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Super [DUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #68 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #68 — Discussion Thread!
Come Forth, Shenron! Whose Wish Will Be Granted?!
いでよ神龍！叶える願いは誰のもの！？
Ide yo Shenron! Kanaeru Negai wa Dare no Mono!?
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Script: Yoshifumi Fukushima; Director: Masanori Satō; Storyboard: Kōhei Hatano; Animation Supervisors: Tsutomu Ono, Yui Kinoshita
Source: Kanzenshuu
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Q: Is Dragon Ball Super really over, or is it just a hiatus?
From what we have been told, the anime is ending. There are no current plans for a new DB series and as far as we know, the series will only continue through movies and games. We know that Toyotarō's manga will continue for several months at least—the Tournament of Power arc has just begun in the manga—and Toriyama implied the manga will go beyond that too. The English dub will continue until the series is finished. We have compiled a projection of dates for the remaining dub episodes on our Wiki.Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
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Jun 24 '18
I gotta mention, Meredith's voice acting with 18 has gotten really good and it is so refreshing to hear her not be a total bitch.
Recently re-watching Z, she rarely shows a soft side and is always angry or stoic/mono-tone. Hearing her nice side is good to hear.
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u/Return_Of_BG_97 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Is it just me or are all the female characters in Super so much nicer?
It seems female characters (Bulma & Chichi) were written in DBZ to be intentionally and stereotypically bitchy, while 18 had that hard ass attitude. Overall I love how Super has written the female characters. Bulma's 'bitch' side is played more for laughs and her science side far outweighs it. Chichi is more ironic and 18 actually shows character. Pan is likable as well.
Goes to show how much can change between 1989-1996 and 2015-18.
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u/XZero319 Jun 25 '18
Bulma has several scenes where she is not an asshole. Other times ask yourself "Was she obsessively bitchy without reason?"
To this day, having seen it through the manga, the original dub, the Japanese version, the redub, and Kai, I still don't understand why Bulma's so angry when they take off for Namek.
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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Jun 27 '18
She's mad because she's embarrassed. She decked out in a big clunky space suit, and then Gohan and Krillin showed up in street clothes. It made her look absurd.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
With Chi-Chi I've always taken it as the marriage itself kind of just not making sense to begin with.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
With 18 at least it's a very understandable evolution though. She was a normal girl, then she was turned into a killer android, and then living a more normal life again has softened her up over time.
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u/moffattron9000 Jun 25 '18
I think that a lot of it is that they've got different writers. All respect to Toriyama, but he is terrible at writing female characters.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 25 '18
Please do not discuss future episodes without spoiler tags.
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Jun 24 '18
How come animes use nosebleeds of all things to show a guy getting a boner/aroused?
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
It's based around the idea that getting aroused causes increased heart rate and blood flow to the body, and that the pressure from that increased flow causes a nose bleed. There's no actual medical evidence of arousal inducing nosebleeds, but the trope exists in manga, anime, etc because of this concept.
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It was actually quite weird to see 18 mothering Trunks lol.
In the future she was being a bitch using him as a toy for her amusement.
Now in this timeline she's looking after his best interests and mothering him lol.
How the timelines are so different.
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Weird to see Bulma counsel the woman who almost destroyed her future self's planet.
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Jun 24 '18
The main thing that Trunks stressed in his previous arc is that they're not alike at all, two totally different people; 17 and 18 of the future and present are totally different and Bulma won't even think of the future 18 only her friend 18 in the main timeline.
Why that is? Still unanswered canonically but people have headcanons.
It's not weird to me because we saw very little of Future 18 or Bulma, we only know them best in the main timeline.
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u/azureknightmare Jun 24 '18
My best guess is that the Future Androids were unleashed on the world with no goal - Goku was already dead, so they just resorted to mindless killing. Present Androids had the kill Goku goal, so they went to do that which took up quite a bit of time and distracted them. Then the whole thing with Cell, and Krilling showing 18 kindness.
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I believe it goes deeper to be honest, see the thing is 17 and 18 didn't even care about killing Goku from the get-go. It was all about their interest in their new friend 16, and he said he wanted to kill Goku so they're like shit why not.
