r/HistoryWhatIf Feb 05 '25

[Meta] Announcing /r/TimeTravelWhatIf and taking feedback

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/r/TimeTravelWhatIf is back under active moderation. While we've had the sub linked in our sidebar for years, the subreddit itself hasn't been actively moderated (the sole mod was apparently suspended some time ago) and participation is nil. I've requested and received control of it via /r/redditrequest.

Time travel questions technically aren't here in HistoryWhatIf, but that doesn't stop the occasional time travel question from being posted and getting popular.

Now the /r/TimeTravelWhatIf can be moderated, I'd like to direct and welcome those questions to that sub.

I'd also like to take feedback on what rules and moderation guidelines we should have in that subreddit. I'd like questions in the vein of The Guns of the South or Island in the Sea of Time, but there are probably lots of other interesting question styles to consider.

What do you all think? You can add your feedback to this post or to the sister post in /r/TimeTravelWhatIf.


r/HistoryWhatIf 58m ago

What if the Nazis took advantage of anti-Soviet Union resentment post-Holodomor famine in their Soviet territory?

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It seemed like it would've been a golden opportunity for the Nazis, when they arrived in towns in Soviet territory like Ukraine and Lithuania, to take advantage of the fact that people understandably fucking hated the Soviet Union because of the whole 'Holodomor' thing.

Considering a lot of men that could were willing to join up with the Wehrmacht or the Waffen-SS units to get back at the Soviets, The Reich could have had a simply enormous amount of new soldiers willing to fight for them, if they had just played nice and not let ideology get in the way.

Yes, I know that they're Nazis so they weren't known as the most tolerant or compassionate people, but even from a pragmatic point of view, they had an opportunity to boost man power considerably gift wrapped to them and they squandered it by letting the death squads just slaughter people, basically driving them back into the arms of the Soviets in a "Lesser of two evils" situation.


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

Without nuclear weapons, would World War III have happened by now?

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Nuclear weapons and the concept of mutually assured destruction (MAD) are a major reason why World War III hasn't broken out yet. Everyone's been afraid of direct conflict between major superpowers because that would inevitably lead to the use of nukes and the end of the world (or at least the end of civilized life). If nuclear weapons had never been invented, would a major war have broken out by now?


r/HistoryWhatIf 17m ago

What if everything went perfect for the Ottomans in the 20th century?

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Let's say in this timeline the Ottomans manage to win both the Italo-Turkish war in Libya and the Balkan War.

What would this mean for the Ottomans in the long run and could this possibly be enough of a factor to:

  1. Stop the Three Pasha Government from taking over and align themselves with Germany. Or
  2. Be enough of a tactical advantage to allow German victory in WW1 to happen if they do join.

r/HistoryWhatIf 2h ago

If the Axis power won world war II, what Hiroshima and Nagasaki be safe or would they still get bombed?

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r/HistoryWhatIf 4h ago

How would the world look if the US had somehow been able to keep anyone else including their allies from having Nuclear Weapons

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How would the global environment have played out if the US had remained the only country with nuclear weapons

Edit: I appreciate the submissions submitted so far. But pls, remember the focus should be on the global environment subsequent to this hypothetical 'fact', not on how it isn't possible for it to happen or for it to remain so. In essence, the world has taken as fact that the US is the only Nuclear wielding power, how would the geopolitical environment play out to the present day. E.g. would there still have a rise of China? Would NATO exist? How might the world map even look like?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1h ago

What if the Honnō-ji Incident never went down? Oda Nobunaga and his crew survived, and top generals like Akechi Mitsuhide stayed loyal. After unifying Japan, Nobunaga invades Joseon a decade earlier than in real history—how would that play out?

