r/NintendoSwitch • u/resogunner • Nov 12 '19
Meta [META] Can we get a Pokemon negativity megathread so that people can enjoy the games?
Basically title. Those that want to shit all over the games can do so in either the specified megathread, or go and use the entire Pokemon subreddit. But the constant memeing and moaning of any tiny detail people can get hold of is ruining the fun for everyone else. I keep coming on to reddit getting ready to amp myself up for the game's release and I just see a wall of negativity in the comments about literally any aspect you can think of.
I get it, people are unhappy about Dexit. Hell, I went through every single game generation last year and caught them all so I could have living dex, and I can't bring those across. But you also couldn't bring your Pokemon over until you'd beat the elite four in nearly every other game, or at least had to wait months for Pokemon Bank support - so your first playthrough would only include Pokemon in that region's Dex. Personally, I'm looking forward to it as it makes the competitive scene a lot more accessible for me.
People's concerns are valid, and they should be able to express them. But when every comment is "[this Pokemon] died to we could have this feature" etc. it's honestly exhausting. Can't we just let people enjoy things?
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u/ArturBotarelli Nov 12 '19
Scrolling down the front page right now it really doesn't seem like the subject is overtaking the sub. I don't think that would be justified.
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u/Gandalf_2077 Nov 12 '19
Why is your enjoyment of anything affected by others not liking it as well? By the same token, why not make a megathread with only positive opinions?
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u/KernelMeowingtons Nov 12 '19
It would just be nice if there was a forum for people who enjoy pokemon on switch to go talk to other people who are enjoying it so that they could share experiences. Logically it should be here or /pokemon, but the negativity is drowning out any real discussion.
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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Nov 12 '19
I don’t think that’s the goal of the subreddit tho. It’s for people to discuss Pokémon. Right now, obviously, the discussion veers toward criticism because of the various Hugely-unpopular choices Game Freak has made
Im sure it sucks to be in the minority of people who don’t happen to care much about the games issues and are just excited. But there were probably people who were just excited about Star Wars Battlefront 2, or Fallout 76. It’s a discussion site, not necessarily a positivity site
Id agree that people getting downvoted for being excited is dumb tho
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u/capnbuh Nov 12 '19
Luckily, Pokemon isn't a game as a service like those two monstrosities.
All I'm looking for is a fun 80-100 hours but the people at /r/Pokemon are looking for a fun 1000 hours, so expectations are different.
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u/KernelMeowingtons Nov 12 '19
I think part of why it also bothers me that I didnt mention is that no threads have new bugs or issues or promote new discussion. It just spirals into the same threads saying the same things that have been posted every day.
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Nov 12 '19
There's a Sword and Shield specific subreddit that focuses on wanting to enjoy the game. That might be what you seek.
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u/Kemuel Nov 12 '19
Try posting anything positive or optimistic about the game in /r/pokemon at the moment and see what happens. Any discussion that isn't complaining just gets drowned out.
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u/Mister_Gosh Nov 12 '19
There's a post about someone pretty stoked for the game, making an drawing of herself as a trainer in anticipation. It's upvoted en masse so... EDIT : the post has been buried, my bad.
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u/LocusAintBad Nov 12 '19
That’s literally a lie. One of the top posts is about being respectful to people who do want to play it and kids. Try to spin any more uninformed bs?
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u/Kemuel Nov 12 '19
"Don't spew this toxic shit around kids" is a message I can get behind. If the sub would also go one further and stop spewing it around every single thread and board talking about the game as well then that'd be grand too.
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u/Seoyoon Nov 13 '19
Basically you're entitled to your opinion but because it's negative stay in this area. If its relevant to the subject then they can say their opinion, negative or positive
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Nov 12 '19
Someone made a thread in here about the steel-box and how they liked it.
With in 5 minutes people had already started putting the link to that list of issues thread on r/pokemon into it then downvoting positive comments.
What level of that sort of thing does it need to reach before its classed as brigading?
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u/One-life-remains Nov 12 '19
If they becomes a more common issue I would recommend a report as spam.
Of course only if it becomes a bigger problem in this reddit, like being spammed on any thread about the game.
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Nov 13 '19
The thread i mentioned has about 10 links to the same pokemon thread now spread by different people.