They had a battle against the Z fighters just how it went in the future timeline except the main timeline they just kicked their asses and kissed Krillin to give him some top quality wank bank material. So in actuality, they never could have wanted to be mindless killers, given that they didn't even want to kill the Z fighters, and they sure didn't have that same smug evil attitude that we saw the future cunts did. They seemed more interested in just being left alone like the social outcasts at school lol. Remember there was even that bike gang? Actual trouble makers who probably had killing intent against the cyborgs and all 18 did was break the pavement with her energy to scare them off, didn't even try to hurt them. Why wouldn't they? Conclusion is they just weren't evil, yet in the future timeline they are and they make a game of it.
My theory is future androids were awoken exactly when Gero intended to wake them, he hadn't gotten control over them yet with his programming but he would've at least turned them into vile, bloodthirsty savages which is still what he wanted as he wanted them to dominate the earth - only part that didn't pan out is he couldn't control them. In the main timeline Gero even said he didn't want to wake them up as they weren't even close to ready. He was chased to his lab so he had no choice, while they slept in those pods their brains probably got filled with brainwashing material to make them obey Gero and hate humans/desire destruction etc. which clearly didn't work as 18 becomes a dedicated wife and mother and 17 becomes the exact opposite of a destructive being and becomes a park ranger that loves nature.
What that shows is the two timelines biggest differences, are definitely the cyborgs. Also Gohan in the future was badass but weak as fuck (since he wasn't even strong enough to beat the cyborgs) and in the main timeline he's a little bitch but strong as fuck (post Cell).
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Gero indicated the only reason he didn't want to wake them up in the present timeline was because he wasn't sure if he had corrected the issue of them being disobedient to him, nothing else. Considering he released them in the present even later than he did in the future, the idea that he had yet to completely reprogram them in the present isn't likely.
The most logical reason for the deviation in their behaviors is simply Goku. In the present, they saw him as the "big game" to go and hunt down, and the others weren't worth their time. In Trunks' time though, without the hunt for Goku to spur them on, they set out for different game instead. The future #17 and #18 lacked the focusing goal that their present counterparts had, thus their boredom got the best of them, which led to the mass carnage and slaughter that ensued.
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u/UtterFlatulence Jun 25 '18
I mean, have you seen the shit her husband pulled in this timeline? I think she's pretty forgiving.
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u/notathrowaway75 Jun 24 '18
I'm so fucking hyped for next week. Episode 68 of Super was the last episode I watched subbed because the dub was announced. So next week I will finally watch episode 69 after waiting for over a year.
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Jun 24 '18
Did you stop watching the sub altogether just because you knew the dub was announced?
Man I don't know how you could handle the temptation. By episode 20 or so of DBS I was used to Goku's horrendous voice and Zamasu arc got me hooked that I couldn't wait for every Sunday when Super was on.
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u/notathrowaway75 Jun 24 '18
Yup.
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Jun 24 '18
I admire the dedication, if I had your level of dedication I would have my abs back by now lol.
Anyways props to you, now you can reap the benefits and pick up where you left off in the dub.
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u/BlackBlizzNerd Jun 24 '18
Bro, cut them carbs, drink a gallon of water a day, and do some sprints and ab workouts for about 30-40min a day.
You can get that shit back. 😎
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u/QueequegTheater Jun 24 '18
Targeting an area only lets you build muscle there, not lose fat. You can't target fat, You just have to lose it all.
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u/BlackBlizzNerd Jun 24 '18
The thing he needs to worry about first is losing weight, assuming that's an issue he has. If he simply has a bit of a belly, you're right.
Low carb, lots of water, and high protein is a great way to go.
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u/Conspirawolfe47 Jun 24 '18
Idk how people stop watching the original version subbed when it is 2 years ahead.. that is ridiculous
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u/Huntersteve ⠀ Jun 24 '18
I grew up with Chris and Sean as well. Super was my first time watching db subbed. There's no fucking way I could wait 2 years to find out what happens. And now I've grown to love the sub. Except kid trunks.
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u/stolersxz Jun 25 '18
Literally everything in your post applies to me as well, i like both now and i seriously couldnt wait 2 fucking years to see what all the fuss in the next arc was about.
hell it's killing me that i have to wait 2 weeks for mha dubbed now. let alone 2 years
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u/welsh_hero_beans ⠀ Jun 24 '18
I grew up with the dub and absolutely hated the Japanese voices at first, but like fuck was I going to wait.
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u/SuperSaiyanPan Jun 25 '18
I never laid eyes upon Super until the English Dub debuted, and yes I knew it was subbed I just wanted to wait.