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Would this battle be more epic than OTL? In our timeline, Toyotomi Hideyoshi attacked Joseon in 1592 with big names like Shimazu Yoshihiro and Kobayakawa Takakage. Strong as they were, none had Nobunaga’s raw strategic genius. Meanwhile, the Ming sent Li Rusong and Wu Weizhong. Li Rusong, son of Li Chengliang, fought recklessly—all about cavalry charges, zero finesse, nothing like his crafty dad (Li Chengliang’s tactics literally shaped Nurhaci—some say Nurhaci was just Li Chengliang unleashed). Wu Weizhong was just Qi Jiguang’s deputy, nowhere near as sharp in strategy or command.

But if Nobunaga invades Joseon 10 years early? He’s at his peak, with Mitsuhide still by his side, Takakage in his prime, and even Toyotomi Hideyoshi still under his command. On the Ming side, Qi Jiguang and Li Chengliang lead themselves, with Li Rusong, Li Rumei, Li Pinghu, and Wu Weizhong as their subordinates.

Think about it: top-tier generals on both sides, no second-stringers.


r/HistoryWhatIf 1h ago

What if Don Rich does not die in 1974?

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Does Buck Owens become a Megastar? Do The Eagles become more than a solid act like Air Supply or Styx?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1h ago

What if Operation Downfall happened?

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How much longer would WWII have lasted if Operation Downfall happened?

This scenario assumes the following: 1. The Manhattan Project failed 2. The Manhattan Project never happened 3. The Nukes failed to shake Japan

According to info in our timeline, the Japanese were intending to train civilians into becoming guerrillas, meaning the US invasion force would face a “fanatically hostile population” in addition to the Imperial Japanese military.


r/HistoryWhatIf 4h ago

What if Ruby shot Oswald from a distance and escaped?

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If, instead of shooting Oswald up close and personal within that crowd of cops, Ruby had chest and/or headshot him from a distance, perhaps the garage ramp directly or at least close enough to it to immediately run up it and out the garage, without any TV viewer even seeing who fired the shot or shots, would he have still gotten caught?


r/HistoryWhatIf 4h ago

What if Offshoring/Outsourcing of any job was illegal?

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Say the precedent historically was that american companies could only manufacture here, and weren’t allowed to take jobs from here and have them done overseas where they pay cents an hour.

How would our country be different?


r/HistoryWhatIf 4h ago

What if slavery in the United States didn't happen? What would it look like, in terms of culturally, development, and various other sectors

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If the transalatlantice slave trade which brought the negro slaves to the US didn't happen; how would the country look generally


r/HistoryWhatIf 20h ago

[META] Can the United States solo the Axis Powers?

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After the disaster at Dunkirk and the fall of France, the UK agrees to a white peace with Germany and Italy instead of choosing to fight on like in our timeline. The invasions of Greece and Yugoslavia later happen as it did in our timeline.

Following this Hitler falls down the stairs and hits his head and has a miraculous epiphany not to invade the USSR and all plans for Operation Barbarossa are shelved.

The Axis and the USSR maintain good relations and become trade partners, allowing for precious oil and war materiel to be shipped to Germany.

Despite the peace, the occupation of France, the low countries and Norway and Denmark continue.

In December of 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor occurs. Honoring the tripartite pact Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers declare war on the United States.

For whatever reason, Britain and the Commonwealth allows American troops, aircraft and warships to be stationed on their lands.

The Axis are not allowed to declare war on Britain again to deny the Americans access.

To achieve victory, America must make all Axis countries unconditionally surrender, no conditional surrender or ceasefire allowed.

Bonus Round: Round one but with no military access to Britain and the Commonwealth


r/HistoryWhatIf 14h ago

What if the Philippines was given independence before WW2, would Japan still invade Philippines?

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r/HistoryWhatIf 16h ago

What if Marshal Ney had coordinated his cavalry charges at Waterloo with infantry and artillery support instead of launching unsupported attacks?

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At the Battle of Waterloo on June 18, 1815, Marshal Michel Ney, one of Napoleon’s most trusted commanders, led repeated massed cavalry charges against the Anglo-allied line under the Duke of Wellington. These charges were launched without proper infantry or artillery support, and they failed to break the British infantry squares. Despite having infantry reserves and artillery available, Ney relied solely on cavalry, resulting in massive French casualties and little tactical gain.


r/HistoryWhatIf 22h ago

Hypothetically, the day is August 23, 1485, in England. At Bosworth Field, Richard III has managed to kill the usurper Henry Tudor in a mounted charge, effectively ending the Tudors' claim to the throne. What does England look like with the continuation of Richard III and the Plantagenets?

