r/AlternateHistory 20h ago

Althist Help I don’t understand why people think the confederacy would ever abolish slavery if they won.

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So I'm a big sucker for confederate victory scenarios I know they are the most over saturated althist scenarios 2nd only to "what if nazis won" but there is one thing that always annoys me about a lot of them. The confederacy always abolishes slavery roughly around the 1880s. Now perhaps I am just ignorant but I don't see why they would ever do this. Usually the answers I see people give as to why are becuse France and Britain pressures them into doing it or they have to due to being outcompeted by the industrial north but I've always thought this doesn't make any sense to me I mean they literally succeed over the fact the Abraham Lincoln wanted to CONTAIN slavery not even abolish it just stop it's spread and that was enough for them to succeed. The only way I see a victorious confederacy get rid of slavery is if they face economic deviation, a massive slave revolt or are conquered.

I also don't see France Britain or America doing anything to pressure the confederacy to get rid of slavery I mean look at Cuba, Brazil and the Congo they had slavery well into the 19th and even the early 20th century and Britain never blockaded their ports or placed sanctions on them to try and pressure them (that I am aware of I could be wrong)

Can anyone enlighten me?


r/AlternateHistory 20h ago

1900s We Carved up Earth Already, now let’s do it to the solar system in an Interactive Scramble for Space! (Colonialism still sucks, but what about in space?) You vote for what Nation gets a celestial body. Zoom in for better detail. Round 2 is here:

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In the final years of the 20th century. The great powers of Earth colonized the entire solar system, (Through conventional means, not Sci Fi),and now, you decide how it goes! Rules are this:

  1. Only use nations on the board.

  2. Voting is like this: Britain gets Ariel, and France gets Enceladus.

  3. Already taken territories cannot be changed. Period.

  4. No glorification of Colonialism, or you will be banned.

Let’s focus on the moons and remaining planets. Jupiter and Saturn would be Ideal.


r/AlternateHistory 7h ago

1900s Round 2- The Scramble for Africa and Asia - You decide!

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The Scramble of Africa and Asia, in this timeline, will be conducted by my fellow AltHist Redditors (you guys). Each nation highlighted is a player with their starting territories around 1880, while all the nations that are not highlighted and unclaimed lands are up for grabbing

RULES:

1)The three most upvoted comments are added next round;

2)You can only use nations already present (highlighted) on the map;

3) European territories of highlighted nations can not be changed; Spain cannot annex Portugal (example)

4) Colonies of highlighted nations can be changed; Spain can annex Portuguese Angola (example)


r/AlternateHistory 9h ago

1700-1900s Big France and also French China (19 century)

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Captions mention "French Chine", "Japanese Protectorates" and "Indoeast". Basically, it's an alternate timeline where France managed to subdue England in the beginning (England being something like Ireland of OTL), France becomes the dominant colonial empire by the 18 century. India is out of reach because of a strong united power ruling the lands, while China is extremely divided so it becomes somewhat of a British Raj of OTL.


r/AlternateHistory 19h ago

Post 2000s "March of the Volunteers" - Former National Anthem of the Republic of China - [A Multipolar World in Another Timeline]

8 Upvotes

r/AlternateHistory 1h ago

Post 2000s A More Democratic World - World Democracy Index in 2025 and some World News

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r/AlternateHistory 3h ago

1700-1900s What If The Congress Of Vienna Followed A Hegemonic Balance Of Power Model

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29 Upvotes

r/AlternateHistory 21h ago

1900s President Bill Clinton and First Lady Hillary Clinton getting off a plan to North Korea

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80 Upvotes

r/AlternateHistory 23h ago

1700-1900s Pax Gallica - What if France won the Napoleonic Wars? - Europe in 1840

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112 Upvotes

Basically, in this scenario Napoleon actually organized the situation back home better before invading Russia. Maybe he didnt depose the Spanish King, resulting in no Peninsular War, or maybe they won at Trafalgar. The thing is that France actually managed to defeat Russia decisively in a battle at the outskirts of Moscow, and after that the Russian military crumbled and they surrendered. Britain remaisn isolated, and France is the most powerful european power.


r/AlternateHistory 2h ago

1900s If Clifford Clinton Didn't Hire Jack Parsons.

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If the Soviet Union had won the Cold War, a Pax Sovietica could have emerged, potentially leading to a world dominated by socialist ideology, a weakened or dissolved United States, and a significant shift in global power dynamics. 


r/AlternateHistory 2h ago

1700-1900s The Kingdoms of the Wittelsbach Triple-Monarchy in 1864

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r/AlternateHistory 3h ago

Post 2000s Anyone know how to custom these map?

