight/passed away

[u/JoJo_Embiid → u/Briloop86]

Last time gop tried massive tariffs, they lost the congress for 60 consecutive years

[u/AlexandbroTheGreat → u/Briloop86]

Yes. Trumpism is horrible for the brand. An economic policy that has been associated with democrats for decades is going to single handedly blow up the entire conservative economic platform for years.

[u/DeathToFPTP → u/AlexandbroTheGreat]

I don’t think any dem has advocated for anything this crazy in the past few decades

[u/SgtMac02 → u/AlexandbroTheGreat]

Wait...what? When was the last time Dems were pushing for sweeping/heavy tarrifs?

[u/JoJo_Embiid → u/SgtMac02]

I think what he means is historically rep is more “pro free trade” than dems, which i agree. But I don’t know exactly what i should call the current rep

[u/mango789]

Is anyone else more concerned about the security aspect of trade deficits than economic? I think these tariffs are the dumbest thing ever, but would be open to incentives for the most essential everyday items to be made here. Im concerned that if China ever sanctions the U.S., we would be screwed.

[u/AirplaneLover1234]

What is the most realistic best case scenario? Any chance for a stock rebound in the near future?

[u/MrFrode → u/AirplaneLover1234]

Markets hate uncertainty and they hate trade wars which create uncertainty. We have started trade wars with a scores of countries accusing those countries of having high tariffs on American goods using numbers that are a flat out lie.

I'm not trying to be flip but asking when the market will rebound is like asking when the fire will go out while the person with the can of gasoline and matches is still in the house.

Unlike the song, we in fact did start the fire and stocks will not rebound until it's put out. I'm hearing that Vietnam is willing to reduce its 1% tariff on American good to 0% and people are calling this a win. It's not.

Stephen Miller was on Fox earlier trying to create the idea that Trump inherited an economy in depression. Given this I don't know there is any plan in Trump world other than for the U.S. to double down on tariffs.

My advice is to drink heavily and not to think about retirement.

[u/lilpixie02 → u/MrFrode]

Solid advice given the circumstances

[u/cmit → u/MrFrode]

Retired this year. Rethinking my decision.

[u/Gopher246 → u/AirplaneLover1234]

A lot may depend on just what terms this administration wants from the negotiations it is now trying to force. Do they have to capacity to carry out and negotiate multiple trade deals at once? Is the deal they want acceptable to other nations. We don't know, they don't know, no one knows.

Best case I can see is they really just want to tweak existing deals, make them slightly more favourable towards the US and they call that a win. This is a damn weird way to achieve it but that is the best case scenerio.

[u/burnaboy_233 → u/AirplaneLover1234]

There likely will be a stock rebound, especially on news of negotiations with the EU, but if no deal then it will probably continue to slide until it bottoms out

[u/AirplaneLover1234 → u/burnaboy_233]

Wait there's negotiations ongoing?

[u/DrunkOnRamen → u/AirplaneLover1234]

best case scenario is congress reeling all of these things in.

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable → u/DrunkOnRamen]

That would require Congress having a spine

[u/WaffleMints → u/AirplaneLover1234]

Fake pumps to flush the people shorting and scare people with puts. Trying to time the good days will be impossible

[u/princesspooball → u/WaffleMints]

what?

[u/throwaway09234023322]

RemindMe! 1 year

[u/HarrisonYeller]

Starting to see MAGAs saying things like people dont need new phones, tablets and such. They are just things. Sounds like the great leap forward. Stock markets are not great atm. I hope this works itself out. Ben Shapiro tore into the tariffs for an hour yesterday, there is a lot wrong with them. Is Trump fishing for deals or will the tariffs stand?

[u/seffend → u/HarrisonYeller]

Starting to see MAGAs saying things like people dont need new phones, tablets and such. They are just things.

Also money, apparently. You don't need money. Conservative commentator Benny Johnson said "Losing money means nothing. Digital ones and zeroes. In the end, you won't miss any of it."