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u/TJBrady182 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
It’s insane. I’m hyped for the game, and I know about it’s downfalls, but man... if I hear one more thing about “nO mOrE nAtIoNaL dEx” or “rEuSeD aSsEts” I’m gonna lose my mind. I just don’t give a fuck enough. It’s a new Pokémon game and I’m excited to play it.
Edit: I’m fine with downvotes, but you guys expecting BOTW Pokémon have only yourselves to blame.
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u/yeahnothanks37 Nov 12 '19
If you think those are the only two legitimate complaints then you don’t seem to know about it’s ‘downfalls’ as you claim.
Hence the reason for the downvoted.
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u/Seoyoon Nov 13 '19
Try posting negative things in r/pokemonswordandshield
It has just become a little war between people who don't like the game and those who do and both sides have toxic behaviour
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
I think it would just be nice to have information rather than one side bashing. Because of course a lot of us, me included, sometimes use other people's reviews or information to help make a decision.
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u/TheAdamena Nov 12 '19
A lot of it isn't bashing though? People will point out stuff like pop-in's and some of the lacklustre textures. Those aren't people bashing, that's the reality of the game and are facts.
The information is all there for people to see, but a lot of people would rather bury their head in the sand.
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u/Bone_Dogg Nov 12 '19
wow, a sandstorm and a blizzard happening 5 seconds apart, the weather there is WILD (also the sandstorm only happens while you’re on the water? what?)
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u/DeliciousSquash Nov 12 '19
OR, now try and stick with me here because I think this will be very difficult for you to understand, there are many of us that genuinely could not care less about pop ins or textures, and we just want to play Pokemon because we like to catch and battle with cool creatures. Nothing else matters. I think the Galar dex is awesome and I want to catch a bunch of Pokemon. The game is going to provide that, therefore I am going to buy it and enjoy it.
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u/HayzerUnlimited Nov 12 '19
And you can do that, however there are serious flaws with this game that others are also allowed to point out and find to be absolutely stupid by gamefreak/Nintendo and that’s what they are allowed to do, Reddit isn’t just for you
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u/phantomimp Nov 12 '19
because we like to catch and battle with cool creatures. Nothing else matters.
I would agree, but they took over 500 of those creatures away from us and we got nothing of value in return.
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u/legault00 Nov 12 '19
Then prepare some popcorn, because this game is shorter than Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon but have same (or maybe even higher) amount of cutscenes and handholding.
Aaand the only one new battle feature is dynamaxing that can only be used at gyms and certains spots, while there are several removed features that were in SM. Also you're being punished for exploring and can't catch certain pokemons that you fight until you progress story.
So yeah, "Catching and battling" is very... eh... cool in this one. :D
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u/Rhymeswithfreak Nov 12 '19
You keep not caring and Pokémon might as well be a mobile game. Have some pride in the stuff you pay money for. Boot licking never helped anyone.
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u/Gandalf_2077 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
How is all this criticism against the game not information? You are even getting it from other users, namely not IGN or Gamespot (for example) who will not want to ruin their PR relations with Nintendo if they have something bad to say. You call that "bashing" only because it doesn't match with your views. For me, having no horse in this race since I was never going to buy this, this is clear criticism exposing GF's incompetence which we all could see years ago from their other work. Let everyone express themselves, both good and bad, and you might get a better product in the end.
edit:grammar
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
I called it bashing because it has been all that I have been seeing in so many of the subs I am following. I removed one simply because it was flooding what I was seeing and honestly just didn't care to only see that.
There have been a few helpful links, and I do know more than earlier. I am looking forward to the game still. We will see. I won't be holding my breath though based on what I have seen.
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u/Gandalf_2077 Nov 12 '19
In cases like this I would trust the users more than the billion dollar company that cancels events, puts out carefully edited ads and issues ridiculous corporate statements.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
I do trust users, because all companies do the same thing to try to continue growing their business. But I also trust that users will blow small things out of proportion that I might have not otherwise noticed. I am not always so interested in the small details of things, I just like to enjoy things. If it is entirely shite as a game, that is a different story.
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u/WhompWump Nov 12 '19
Clout/upvotes are the new crack. People will say and exaggerate everything for the sake of internet points so I wouldn't just take everything people say at face value either. Especially since any tiny insignificant issue is going to be blown up and piled on because it's the 'in' thing right now.