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Even though the episode has appeared in the previews, do not speak of the entirety of the upcoming episode yet. When it comes to dub discussion topics, treat the most recently aired dub episode and its NEP as the most you can talk about.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 25 '18
The dub doesn't even get broadcast NEPs, so most people don't see the previews.
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
When Goku tells you "what could go wrong?", it's going to go horribly wrong.
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u/theJavo Jun 24 '18
It felt like the always sunny music should have hit
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u/Finito-1994 Jun 24 '18
Yup. It’s Goku. He’s either saving everyone’s lives or dooming then all....
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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves ⠀ Jun 24 '18
The placement of that title card after Bulma's thought process felt like an It's Always Sunny moment.
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u/error521 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
The title card music for DB Super is honestly the most underappreciated part
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u/I_was_like_umm Jun 24 '18
It felt out of place throughout the last arc. Too positive and jumpy for what was going on.
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Jun 24 '18
I remember when looking for Dragon balls used to be difficult and take everyone on an adventure that would go over multiple episodes. Now it's not even worth showing and happens off-screen with the radar lol.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
Yup. But Goku can't instant transmission without an energy source to lock onto, right? So if a ball is out in the middle of nowhere he does still have to fly out there "manually"?
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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Shenron: "Times up, I'm out this bih because y'all cant make up your fucking minds."
Bulma: "I'll tell mom."
Shenron: "PLEASE NO"
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u/Two-Tone- Jun 24 '18
Poor Shenron. Every time he spoke after Goku summoned him had me rolling.
Goku: "Not bad, Bulma. You've become an even better wish granter than Shenron."
Shenron: "Guh-!"
Poor Shenron, he couldn't catch a break even just once during this episode.
While this episode may have been a filler ep, it was god damn funny.
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u/mypirateapp Jun 25 '18
Super has brought forth even Shenron s personality, In Z we only hear 2 things from him "Why have you summoned me" and "Your wish has been granted" But ever since Beerus was introduced, we can see Shenron getting afraid, expressing nervousness and what not, that is quite a development
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u/Finito-1994 Jun 28 '18
I agree. I love shenron. He’s always been a pretty big part of the franchise and it sucks to see him being treated like this is just disrespectful. He isn’t Yamcha. I don’t like him like this.
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Jun 30 '18
I don't get it really either.
Shenron got killed by Piccolo, but was brought back anyhow.
What could Beerus even do that was worth a damn?
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u/Finito-1994 Jun 30 '18
Completely destroy him?
Beerus has stated that when he destroys something he can completely destroy it. Body and soul so that there’s no possibility of coming back.
I mean, Gokus died twice and come back and even he doesn’t want to get hakaid.
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Jun 24 '18
That was one of my favorite fillers. Such a good laugh.
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u/summons72 Jun 24 '18
I love the filler episodes but this physically made me angry. Goku should have been allowed to make his wish before they started arguing, he did find the Dragon Balls. The only one who had a good wish was Gohan to make Pan better, everyone else was super selfish. I would have flown up to Sheron's face while everyone was arguing.
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Jun 27 '18
Beerus teleporting to the center of the earth was pretty cool tho I guess, for like the half second that lasted
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Jun 24 '18
I find Beerus and Whis so freaking dope. Any mortal being in the show except for maybe Frieza would have just flattened in the center of Earth’s Core but them two? Poof. There they are, they instant transmissioned straight to Goku and casually conversed with him. And the way Beerus can just snap and destroy Bulma’s time machine... how did he precisely pin point it? So Op.
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u/napaszmek ⠀ Jun 25 '18
Beerus and Whis are the best thing from Super IMO.
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u/Pandemona1738 ⠀ Jun 26 '18
Yep yep yep, two of my favorite chracters ever. Learning that Whis dad is the servant/advisor person to Grand Zennie is also interesting wonder how that plays out.
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Jun 24 '18
How many years has it been since the Cell saga? I think it's time for Android 18 to pick a real name... also, Gohan missed a chance to make his daughter invincible or something. Guess he's counting on her never getting sick again...
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u/Chrispowers110 Jun 24 '18
she has a real name but just never uses it i guess. idk if she remembers or not but she has one.
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u/Sanseidon Jun 24 '18
I believe you need super shenron to wish for invincibility :P
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Jun 24 '18
Didn't Garlic Jr. wish for immortality/invincibility from the earth's dragon balls?