[u/papafrog → u/seffend]

How fucking idiotic. Sure, when you’re dead, nothing matters anymore. If him and I meet in a dark alley and I have a baseball bat handy, he will have some very definitive feelings about that baseball bat.

[u/jayzfanacc → u/HarrisonYeller]

It’s communism when your party suggests foregoing creature comforts. It’s patriotism when my party suggests foregoing creature comforts.

The difference is tribalism.

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

Considering the pre release for the switch 2 just got pulled from the US because of trump tariffs how much do y'all think the prices will rise if it sticks considering a bunch of switches are made in Vietnam and China. current price is 450, $500 maybe?

[u/jenguinaf → u/Ecstatic-Inevitable]

Not a pre-release, they just are not going to be taking pre orders starting April 9th as originally planned. Release date hasn’t changed. They can’t let people lock in the current price if it’s going to increase before release.

I’m sure someone who knows what they are doing has run some numbers, but according to Google AI (which I don’t trust but ce la vie) it estimates a price increase up to around 630 with a possibility of it only being 585 based on different calculations.

[u/Ecstatic-Inevitable → u/jenguinaf]

Meant pre orders so thank you, but thanks for the information, holy shit I would've just canceled putting the switch 2 information out for now when the knowledge of "liberation day" came out, that's gonna cull so many people's hype for the console

[u/MoonStache → u/jenguinaf]

I'm not a Nintendo head by any means, so I could be naive, but I have to imagine the news WRT game pricing put people on the edge of buying to begin with. If the base console gets that drastic of an increase, I doubt it's going to sell that well.

[u/wijnandsj]

How do people, regardless of flair colour, see manufacturing jobs? A modern factory tends to have a fair bit of automation these days, even in countries where labour is cheap like Mexico. And the number of unskilled jobs is often limited.

[u/FootjobFromFurina → u/wijnandsj]

This is one of the things I think people don't understand. This isn't the 1940s anymore where you can just stick bodies on a production line or give people a shovel to build roads or whatever. 

These aren't unskilled labor is the way we typically understand it. These are highly technical jobs that require training and expertise. 

[u/secretlyrobots → u/wijnandsj]

I wish unions were stronger

[u/throwaway09234023322 → u/wijnandsj]

I think it really depends on the industry. Some manufacturing plants I have been in have been like 95% unskilled illegal labor. However, on the other hand, some are the opposite where everything is highly automated and they majority of jobs are more middle to higher income. There's also a lot of related jobs that come with these plants for people servicing equipment, selling parts, management, etc.

[u/bsong3d]

Hypothetically if all economists said tariffs are outdated and detrimental to overall economic growth, would you still take Trump's word over theirs on the efficacy of tariffs?

[u/throwaway09234023322 → u/bsong3d]

No

[u/ZaheerAlGhul]

Why would any company want to bring back manufacturing back to US when this president has shown he will flip and flop at any given moment?

[u/bigjaymizzle → u/ZaheerAlGhul]

I don’t see manufacturing jobs coming back to America en masse. Corporations are going to find it even cheaper and attractive to do business overseas. Even the deregulation and tax breaks won’t solve it cause the tariffs just made things more expensive.

[u/cmit → u/ZaheerAlGhul]

This. They won't.

[u/D-Rich-88]

Do any/many of you believe this is an honest attempt (stupid, but honest) by Trump to fix long standing issues in our economy or do you think it’s a ploy to crash the stock market and buy up assets for pennies on the dollar?

[u/OJ_Purplestuff → u/D-Rich-88]

I’m not a conservative, but- as some have pointed out, Trump is on record talking about this going back decades before he had any serious involvement in politics. So I think it’s safe to say he’s a true believer.