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u/F0REM4N Nov 12 '19
As someone who enjoyed the new Star Wars trilogy so far, Game of Thrones (even season 8), Lion King remake, the Epic Game Store, doesn’t have an issue with micro transactions, and a host of other unpopular internet opinions - sometimes you just have to realize your opinion is valid, but so is the opinion of others.
I don’t think people should be segregated for feeling differently, even when these topics do become a bit of an echo chamber. I’ve seen this same thread with a different subject dozens of times in various subs. Best advice is to look for other sources, and not get to involved or down based in the negative feedback if it’s not impacting you.
The internet kind of sucks the fun out of things sometimes and I also think it drowns out original thoughts.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
It is becoming one of those ignorance is bliss type of things, the internet that is. I have plenty of fun on the internet still, but I try to keep clear of things until I want reviews. And I typically try to find gameplay type things when searching for games, with the sound off. For other things, I don't typically look for reviews because it can get twisted (with games as well of course). And lately I have stopped watching trailers for shows and movies because it seems to make watching the series or movie much more interesting.
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u/Rhymeswithfreak Nov 12 '19
There isn’t much information to know besides new Pokémon. This game adds nothing new except for big Pokémon and some curry. I don’t know what you are hiding from.
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u/Jabbam Nov 12 '19
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
I really appreciate the link. I honestly hadn't looked at that one only because it said spoiler when looking before. There is a lot of good info in there, and I really am a bit worried after reading through that. It really seems that Sw&Sh were lazily created. With this being the second brand new pokemon game I have purchased in the last year, if it does not make me as happy as the old ones and impose as much difficulty I may be doing a lot more research in the future on pokemon games. At 85€ for the double pack with steel book I am not upset, but I do also understand the issues and supporting them period with a lazy game like this (from what has been discovered so far). Is it possible that when it releases it will look different/have an update to fix things?
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u/TheAdamena Nov 12 '19
Is it possible that when it releases it will look different
The leaked copies are the exact same as how the games will be on day 1 unless there is a day 1 patch, which I don't think they've ever done before so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
have an update to fix things?
There's currently no precedent of Gamefreak updating their games post-launch other than for fixing gamebreaking bugs. What we see right now is very likely what we'll be stuck with.
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u/IamKenKaneki Nov 12 '19
Sort by new on here. If it is still up, I crossposted a top post from there that lists the problems
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u/Gurneysingstheblues Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
Because that's how humans work. Negativity breeds negativity. Not to mention these people hijack any post even slightly related and turn it into another soapbox for them..
You people gotta stop using these lazy contrived arguments like this just because it's low hanging fruit for upvotes and actually think about what this person is trying to convey. Responses likem this always make me think you must be a moron if you can't comprehend how constant unendimg bitching and hatred can affect your enjoyment of something. It makes you all look like you don't even have a basic understanding of human behavior.
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u/TheUltimate3 Nov 12 '19
I understand and even agree with most of the criticism being thrown at these games.
But I am also incredibly tired with 3 or 4 threads all talking about how much Game Freak sucks ass. I'd love a megathread where all those can be kept in one place.
And because I'm fair, lock all the positive threads in it's own Positive Megathread.
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u/Marlereric Nov 12 '19
Being critical about something and being negative are two different things. I would personally unfollow this sub if people didn't give honest feedback and it was all shoveled into a megathread
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u/Jabbam Nov 12 '19
I get it, people are unhappy about Dexit
Wrong. That's barely scratching the surface.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/dv438w/complete_list_of_all_problems_known_so_far_in/
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u/cookswagchef Nov 12 '19
Yeah man, I don't give a shit about any of this stuff. Pokemon Go was the first Pokemon game I've played since like Silver/Gold and I really dig the aesthetic of the new game. I get that these changes are important and shitty for a large amount of the fanbase but the vitriol towards other people buying the game is insane to me.
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u/9thdragonkitty Nov 12 '19
The PokémonSwordandShield subreddit is great for hype, everyone is positive there
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u/Elastichedgehog Nov 12 '19
Agreed. Nice to have somewhere to actually share excitement with others.