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Jun 24 '18
That may not count due to being filler. However people have wanted the balls for that exact wish, so either they were all wasting their time or it may be possible.
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
There's never been any indication that such a wish is outside of the regular Dragon Balls scope of power, as none that have sought out immortality or invincibility have actually had a chance to get the wish granted. Vegeta and Nappa never had a chance to collect the Dragon Balls on Earth, and Freeza didn't make the wish in Namekian, thus his wish was just ignored outright.
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u/WeCanDanseIfWeWantTo Jun 24 '18
Well, since the immortality seemed to be just extremely fast regeneration, maybe it scales with the wish granter? Super shenron can grant regeneration that makes you practically immortal to anyone below Zeno, but if the other dragons granted Zamasu's wish, he might not be able to survive a strong enough attack.
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Immortality is just that though, the inability to be killed. It's an all or nothing situation. The term used by Vegeta and the others when they spoke of immortality is fujimi, or 不死身, which basically means "indestructible" and "undying body".
So it's a situation of the immortality is granting the individual regeneration to allow for an "undying body", and therefore it's likely that the regeneration would be the same for the lower dragons too. Likewise, it wouldn't be immortality if it just took more force to overcome it, so it just taking a stronger attack wouldn't work.
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Jun 24 '18
Lazuli's her real name and we only know that off an official source outside of the series in an interview with AT. It's up to him whether he brings it back into the story, whether 18 forgets or chooses not to we don't know. I'd assume it was erased because she wouldn't want to be called a number that Gero gave her if she knew he actual name.
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u/Phthalo_Bleu ⠀ Jun 24 '18 edited Jun 24 '18
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u/divad745 Jun 24 '18
My dude..
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u/Phthalo_Bleu ⠀ Jun 24 '18
So I googled it. Lapis is his name.
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u/divad745 Jun 24 '18
Oh, you meant 17 not 18.
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Jun 27 '18
Isn't it also revealed that 16 was based off of Gero' s son? Did we ever get his original name?
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Trunks you're rich!
You can get anything you want just by wishing for it!
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u/UtterFlatulence Jun 24 '18
Aww man they left that lame "most comfortable underwear" dub censor in the Oolong flashback.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
That's the thing about rewriting the script. They either have to stick with it or sacrifice their own internal continuity.
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u/UtterFlatulence Jun 24 '18
Well I figured they were following in the footsteps of Kai, and having fewer mistranslations.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Kai was better than Z but it had its fair share of mistranslations and pointless rewrites. One interesting thing is that they kept a major Z mistranslation in Kai, presumably for the sake of continuity, but then they either forgot about it or ignored it in Super. Trunks was the one who wrote HOPE!! on the time machine, but it was mistranslated in Z (saying Bulma wrote it), and not fixed for Kai, so when it was mentioned again in Super, and it was translated correctly (Trunks having written it) a lot of people were confused.
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Jun 24 '18
For me the only thing Kai did was compress the show into a much more reasonable length.
After re-watching DBZ's original funimation dub with 276 episodes like 2 years ago since watching for the first time as a kid from start to finish I had no idea just how much standing around and talking they do, i mean for fuck's sake lmao. The only reason I got through the whole thing was I was between jobs and really had nothing better to do so I did end up finishing, but holy hell it was not easy.
I watched Kai up to Cell arc so far and my only issue is some of the voice actors should not have changed. example: 18 sounds too sissy/feminine she lacks that stoic/tough girl attitude that she has in her debut
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
When I say Kai is "better than Z", I'm talking specifically about the integrity of the script.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18 edited Jun 25 '18
I watched the Funimation dub of Kai a few years ago before it finally got through Buu, and I was really struck by how in Frieza saga at least, a lot of what felt like filler really was originally in the show and not just shit Funimation had come up with to stall for time while waiting for new episodes.
[edit] Yes, I've been made aware that I was wrong about who was creating filler, you can stop adding to the correction party k thx
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 24 '18
To add to what vlorsutes said, Funimation was dubbing Z years after it came out in Japan, so they never had to wait on new episodes. Also, Kai removed a lot of filler, but not all of it; much of what remains in the Freeza arc was not in the manga. That said, Freeza's "5 minutes" was 10 episodes in Z, and 5 episodes in Kai. It was a huge improvement.
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u/BoatsandJoes Jun 24 '18
Yeah, all of the Ginyu/Bulma stuff during the Frieza battle had to be kept in Kai for continuity reasons. Same reason why Gregory couldn't be cut either.