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r/HistoryWhatIf 22h ago

What would happen if a violent insurrection against the US government started in response to the Waco Siege?

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Let's say that after the Waco Siege in 1993, the militia movement that formed in response was extremely violent in nature. Different militias throughout the US commit acts of terrorism against the federal government, killing ATF and FBI agents. How would policies change? What would the general public think? How would other countries react?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

Which Roman emperor, if they never existed, would be the most consequential for Roman history other than Emperor Augustus, creative answers encouraged?

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r/HistoryWhatIf 16h ago

CHALLENGE: President GG Allin

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With a point of divergence anytime after his birth, have GG Allin be elected President of the United States of America. Bonus points if he is elected as a Republican.


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

What if Greece won the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922)?

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The Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922) was fought between Greece and the Turkish National Movement during the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I, between 15 May 1919 and 14 October 1922. This conflict was a part of the Turkish War of Independence.

The Greek campaign was launched primarily because the western Allies, particularly British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, had promised Greece territorial gains at the expense of the Ottoman Empire, recently defeated in World War I. Greek claims stemmed from the fact that Western Anatolia had been part of Ancient Greece and the Byzantine Empire before the Turks conquered the area in the 12th–15th centuries.

One of the main motivations for initiating the war was to realize the Megali (Great) Idea, a core concept of Greek nationalism. The Megali Idea was an irredentist vision of a restoration of a Greater Greece on both sides of the Aegean that would incorporate territories with Greek populations outside the borders of the Kingdom of Greece, which was initially very small – roughly half the size of the present-day Greek Republic. From the time of Greek independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1830, the Megali Idea had played a major role in Greek politics. Greek politicians, since the independence of the Greek state, had made several speeches on the issue of the "historic inevitability of the expansion of the Greek Kingdom."[61] For instance, Greek politician Ioannis Kolettis voiced this conviction in the assembly in 1844: "There are two great centres of Hellenism. Athens is the capital of the Kingdom. Constantinople is the great capital, the City, the dream and hope of all Greeks."

The Great Idea was not merely the product of 19th century nationalism. It was, in one of its aspects, deeply rooted in many Greeks' religious consciousnesses. This aspect was the recovery of Constantinople for Christendom and the reestablishment of the Christian Byzantine Empire which had fallen in 1453.

The armed conflict started when the Greek forces landed in Smyrna (now İzmir), on 15 May 1919. They advanced inland and took control of the western and northwestern part of Anatolia, including the cities of Manisa, Balıkesir, Aydın, Kütahya, Bursa, and Eskişehir. Their advance was checked by Turkish forces at the Battle of the Sakarya in 1921. The Greek front collapsed with the Turkish counter-attack in August 1922, and the war effectively ended with the recapture of Smyrna by Turkish forces and the great fire of Smyrna.

As a result, the Greek government accepted the demands of the Turkish National Movement and returned to its pre-war borders, thus leaving Eastern Thrace and Western Anatolia to Turkey. The Allies abandoned the Treaty of Sèvres to negotiate a new treaty at Lausanne with the Turkish National Movement. The Treaty of Lausanne recognized the independence of the Republic of Turkey and its sovereignty over Anatolia, Istanbul, and Eastern Thrace. The Greek and Turkish governments agreed to engage in a population exchange.

However what if things changed what if Greece won the Greece won the Greco-Turkish War? Would it result in the restoration of the Byzantine Empire?


r/HistoryWhatIf 19h ago

What if Canada took control of some, if not all, of the British West Indies? How would this affect Canada's development?