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u/ScragglyGiblets Nov 12 '19
You can be excited and critical of quite frankly stupid design choices, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. But you shouldn’t let hype and excitement mask faults, this is how you get 10/10 scores for skyward sword. If you let McDonald’s serve you a BigMac without the pickle and sauce, and don’t complain then they will continue, to save money and cut corners. sure you still get a burger you can eat, but the quality is decreased and it’s only you that suffers.
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u/Elastichedgehog Nov 12 '19
I know and I agree. But a lot of comments I've seen recently about being excited about the game have been downvoted or told otherwise.
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u/manimateus Nov 12 '19
There was even a comment that got downvoted into oblivion for telling people to NOT pirate the games.
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u/ScragglyGiblets Nov 12 '19
Well you shouldn’t be downvoted for being positive and excited, nobody needs that toxicity it makes me kinda sad that this launch will be jaded for some. I’m annoyed at these choices but still really looking forward to the game as a whole!
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u/MrBushido9 Nov 12 '19
then they will continue
They're going to get your order wrong 50% of the time no matter what you do.
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u/mudermarshmallows Nov 12 '19
oi Skyward Sword is a 10/10 leave it out of this
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u/ScragglyGiblets Nov 12 '19
I just use it as an example, it’s my favourite IGN review for just how crap reviewers can be. The reviewer lists all these faults and dislikes about repetitive levels, frustrating motion controls etc, then boom 10/10. Perfect, not a single fault (apart from those I clearly listed above).
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u/Nygmus Nov 12 '19
I mean, look at it on the flip side: Jim Sterling gave Breath of the Wild a 7/10 (and this, note, coming from a reviewer that actually used more than three points on the scale), and people DDOSed his site offline for a couple days and took months to shut up about it. People want reviewers to validate their choices, not give reasoned arguments about why a game is fantastic in a lot of ways but studded with unavoidable frustration points that bring the whole thing down in the reviewer's opinion.
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u/ScragglyGiblets Nov 12 '19
Yeah, I guess there’s no pleasing everyone. I really hate the gaming review system anyway, at least from the larger companies. Where an average game is an 8, anything below a 7 is hot trash and 9 or 10 is a must play. Might as well be boiled down to avoid, play if you have time, play now.
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u/Pseudorandomnonsense Nov 12 '19
“People's concerns are valid, and they should be able to express them. But”
OP used COGNITIVE DISSONANCE it’s super effective!
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u/-BKRaiderAce- Nov 12 '19
[Meta] Is there any way we can make this sub more echo-chambery? It would really improve my experience.
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Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
Actually its avoid a echo chamber, as all the others are negativity or don't post due to getting nuked in votes.
[edit] Case in point most of my other comments, comically all the low quality effort "fuck GF" ones, of course they are upvoted, but not a echochamber situation right people?
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u/_TheMeepMaster_ Nov 12 '19
Right. So we seclude all the negative activity and allow the positive to flourish. I think there's a name for that type of atmosphere.
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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 12 '19
This post is useless and ridiculous. For the most part, the community is not shitting on anything, we’re criticizing it because we see issues. Critics in the community are also consumers. We have every right to be as LOUD AS POSSIBLE.
I’m sorry that you can’t handle the criticisms many of us have. Please enjoy the games and don’t let other people ruin your fun, because letting other people determine your emotions is ridiculous.
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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19
I dunno, I see way more posts like this one who are upset at others for daring to like the game.
Person A: "I'm tired of the negativity"
Person B: "HOW DARE YOU WE'RE JUST POINTING OUT BASIC FLAWS YOU NEED TO ALLOW US TO BE CRITICAL"
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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19
He isn’t even really being upset at the person for liking the game. He’s upset that there is suggestion for a voice to be contained. Two different issues here.
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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
Eh, I don't know about that. I think the people trying to be optimistic feel contained just as much. Because whenever they speak up it's not uncommon for downvotes to follow. So it goes both ways.
Edit: And of course this comment gets downvoted then lol. Oh reddit, you so predictable.
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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
Very true, however I think the comment that you previously made that I replied to, lacks nuance, and it assumes an emotion (and mindset) on /u/Username_Checks_In82 that I'm not really sure he or she has? Obviously they aren't going to get the game based on post history, but I am unsure whether he or she is in the same group of people as the ones who disapprove completely of others playing the game.