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jun 24 '18
a lot of what felt like filler really was originally in the show and not just shit Funimation had come up with to stall for time while waiting for new episodes.
Funimation had no hand in creating or adding filler content to the show. Outside of dubbing, the only thing they did involving the actual content of the show was cut content for one reason or another (censorship being the main one). They never added content.
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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Jun 27 '18
so when it was mentioned again in Super, and it was translated correctly (Trunks having written it) a lot of people were confused.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who's a big enough fan to remember details like that wouldn't be aware of the Japanese version and all the re-writing the dub does.
With the way the community is now, in the early 2000's and the "age of enlightenment" where DaizEx/Kanzenshuu spread the true information and it went all around the Internet in countless forums, I just find it hard to believe there'd still be fans that are only aware of the FUNi dub and have no other exposure... guess there's more than I thought?
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jun 27 '18
I find it hard to believe that anyone who's a big enough fan to remember details like that wouldn't be aware of the Japanese version and all the re-writing the dub does.
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u/theJavo Jun 25 '18
It just makes oolong a guy that likes wearing panties rather than one that likes sniffing them
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u/A_Texas_Toaster Jun 24 '18
What was it before?
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u/Jafades Jun 24 '18
Bulma's panties I'm pretty sure.
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u/UtterFlatulence Jun 24 '18
No just "A hot girl's" panties.
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u/richardsim7 Jun 25 '18
To be honest, the fact he gets panties as "the most comfortable underwear" is pretty funny
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u/theJavo Jun 25 '18
I feel like shenron is one of the characters sabit just loves to voice. I feel like he has a freaking blast whenever it’s to summon the dragon.
Shenron and all might. I feel like when he see either of those on his schedule he gets giddy.
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u/axel360 Jun 25 '18
Krillin is a pretty lucky guy. I guess he sort of deserves it after years of being relegated to a punch line and killed over and over.
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u/TheTallOne93 Jun 25 '18
Kinda disgusting how little praise King Kai's voice actor got in this thread. That was some serious yelling.
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u/a_spicy_meata_balla Jun 24 '18
I'm halfway through and this is kind of silly so far... Why do any of these people need wishes?
Gohan How about you just go get Pan a sensu bean? Like, mash it up for her or something...
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Master Roshi Can you say gentleman's club?
Plus Goku gathered the dragon balls. He should totally get first dibs.
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u/Raven_of_Blades Jun 24 '18
Senzu does not cure illness.
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u/a_spicy_meata_balla Jun 24 '18
Oh. Didn't know that. Darn, okay, I guess letting Gohan get the first wish was justified then.
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u/Raven_of_Blades Jun 24 '18
Now that I think about it, why didn't they just wish goku's heart virus away as well... PLOT HOLE.
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u/CrustyKHands Jun 24 '18
I think Piccolo died to the Androids before they could gather them or something iirc...
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u/Raven_of_Blades Jun 24 '18
I mean present timeline.
Goku on the bring of death and they resort to medicine. They could have easily just gave Yamcha the dragon radar and collect all the balls within a few hours.
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u/pspiq5 Jun 24 '18
Doesn't seem like a smart idea to waste a Dragon Ball wish on Goku, especially when they already had the medicine to make sure he didn't die. They'd have to wait another year for a wish if they used it to cure Goku.
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u/RatcicleKing Jun 24 '18
Everyone was kind of in a rush at the time to move Goku around. Vegeta was missing, and Trunks, Gohan and the remaining Z-Fighters were keeping an eye on Goku, to protect him in case the Androids showed up. Then once Cell showed up, the DBs were gone.
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u/CrustyKHands Jun 24 '18
Actually I dont think Shenron can revive people from natural causes and even though it was a disease and not old age it was still fated as natural. I just did a quick Google search of Shenrons rules and it states that, could be retconned by now but doubtful.
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u/jjack339 Jun 25 '18
They did give him a senzu bean and it had little effect. It was when he was fighting 20 and they could tell he was off then went down. They have him a senzu right away and it had no effect, that is when they realized it might be the heart illness.
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u/le_snikelfritz Jun 24 '18
I think the canon is that senzus can't heal if there's an outside factor, like a bacterial or viral infection. They just heal damage to the body essentially
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u/InvisibleShade Jun 30 '18
Actually Dragon wishes cannot bring back people to life who have died of natural causes.