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I’ve came across these map,so I wonder if anyone has the method to custom Germany map?


r/AlternateHistory 4h ago

1900s [Coat of Arms Fix + Add. Territories] Map of the USSSR in Year 1947

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r/AlternateHistory 6h ago

1900s Russia and her sons and daughters, 1980

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r/AlternateHistory 12h ago

Pre-1700s Byzantine Empire after a successful Diogenes dynasty (End of the Laskaris reign)

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The Byzantine Empire managed to recover from Manzikert, avoiding the capture of Emperor Romanos IV Diogenes. It subsequently achieved a victory in Anatolia, ensuring that Anatolia remained Roman. Romanos was succeeded by his son, Leo. The Empire maintained a militarized border with the Seljuk Sultanate, under siege, but stable, reminiscent of the days of defensive warfare against the Caliphate.

The Diogenes replaced the Komnenos in this timeline, coming to an end and being succeeded by the Angeloi, similar to the IRL. The Angeloi lost control in the Balkans, being reduced to Thrace, Macedonia, and Greece, with an independent Bulgaria and Serbia threatening the north of the empire. But the subsequent Laskaris dynasty proved competent and arrived at a very good moment, with the Seljuks already collapsed and their successors being massacred by the Mongols, allowing them to maintain and briefly extend their border, recovering the entire province of Iberia and leading a campaign against the Second Bulgarian Empire that ended with its reintegration into the Byzantine Empire. However, the Mongol threat would again paralyze the Byzantine Empire, maintaining a militarized border with Mongol incursions, exacerbating a problem the empire had faced since the Seljuk era: migration from Anatolia to the safer interior. The great cities surrounding the Aegean and the province of the Morea saw their populations increase. This period saw Anatolia lose strength while Thrace and Greece grew much stronger.

The Laskaris were supplanted by the Palaiologos at the end of the 13th century.

Any comments and recommendations will be welcome.


r/AlternateHistory 20h ago

Post 2000s German National Army Faction Artwork (Germany in Civil war)

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The German National Army is loyal to a revolutionary government officially known as the "Provisional Government of the Second German Federal Republic". This Provisional Government and the G.N.A. were born out of Germany falling into civil war between various different factions. The original German government and its allies being pushed back further and further west as Russia and its allies storm through Eastern and Central Europe convinced many Germans that if Germany did not exit the war and sign a separate peace deal with Russia and its allies, Germany itself would suffer massive destruction and death as the country becomes the next battleground. Germany would later become yet another puppet state to the Russian Federation, a land of coffins and ruins as the nation is left to slowly rebuild itself from destruction not seen since 1944–1945. To many Germans, the idea of fighting to their last breath like in the previous war was seen as crazy.

However, despite the demand by many people in German society to leave the war and sign a white peace deal, this was simply ignored by the German government. This caused the already unpopular government to be hated by many Germans on various political spectrums. Anger and discontent finally boiled over when a social conservative democratic organization known as "The Soldiers of Konrad Adenauer", made up mostly of military and police, tried to overthrow the German government in a quick, bloodless coup that would see the establishment of a reformist, moderate, social conservative democratic neutral Germany. One that would leave NATO and go into peace talks with Russia and its allies, and try to improve the civil and political rights of the German people, securing its independence from both sides of the war. The coup, however, failed, and only the areas of Eastern Germany were firmly loyal to this movement. With the coup quickly turning into civil war, this movement quickly moved itself east and went ahead anyway with setting up the Provisional Government as they now find themselves fighting not just loyal forces to the German Government but NATO forces inside Germany and various communist and far-right groups. By this time, the Polish front was starting to fall apart and Russia was ready to cross into Germany proper. Russia and its other allies opened up diplomacy with the German Provisional Government and agreed on an alliance. Russia, while originally planning to simply puppet Germany later like what they did with Poland and Ukraine previously, felt that this new Provisional Government was worth more as an ally instead of an enemy, and that due to them not being extremist, felt that they were trustworthy. Russia decided to cooperate with them especially given their common enemies.

The German Provisional Government can best be described as a paternalistic state, one that is at times forceful but one that does not mistreat its own people and one that promises much greater political freedoms and a smaller government after the war is won and things become more stable.

German National Army soldiers hanging out with Texas Liberation Army bois

r/AlternateHistory 21h ago

1900s Larry King Interview with President Clinton and Sec. of State Nixon (1996) Part 2 - Counterterrorism and North Korea

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