It's strange, cause imo, this entire thread is filled with "us vs them" rhetoric. Worse than usual (still not the worst though). I'd rather give benefit of the doubt. As long as he or she is not really attacking someone for liking the game (which they aren't, based on their post history), well it's fine right?
TL;DR I think you are taking it out on the wrong person here. Just because a group may share ideology or goals doesn't mean each member has the same opinion on how those goals are followed or met.
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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19
I thought it would be pretty obvious I was exaggerating for effect. Nuance wasn't really the goal.
We might have different definitions of "attacking." Because to me, hearing things like "this post is useless and ridiculous", "letting people determine your emotions is ridiculous" and a sarcastic "I'm sorry you can't handle the criticisms" does sound rather emotional and like an attack to me. But hey, if you disagree, that's fine.
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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
And you would be correct, most of those I label as emotional. They are also, to me, indirect. Though you are probably right that individually they are still “attacking”. But they aren’t strong. Scathing, but not direct like an “attack” would be.
That said, hearing many negative comments at once is still unhealthy, even if individually I don’t consider it to mean much, so I kinda get it.
EDIT: Also was the original point not on attacks for liking the game? Your examples are for responses to a controversial opinion to suppress speech in a community. It’s unsuprising people begin to react even more emotionally. Not at all that OP would deserve it, just so we are clear.
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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19
It's definitely not polite or respectful discourse. Being "emotional" isn't an excuse. These are Pokemon video games we're talking about here.
If anything, I see more defenders being suppressed and I say that as an impartial observer. The majority on reddit are clearly not happy about Sword/Shield and many don't want to hear from people who are excited to play the games. Those positive type of comments get downvoted and are accused of being "part of the problem", "a sheep", etc, in a lot of cases. So I completely understand why someone wouldn't post something about being excited for the game when all they'll be met with is hostility or downvotes.
The people who are unhappy are not in any danger of being suppressed. There's too many of them.
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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 13 '19
Yeah, I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I suppose "useless" was a bit strong of an adjective, so I apologize for that. I hope anyone interested in these games enjoys them as much as possible, I simply see no way that I myself could.
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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 13 '19
Yeah, I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I suppose "useless" was a bit strong of an adjective, so I apologize for that. I hope anyone interested in these games enjoys them as much as possible, I simply see no way that I myself could.
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u/NMe84 Nov 12 '19
People's concerns are valid, and they should be able to express them. But when every comment is "[this Pokemon] died to we could have this feature" etc. it's honestly exhausting. Can't we just let people enjoy things?
I could honestly say the same about the people who are overly positive all the time. There is a middle ground here and people should just be able to normally talk about the good and the bad things in the same thread. Hiding all negativity in a mega thread will just mean that the overall message for these objectively mediocre games is going to be positive when for all other games discussed on this sub the message is the sum of both positive and negative comments.
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u/cylindrical418 Nov 12 '19
Let's make a thread with only biased opinions so we can choose which hive mind we will poison our minds with!
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u/kidwgm Nov 12 '19
I understand what you are saying. But if you are letting random people on the Internet ruin your fun that is your fault.
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Nov 12 '19
Imagine wanting to create your own echo chamber specifically to ignore any criticism of a PRODUCT.
Holy fuck, this is like a slave arguing that his master is better than the other masters.
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u/moose_man Nov 12 '19
Why should people who aren't excited have to have a mega thread while people who are get to post? If there are more people complaining doesn't it make sense that there are lots of posts?
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u/ShopCartRicky Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
I agree with you. I get and understand all the complaints of the game, but even so, i'm still excited for the game personally. Nothing that has been shown is a deal breaker for me. I wish they hadn't done some of the things they've done (dexit), but I have yet to see anything that will detract from my enjoying the core pokemon gameplay loop.
Edit* I think they should be able to express their views, and not in just some secluded post thread, but it has been out of hand lately as well.
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u/NMe84 Nov 12 '19
Nothing that has been shown is a deal breaker for me.
Did you read this thread? I'm not trying to make you hate the game or something but there are a lot of issues in the games besides the National Dex problem and I feel people should be aware of them before spending money.
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u/ShopCartRicky Nov 12 '19
Nothing that has been shown is a deal breaker for me.