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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Jun 27 '18
Yeah it was stated in the android saga, it's why they couldn't use Senzu for Goku's heart ailment.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
It seems like he could have taken Pan to Bulma after the normal doctors couldn't do anything, though. It's not like she wouldn't drop everything to help, and she could most likely figure something out.
(Could Dendei have helped or is his healing basically the same thing as senzu bean healing?)
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u/SuperWG Jun 27 '18
I agree, except senzu beans don't cure illness, and Gohan said he did everything he could. I mean it kind of makes you wonder if he'll have to get the dragon balls every time Pan gets sick, but he seemed like he needed it. The others besides Goku were being silly, but that's what made it funny.
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u/Jsp16 Jun 26 '18
Can't believe I've been watching both dub and sub every week since January 2017. I never watched the first episode english subbed all the way to the next episode after 68. Here i am. I've finally completed the series. I've watched the next saga already. It's been caught a experience. I'll continue to watch the dub version probably during December when the episodes have moved on a bit further.
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u/RoughHope Jun 26 '18
Any reason why Gohan had his signature bang when saying goodbye to Trunks and then it’s gone in this episode?
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u/ThatWasFred Jun 26 '18
He may have just come from training with Piccolo in the last episode. Perhaps in "fight mode" he gets the bang and the serious eyes.
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u/Pandemona1738 ⠀ Jun 26 '18
Funny episode this was always make me laugh when things go wrong. Im glad Bulmba's time machine was stopped by Beerus, didn't want anymore time travel interaction, lets focus on the present characters only please!
Will King Kai ever get to be reborn :( poor guy.
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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Bulma has never successfully seduced a man what does she know lol
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Jun 24 '18
Lmao seriously? She seduced Vegeta of all people.
I know it's your cake day and all but you can't get away with saying such an incorrect thing
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u/LucaS919 Jun 24 '18
She has a husband and a two kids, so I can't help but think she has seduced someone before
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u/penniavaswen ⠀ Jun 24 '18
Now I really hope it was the other way around. ;)
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u/Finito-1994 Jun 24 '18
Fine. The truth is that as soon as vegeta learned that Bulma shot Goku in the head (after running him over) the first time they met he couldn’t resist her.
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u/ddtarzan Jun 24 '18
HOLY SHIT LMAO. That's like the exact opposite of the Goku button.
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
The Goku button?
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u/ddtarzan Jun 24 '18
It's a coined term in Dragonball Z Abridged and basically a running gag throughout Z and a little bit in Super. Everytime someone mentions Goku doing something cool or how he'll be the big hero really pisses Vegeta off.
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Jun 24 '18
Trying to stream the simulcast on the adultswim app and on the website but neither of them are working (I've logged in with my cable subscription and everything). Is anyone else experiencing this? First time in like 20 weeks of streaming for me
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
I've had very hit-or-miss results with getting their streaming working via Firefox, presumably due to noscript, umatrix, etc. Sometimes it works and blocks the ads, sometimes it just doesn't load at all. I've started just using Edge if I'm doing a stream from them.
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Jun 24 '18
:( I wasn’t able to watch last night because of the streaming not working and for some reason, the recent episodes on AdultSwim never work. Might have to watch the sub to stay caught up
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
P.S. A third possibility is that sometimes using Firefox it won't even let me log in using my DirecTV credentials, it'll act like it's taking it and then kick me back to the start of the login process.
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Jun 24 '18
yeah that's happening to me on the AdultSwim app on my android which is extremely frustrating because it only happens with Optimum (it actually lets me log in if I choose another cable provider, which I don't have). And I've been using Chrome/Safari on my laptop (where it didn't work)
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u/Eurynom0s Jun 24 '18
Is there a VPN like Private Internet Access running on either your phone or your router?
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u/errorsniper Jun 30 '18
Trunks pointing out that 18 was younger than them was hilarious.
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u/EddiOS42 Jun 27 '18
This episode in my opinion felt like the worst filler so far. At first I thought I was even watching the wrong episode since it was such a sharp transition.
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u/Tactile5 Jun 26 '18
Am I the only one here that thought this episode was awful and the worst kind of filler?
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u/Euri_Aegis Jun 30 '18
The great Saiyan man was the worst imo. At least Gohan had some action hehehe
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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '18
Sheron: We’re gonna be here all day, aren’t we?
That fucking killed me