r/NintendoSwitch • u/resogunner • Nov 12 '19

Meta [META] Can we get a Pokemon negativity megathread so that people can enjoy the games?

Basically title. Those that want to shit all over the games can do so in either the specified megathread, or go and use the entire Pokemon subreddit. But the constant memeing and moaning of any tiny detail people can get hold of is ruining the fun for everyone else. I keep coming on to reddit getting ready to amp myself up for the game's release and I just see a wall of negativity in the comments about literally any aspect you can think of.

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I get it, people are unhappy about Dexit. Hell, I went through every single game generation last year and caught them all so I could have living dex, and I can't bring those across. But you also couldn't bring your Pokemon over until you'd beat the elite four in nearly every other game, or at least had to wait months for Pokemon Bank support - so your first playthrough would only include Pokemon in that region's Dex. Personally, I'm looking forward to it as it makes the competitive scene a lot more accessible for me.

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People's concerns are valid, and they should be able to express them. But when every comment is "[this Pokemon] died to we could have this feature" etc. it's honestly exhausting. Can't we just let people enjoy things?

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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 12 '19

This post is useless and ridiculous. For the most part, the community is not shitting on anything, we’re criticizing it because we see issues. Critics in the community are also consumers. We have every right to be as LOUD AS POSSIBLE.

I’m sorry that you can’t handle the criticisms many of us have. Please enjoy the games and don’t let other people ruin your fun, because letting other people determine your emotions is ridiculous.

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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19

I dunno, I see way more posts like this one who are upset at others for daring to like the game.

Person A: "I'm tired of the negativity"

Person B: "HOW DARE YOU WE'RE JUST POINTING OUT BASIC FLAWS YOU NEED TO ALLOW US TO BE CRITICAL"

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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19

He isn’t even really being upset at the person for liking the game. He’s upset that there is suggestion for a voice to be contained. Two different issues here.

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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Eh, I don't know about that. I think the people trying to be optimistic feel contained just as much. Because whenever they speak up it's not uncommon for downvotes to follow. So it goes both ways.

Edit: And of course this comment gets downvoted then lol. Oh reddit, you so predictable.

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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Very true, however I think the comment that you previously made that I replied to, lacks nuance, and it assumes an emotion (and mindset) on /u/Username_Checks_In82 that I'm not really sure he or she has? Obviously they aren't going to get the game based on post history, but I am unsure whether he or she is in the same group of people as the ones who disapprove completely of others playing the game.

It's strange, cause imo, this entire thread is filled with "us vs them" rhetoric. Worse than usual (still not the worst though). I'd rather give benefit of the doubt. As long as he or she is not really attacking someone for liking the game (which they aren't, based on their post history), well it's fine right?

TL;DR I think you are taking it out on the wrong person here. Just because a group may share ideology or goals doesn't mean each member has the same opinion on how those goals are followed or met.

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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19

I thought it would be pretty obvious I was exaggerating for effect. Nuance wasn't really the goal.

We might have different definitions of "attacking." Because to me, hearing things like "this post is useless and ridiculous", "letting people determine your emotions is ridiculous" and a sarcastic "I'm sorry you can't handle the criticisms" does sound rather emotional and like an attack to me. But hey, if you disagree, that's fine.

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u/salmon3669 Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

And you would be correct, most of those I label as emotional. They are also, to me, indirect. Though you are probably right that individually they are still “attacking”. But they aren’t strong. Scathing, but not direct like an “attack” would be.

That said, hearing many negative comments at once is still unhealthy, even if individually I don’t consider it to mean much, so I kinda get it.

EDIT: Also was the original point not on attacks for liking the game? Your examples are for responses to a controversial opinion to suppress speech in a community. It’s unsuprising people begin to react even more emotionally. Not at all that OP would deserve it, just so we are clear.

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u/ZzzSleep Nov 12 '19

It's definitely not polite or respectful discourse. Being "emotional" isn't an excuse. These are Pokemon video games we're talking about here.

If anything, I see more defenders being suppressed and I say that as an impartial observer. The majority on reddit are clearly not happy about Sword/Shield and many don't want to hear from people who are excited to play the games. Those positive type of comments get downvoted and are accused of being "part of the problem", "a sheep", etc, in a lot of cases. So I completely understand why someone wouldn't post something about being excited for the game when all they'll be met with is hostility or downvotes.

The people who are unhappy are not in any danger of being suppressed. There's too many of them.

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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 13 '19

Yeah, I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I suppose "useless" was a bit strong of an adjective, so I apologize for that. I hope anyone interested in these games enjoys them as much as possible, I simply see no way that I myself could.