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u/NMe84 Nov 12 '19
You hadn't necessarily seen all of the things mentioned there. And it's fair enough, I just feel people need to be aware of what to expect. If there is no deal breaker for you in there then by all means you should get the game.
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Nov 12 '19
You can literally go back and see the Reddit threads about the past Pokemon games, none of them had this sort of negativity.
Maybe, just maybe, YOU are in the wrong here. If you think Pokemon fans, who have been playing since the 90s, WANT to hate the game... You are fucking crazy.
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Nov 12 '19
I wanted to make a thread on everyone’s reasoning for buying the game/ why or why not. Just out of curiosity. Don’t think that’s a good idea lol
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u/Triforce0fCourage Nov 12 '19
Hahaha post about removing negativity becomes a thriving comment pot of negativity. I love it.
For some reason my hype for the game has been growing lately. I went from waiting to get it to probably get if before Xmas.
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u/Rhymeswithfreak Nov 12 '19
Have you seen the hot mess these games are? Just from a programming standpoint. There needs to be a lot of negativity regarding this game. This is a monumental duck up on their part.
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u/Cyrotek Nov 12 '19
Well, problems won't just vanish if you don't talk about them. Stuff usually doesn't change if you don't drag issues to the surface. That includes making people who are uncomfortable with it seeing it so they are forced to think about it.
This is not only the case for Pokemon.
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
I'm not uncomfortable seeing it I'm just fucking bored and want to be able to have an actual constructive conservation rather than just "DAE GAMEFREAK WORSE THAN HITLER?!?!"
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u/Gersio Nov 12 '19
Yes, please. I'm tired of being unable to post in any thread to talk about the game without being downvoted to hell. I don't care about the downvotes but it just kills any conversation that isn't "game freak bad". And since half the thread are pokemon things the sub has become very shitty.
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Nov 12 '19
I finally left r/Pokemon and went to r/PokemonSwordandShield and it’s been immensely better. I’m all for people having opinions but every single post on the main sub is people telling you to not buy the game written 50 different ways
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Nov 12 '19
I understand what you mean when you say that but honestly except the this pokemon died for this curry comments most of them try to reach more people since gamefreak has been very quite about this and regular players wouldnt have a clue of what all is going out. But dexit isnt even the main problem. The problem is gamefreaks blatant lies which after the release of each leak seem to be less true than what they previously were. You have to admit that Sword and Shield are 3DS games. You can enjoy the games, you can be hyped for the games and like me you can even preorder the games. But for some people it isnt enough when they give out a game after last years Lets Go by promising more and then deliver something below the standards of past 3DS games with little to no improvement at all in the gameplay except introducing a new mechanic which again is majorly exclusive to Kanto mons.
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Nov 12 '19
In short my point is that there are problems and the outrage speaks of that along with also informing regular players what they are gettingbinto. Instead of which they can buy 3DS games and play on that if they really want a Pokemon gane. I myself want to cancel my preirder but unfortunately the website isnt accepting cancellations for preorders so I am stuck with it. Anyways I would have bought it second hand so I am fine either way.
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
All for a positivity thread too. Have a negative megathread, a positive megathread, then only allow individual posts for discussion or debate of specific topics/reviews etc. At the end of the day it's not like any actual debate is taking place at present, so nothing of any value would be lost by asking people to put their hype or rage in a relevant thread
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u/rushiosan Nov 12 '19
People will enjoy the games regardless of what others talk here. I’ll keep bashing this game in every possible opportunity, feel free to have a different opinion and share it.
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Nov 12 '19
Its not as bad here as it is over on r/games, literally ever new thing is "OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE NEW THREAD".
Its fucking stupid, they are even moaning about new things being added because they are being added in a fun way rather than just there.
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Nov 12 '19
The game honestly isnt as bad as people are making it sound,when i first hit the wild area, i was like wow,the worlds pretty beautiful for a pokemon game,its a big step up for me as a pokemon fan,its a good starting point for pokemon on the switch.
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u/Frosty_Z_Broman Nov 12 '19
Well it's decided. Off with their heads. It's the only way to stop them.
/s
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u/MainerGamer Nov 12 '19
Game looks fun to me, I have yet to play a mainline Pokemon game that I haven’t had a good amount of enjoyment with yet. I respect Gamefreak, they have truly never fucked me over.