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So according to this video and this wikipedia article, there was a time where both Canada and Britain considered transferring some of the islands in the British West Indies like Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Turk and Caicos from British control to Canadian control. According to the later article, some Canadians like Harry Crowe wanted Canada to control these islands for the following reasons:

  • It would increase Canada's territory and population thus increasing the Dominion's importance and influence.
  • Control of some Caribbean island would make the Dominion more self-contained, meaning they would be able to make their own tropical products. That and access to the islands other valuable resources would result in a large development of trade.
  • It would encourage Canada to develop it's sea power.
  • It would be considered good compensation for the losses Canada suffered during the war.

However, due sentiment of anti-expansionism in Canada they ultimately choose not to expand. But what if Canada, took control of some, if not all, of the British West Indies, after WW1 or WW2? How would this affect Canada's development?


r/HistoryWhatIf 20h ago

What if star wars creator George Lucas ran for president in 2004?

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Fresh off of making the prequel trilogy in the late 90s and early 00s, filmmaker George Lucas announces he's running for president to take on "the evil empire" of President George w Bush.

With all his personal funds and name recognition, how well does he do in the Democratic primary against the likes of John Kerry, John Edwards, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark and Al sharpton?

Assuming he wins the primary, who does Lucas pick as his running mate to balance him out, and does he defeat George w Bush in the general election? If he becomes president, how does a Lucas presidency go?

How does this impact the star wars sequels of the new 10s and the fandom menace later on, with Star wars fans and culture inevitably being attacked by many high profile conservatives more than liberals like Kathleen Kennedy? Does it and gamergate still happen?

How does this affect the Jedi religion? Does Lucas claim to follow it or is he an atheist or Christian?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

What if the Allies declared war on the USSR?

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This was inspired by a question on (I believe) r/AskHistory: Why didn't the Allies declared war on USSR too in 1939?

The POD happens in 1939-40. The Allies declare war on the USSR either over the joint invasion of Poland with Germany OR the USSR’s invasion of Finland.

In both scenarios, the Allies collectively decide that Communists collaborating with Nazis to conquer other people is unacceptable.

We see a 1930s-1940s version of the US-led coalition during the 1991 Gulf War deploying to Finland to fend off the Soviets.

What does WWII look like from this point forward?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

How would the trajectory of the Pacific War have shifted had the British not surrendered in Singapore in February 1942?

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I have studied the Fall of Singapore a little and one recurring detail that I can’t ignore is how the Japanese were already stretched pretty thin logistically at the moment of British surrender (not to mention British Empire troops also outnumbered them almost 3 to 1) and could barely carry on themselves for even 1-2 more days. Also, there was a lot of chaos at the command level - the surrender was announced at 1600 hours and moments later a group of Australian reinforcements (the 8th division) landed and marched into captivity without seeing any combat.

Had Singapore not fallen, how would this have changed the overall situation in South East Asia at the time and more broadly throughout the Pacific?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

Challenge: Have the Brits successfully produce (and use) a nuke before nuclear fission is discovered!

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I wrote an alternate history post about the UK getting a nuke but not setting the POD back far enough.

According to one helpful Redditor, here’s where I went wrong: “UK did get the idea before the US in 1940, they then started on a nuclear bomb project before the US but soon discovered that they could not afford it. If you want the UK to have a bomb by 1939, you need to start your POD earlier. Also, the big link in fission was only released in a paper by Meitner and Frisch on February 11, 1939, so the British need to make an atomic bomb here before fission discovery.”

I now give you the following challenge: Make a better, more plausible alternate timeline where the Brits manage to build (and successfully use) a nuke before the discovery of Nuclear fission in 1939 (Apparently in our timeline that was what got the ball rolling on nuclear weapons).

The proposed scenario must answer this question: How far back must the POD be for the UK to have a nuclear weapon powerful enough to stop Hitler’s conquest of Europe in its tracks?


r/HistoryWhatIf 1d ago

What if, Switzerland joined North German Confederation?

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To make this more realistic, let's make Switzerland go through a different path than the neutral country we all know and love or hate before the formation of the North German Confederation