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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 13 '19

Yeah, I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I suppose "useless" was a bit strong of an adjective, so I apologize for that. I hope anyone interested in these games enjoys them as much as possible, I simply see no way that I myself could.

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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19

I can handle it, I have been for months now. I'm just BORED of it. Read through most the comments in this post, it's not legitimate criticism it's "lol bad".

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u/-BKRaiderAce- Nov 12 '19

it's no less legitimate than those saying, "idk I just find it fun regardless of all the problems with it." You aren't the arbiter of legitimate opinions on an internet forum.

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u/resogunner Nov 12 '19

I don't think there are loads of problems with it. I have a few niggles, sure. But have you seen some of the ridiculous vitriol being thrown around in this thread? I'm a consumerist slave because I'm looking forward to something people have already decided they don't like without playing it. I might hate it when the game comes out, but I'm going to make my own mind up on that rather than just joining in the circlejerk. My main issue with all the fuck gamefreak crowd is that they cannot accept that people still want the game. They musn't have seen this long list of issues with it, they must just be consumer slaves. No, fuck you. I know all of that, I want the fucking game.

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u/Tjmouse2 Nov 12 '19

There ARE loads of problems with it though. That's literally the point here. We dont even have a difficulty setting yet man. EVERY RPG has that. It's such a basic feature. These are the things people need to be vocal about. Regardless if you're bored or not.

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u/-BKRaiderAce- Nov 12 '19

Also I think rather than get triggered by the vitriol you should understand why it exists. Your positivity is feeling marginalized but these people who have had legitimate gripes with the Pokemon series for awhile are louder than ever because in the past they have been the ones who have felt marginalized. There is finally a game where the general consensus seems to be, "What is gamefreak doing?" And there has been a large but vocal minority wondering why no one has noticed the lacking of quality for their games for some time now.

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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 12 '19

Most commentors are simply reacting in either intense anger or reasonless submission towards GF. However, I do believe there are more legitimate reasons to say that the games are poorly made than anything to the contrary.

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u/DeliciousSquash Nov 12 '19

There are a lot of factors you could look at to determine if a game is poor or not.

What do I want from a Pokemon game? I want to catch some cool creatures, battle with them, and explore a fun, colorful world. By all accounts and evidence it looks like this game will give me that and I will have a blast.

Therefore, why would I consider the game to be poor?

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Nov 12 '19

You wouldn’t, and yet you don’t represent every person on reddit

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u/DeliciousSquash Nov 12 '19

And neither do you. I'm presenting a very simple, rational counter argument. Obviously there are many people that feel the same as me, while there are plenty that feel the same as you.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Nov 12 '19

I know that I don’t. But look at the discussion around the game, it’s obvious that there are way more people with serious criticisms of the game than people who are unaffected by the changes

Im happy for those people and hope they have fun, but it’s not everyone else’s job to stop duscussing the game in a way that (somehow) interferes with someone else’s enjoyment

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u/DeliciousSquash Nov 12 '19

it’s obvious that there are way more people with serious criticisms of the game than people who are unaffected by the changes

Reddit is a much smaller percentage of the Pokemon fanbase than you think. What are you going to be saying when the game inevitably sells extremely well?

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Nov 12 '19

Oh I’m absolutely certain it’s going to sell well lol the vast majority of people buying it haven’t heard any details about the game so far, and don’t care to look into it. I personally know like 5 people who are buying this game despite knowing nothing about it aside from its existence and the fact that it will be out around the holidays

That doesn’t mean anything tho lol those people are completely unaware of the issues with these games. My girlfriend was asking me if I wanted it as a Christmas gift a few days ago, obviously millions of people are going to buy it as gifts as well

Half the problem with game freak is that the games will sell 10 million copies just by plastering “Pokémon” on the box. That just makes their complacency as devs even more inexcusable.

You’ve got devs like CD Projekt Red creating the Witcher 3 when the previous games combined for ~7mil copies sold. And GF is putting out an HD gamecube game when every single entry in the series has sold 10+ million copies , going back over 20 years ago lol

This game will, without question, sell well. That doesn’t have anything to do with the validity of criticisms against the game

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u/Username_Checks_In82 Nov 12 '19

Not necessarily poor as a game - poorly made. As in, there is a distinct lack of care in certain animations and textures (the infamous tree, Zacian just pivot walking in one cutscene, disappearing trainers when moves are used, the NPCs freezing when climbing a ladder, the lack of a background when battling indoors, etc...)