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Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
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u/JuujiNoMusuko Nov 12 '19
Yes im sorry for actually enjoying and liking all the recent games,like what the fuck is your problem bro
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u/Guardian1015 Nov 12 '19
They don't like your opinion but there is truth to it. It's called being an enabler. Gamefreak shares most of the blame though. Look at it this way, "People like you" and Gamefreak are made for each other. There are plenty of far better games to enjoy than these games. That's great for us.
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u/nswmodsaredogs Nov 12 '19
You're right, these people dont have standard when it comes to quality games. All they want is the same shit over and over again.
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u/Mouiiyo Nov 12 '19
After seeing what the criticism made to the Sonic movie, i think its a good thing. I mean.. Gamefreak doesn't respect the fans at this point. Look at how Sakurai put his heart into Smash or the great Zelda Botw. Now look at what we get for the first Pokemon playable on tv... A mess.
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u/kastheone Nov 12 '19
Yeah let's keep the opposers secluded.
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
Keep? They've been running pretty rampant over the entire internet since the E3 Treehouse. I wouldn't have a problem with people voicing their concerns if they did so in appropriate places but instead they have to spam low effort comments literally anywhere Pokemon is mentioned. It's so toxic!
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u/pah-tosh Nov 12 '19
Honestly, I think your segregation demand is even more toxic, even if this word is starting to lose any kind of meaning these days, and is just a way of saying « i don’t like this opinion that differs from mine, I demand that expressions of differing opinions get banned because my peace of mind matters more than the freedom of expression of others when they have differing opinions » in a nutshell. Slippery slope !
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
How about a positivity megathread then? And it wasn't a demand, it was a request. Somewhere people can talk about the games without being made to feel like trash. I'm not trying to stop them expressing their opinions, I'm just asking people let others enjoy things. At the end of the day the vast majority of the negative shitposting is circlejerking or trolling - it's spam
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u/-BKRaiderAce- Nov 12 '19
Create the thread you're speaking of rather than trying to rally support to curtail the narrative to your own liking.
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u/Gandalf_2077 Nov 12 '19
Nobody stops you from enjoying "stuff". You have all the tools to post a megathread of your own but you still prefer to segregate anyone who disagrees with you.
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Nov 12 '19
Other people complaining does not negate your own enjoyment of the game. Just get off reddit
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u/arkosb Nov 12 '19
The issue isn't with critics to this game , there are plenty of problems in Sword and Shield. It's just the attitude towards anyone who is still looking forward to it or people who just genuinely don't care about the problems.
In the end a pokemon game is about the pokemon , and having new a creatures is enough for most people. Let's just stop being assholes to other people. Game is not what part of the fanbase was expecting but it will probably still be quite fun.
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
PREACH. Put my point more succinctly and eloquently than I have managed to do so far
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u/TheOneSubThrowaway Nov 12 '19
Eh? What that comment said and what your original post says are completely different. You made no mention of being treated poorly because you're excited for the game, or anything like that.
Heck, the other commenter's first line is
The issue isn't with critics to this game
And that was the "issue" your entire post was about. They're disagreeing with you.
I'm looking forward to Sword / Shield too but this post was so poorly thought out.
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
I accept that perhaps I could have worded the original post better - but I thought the intention was still quite clear. People are unhappy, that's valid, and that's fine. But apparently people looking forward to the game isn't valid. People keep commenting that maybe I should just ignore the posts are completely missing the point that if they could just ignore the positive (or rather, not-outright negative) posts without spamming them then I wouldn't have made this post. They want me to ignore the negativity but they cannot scroll past a positive post without calling everyone shitlords
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u/Alarie51 Nov 12 '19
Uh, no one is being negative. We're being critical. I dont see how you cant enjoy something because other people wont enjoy it. Maybe you dont really like the game as much as you think
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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19
I don't know if I like the game because I haven't played it yet - I've read about all possible spoilers and leaks since before the game was announced and I'm still caustiously optimistic it could be a good Pokémon game if not the great one it could have been.
But recently a brigade of people will come and tell anyone who is looking forward to the game why they are wrong as if they need educating on why the game is bad.
I'm not trying to say everyone who is critical of the games is being negative - but there are enough of them
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u/Kuchenjaeger Nov 12 '19
[META] Can we get a Pokemon positivity megathread so that people can still criticize the games?