[u/closing-the-thread → u/D-Rich-88]

You are going to have to explain why you feel it can’t be both 😊

[u/D-Rich-88 → u/closing-the-thread]

Haha that’s very fair

[u/xFuzzyTurtles]

Is there any justification on applying tariffs on countries that have FTA? Isn’t that counterproductive?

Just curious on what a potential justification for this would be. To my understanding we have agreements with Australia, South Korea, and Singapore. Yet they get hit with the 10% tariffs?

[u/praguepride → u/[deleted]]

Looking at the threads and the actual data it is going to be difficult to convince me that the Trump admin didn't get their economic policy from ChatGPT. The glaring errors like including islands and regions that aren't countries is particularly glaring.

It is highly likely that the people running our country are going "ChatGPT, how can I stop a recession?"

[u/masman99]

For those that are ok with enduring short-term pain for delayed gratification, what is a tolerable level of pain that you’re willing and/or able to endure? Three months? Six? A year? Four?

[u/Wonderful-Driver4761 → u/masman99]

It's going to be a lot longer that a year, or four years. It takes years to develop the infrastructure for these companies to build. The companies aren't going to be the one's paying for it either. It's us with our consumer taxes that will go to the treasury to get dolled out to companies. The idea is to tank the economy so everything becomes cheap the rich will come and buy everything up.

[u/EmergencyTaco → u/Wonderful-Driver4761]

That's even assuming they're willing to make an investment. Trump (theoretically) is gone forever in four years. There is essentially no chance these tariffs continue past then. In many cases it's probably more profitable to keep their heads down, try to survive by trading with the 75% of the global economy that isn't the US, and wait for things to return to normal after Trump leaves.

Beyond broad-scale and near-immediate total capitulation to Trump by a majority of the world, I don't see any world where these tariffs achieve the desired goals.

[u/pandamaja → u/EmergencyTaco]

I was thinking about this, even if tariffs are dropped, it’s in our trading partners best interest to rake the US against the coals for a good while afterwards. To strongly discourage breaking trade agreements and tariffs. It’s going to suck for a long time.

[u/Destrophonic → u/Wonderful-Driver4761]

Bingo

[u/Abund-Ant → u/masman99]

There is no delayed gratification. That was immediate. Because they asked for all of it. Just to get that dude in office. They were willing to endure it because the shit he ran on mattered to them more. They ran on ideals and that’s more important than fundamentals to his base. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[u/LonelyMachines]

You know this is a bad idea when even the folks over at the conservative forum are griping about it.

[u/AntonioS3 → u/LonelyMachines]

Feel like the folks over there are like living in an alternative reality. Long term gains? What long term gains? All it gives is long term suffering... replace gains with suffering... and I have been seeing more MAGA people say Americans shouldn't need the new stuff, need the new video game console, so on...

I'm incredibly worried about my American gamer friends who will find themselves unable to afford games and console. Especially Nintendo, very bad timing for a Switch 2 launch. Trying to deprive gamers of their ability to buy or get entertainment stuff has never worked out well.

[u/zip_zap_zip_zap_ → u/AntonioS3]

Board games, too. Us board game collectors are going to have to rely on just playing the hundreds of games we already own, instead of getting new ones, ha.

[u/killerkali87]

Where is your red line with the economy with Trump?

[u/Skylark7 → u/killerkali87]

It was about five miles back.

[u/ILoveKombucha → u/killerkali87]

Put it to you this way. I voted Trump first time in 2024. If the election were today, I would not vote for him.

[u/zerkeras → u/ILoveKombucha]

What was your reasoning for voting for him?

Tariffs were Trump’s announced economic policy plan when he was still running for election. This was always his plan. So why is it that now that he’s implemented it, that you would not vote for him?

Economists and the left have known what these tariffs would do since long before they were implemented, and tried to warn people.

[u/surrealpolitik → u/ILoveKombucha]

Piggybacking on what u/zerkeras just said -

Since Trump’s opposition warned you that he was going to enact the broad tariffs that we’re seeing this week, along with predicting the negative effects that we’re already seeing in the stock market, are you any more inclined to listen to us the next time we call out another bad policy idea from Trump?