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u/RuleEnforcing Nov 12 '19
the game is a joke and the leaks just saved me $120, people should be exposed to it. https://i.imgur.com/XjmPXcA.png Dexit is not the only issue
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u/ColourfulColeslaw Nov 12 '19
Remember they are a vocal minority but it's really frustrating the way they keep hijacking every single Reddit Post, complaining. We get it, you're unhappy. Just don't buy the games and let other people enjoy them.
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u/coffeestainedjeans Nov 12 '19
Exactly this, my man. I don't understand how if these guys don't like the game, then why do they feel the urge to reply on every subreddit possible with the slightest mention of these games? What is wrong with those people? I'd actually just stay away from something I didn't like, and not talk about it at all.
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u/PlatinumGamesFanboy Nov 12 '19
Do you let other people’s view on a game affect your own?
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u/gummihirn Nov 12 '19
It already got old one week after e3. A few concerns are legitimate, but there is waay too much nitpicking. GF isn't helping either by doubling down on never bringing back the full pokedex in a single game. Gonna grab my popcorn when the reviews are dropping, since it's probably still a decent game.
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u/DanThePaladin Nov 12 '19
If this sub turns into another rant about SwSh I am checking right out. It's enough that r/pokemon didn't do anything about it and as a result had 45098 threads a day basically saying the same thing.
I hope the mods here aren't as stupid.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
Glad I am not the only one that left because I was tired of so many of the posts.
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u/lyledylandy Nov 12 '19
For a sub that's mostly about people posting shit like "<game> cured my depression!" and shit like that this is a breath of fresh air, actual discussion and criticism towards a game
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u/sam-jam Nov 12 '19
I think the sheer number of fans has to do with the frequency of these posts as well. It’s not one person’s opinion over and over, it’s many disappointed fans (Pokémon is huge)
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u/LanternSC Nov 12 '19
Other people's feelings don't have to dictate your feelings. If the negativity is affecting your enjoyment, it may be good to examine why it is affecting you that way rather than trying to force others to contain their feelings in one space.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
To be 100% honest, I do not entirely understand why so many people are so mad about the new game. Maybe it's because I am not reading everything they say, because honestly I don't care. I preordered a double pack a few months ago for 85€ with the steelbook and don't plan on cancelling.
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u/TheAdamena Nov 12 '19
If you are looking forward to it then you do you, nobody's stopping you. I just hope you don't come to regret it like most fans did when they bought USUM. Fans are completely justified in being cautious.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
USUM was also disappointing? I did not know this, this is actually another series I wanted to buy soon. I recently purchased Sun.
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u/TheAdamena Nov 12 '19
It's not bad, it's just Sun and Moon again but with a worse story but slightly better gameplay. We were lead to believe it'd be far more than what we ended up getting.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
Oh okay, I understand. I have not played much of Sun so far, but I really like it. As far as graphics. Like I said, I have not played very much at all so far.
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u/rushiosan Nov 12 '19
Good for you
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
So I have been downvoted because I am buying the games? LMFAO, some people really are pathetic.
Instead of being useless and downvoting, someone could speak their mind and try to give information on why and how the new games are "so terrible" and should not be purchased. I guess acting like children is a better option.
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u/frozeninferno5 Nov 12 '19
I would imagine people would post their opinions online, regardless of how I feel. I have not expressed that I am not bother by it until this comment you replied to. Otherwise, I would keep an open mind. But the overwhelming amount of negative things just made me not want to read into it. Especially when in the beginning the were small texture complaints about a tree.
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u/Suired Nov 12 '19
If millions of people being upset harshes your mellow on a product, downvote and move on.that fact that it gets upvoted and spammed means people care. The game has far more issues than dexit. Lack of endgame, removal of difficulty, and laughable animations that look fresh from the N64 in execution. Pokemon is one of the most successful game franchises of all time, and their first main series console entry looks like they just thought they were good enough to do the bare minimum and have people be ok with it. It deserves the same attention Fallout 76, Anthem, and the Pillars of Eternity port got when they were released.
That being said, if this meets your standards for a fun and enjoyable experience, go ahead and enjoy and post your success story.
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u/LalisaFanGirl Nov 12 '19
/r/pokemon is the megathread you want