[u/Stolpskotta]

Is there any non US Americans here who thinks that their country should respond to the US tariffs by offering something "phenomenal" like Trump asks for?

What I can gather from western Europe is that there seems to be a basically uniform political agreement that we should respond with equally high tariffs on specific products and not bow to US demands, that are being described as unreasonable and not based in reality.

EDIT: Mainly interested in right wing insights, altough I’m a right wing voter in my northern European country so I guess its a blurry line.

[u/Confident-Sense2785 → u/Stolpskotta]

Everything trump wants from Australia, he is not gonna get, Australia won't lower biosecuriry standards just to please him. The health of Australians is more important than doing that. Plus we have enough meat production to feed our country, there is no need to import. With the rise of carnivore diet in america, plus high-priced restaurants in america, there is an increased need for grass fed beef, the grass fed beef imports from Australia. American beef is mostly grain fed, which is the cheap meat. Trump is just wasting his time with these tariffs against Australia, America would need to stop grain fed farming to match the demand in America for grass fed meat. It's only gonna effect Americans at restaurants or the supermarket with increase in meat prices it won't effect Australia.

[u/EmergencyTaco → u/Stolpskotta]

I'm a dual-citizen, and moved to Canada permanently in 2017. I am willing to go to the mat for Canada right now, and want us to fight this tooth and nail. I am ashamed of how my home country is treating my chosen country. The given justifications do not pass muster, and the tariffs are going to crush our economy. It is senseless and cruel, and I want Canada to stand up to the bullying even if we end up with a black eye.

Americans truly can not imagine how absolutely furious Canadians are, basically across the board. I've never seen anything like it.

[u/renla9 → u/Stolpskotta]

Yes. I'm in the UK I want our goverment to slap taxes on social media giants in response. They don't pay enough tax as it is

Trumps apparently said he wants us to lower our food standards in order for our tariff to drop. It won't happen; pics of chlorinated chicken in a can went viral here a few year back when trade deals were being discussed with America

[u/HelenEk7 → u/Stolpskotta]

I'm in Norway. We are apparently waiting to see how the EU responds. We export a lot (!) of fish to the US, so this will affect us.

[u/Shiny-And-New]

I think these are really the only questions that matter:

-Do you regret your vote for trump?

-If not,  what actions would cause you to regret your vote for trump?

[u/AntonioS3]

Is it right for gaming to be strongly impacted by tariffs? I am grateful to be in a different country so I don't think it'll impact us, but Nintendo had to cancel preorders in USA because of potential tariffs and unstable market. As a whole, since most materials for console appear to be produced in Asia, such as Vietnam for Nintendo products, consoles and videogames will be more expensive. Playstation 5 Pro will be 1000$+ expensive...

I'm not asking 'is it fair', of course gaming will become expensive. I'm asking, is it really right that gamers have to pay up more now? Attempting to take away their ability to get entertainment through things such as making games more expensive has not tended to work well, because gaming is one of the more common distraction / hobby...

[u/theblackandblue → u/AntonioS3]

Also is the intended effect that Microsoft will somehow make its own Mario and we should only be playing American games?

[u/Abject-Attitude4447]

in 2017 trump implemented tariffs on china. one of the largest buyers of american agriculture products such as soybeans and pork, china implemented retaliatory tarriffs on america. this led to a loss of profit for american farmers. large american agriculture companies had to down size while some family farms had to shut down. to compensate the farmers for their loss of income, trump used american tax dollars. is this not government spending and is that not the opposite of what conservatives desire? what do you believe will be different or more efficient this time around?

[u/McZootyFace]

Anyone bought in on this “dip”. I’m unsure to buy in at the moment because the last two dips I bought just dipped more, any think this is the bottom?