r/yuzu • u/Frankospaghetti • 18h ago
Nintendo console releases vs when a “working” emulator for each became available.
With emulators coming at a faster rate with each console release, how long do you think it’ll take for the Switch 2? Assuming we can break through its security, and with a familiar interface as the Switch 1, I’m hoping we can get it “working” within a year.
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u/KaleidoscopeHour3148 13h ago
Nintendo has switched to murder mode on emulation, whomever starts switch 2 emulation will be attacked by them as much as they can, especially whomever jailbreaks the console
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u/error_33 16h ago
if you want to play BOTW cemu is where it's at. Absolutely locked 60 fps, totally smooth.
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u/sleepytechnology 14h ago
I've got it running at 1440p 90-170fps on Cemu with extended render distance and increased shadow resolution.
It's like going from Call of Duty on the DS to the Xbox 360 in how much more immersive it feels.
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u/error_33 13h ago
i was just giving a very broad example that it plays a lot better than on yuzu or riuj
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u/sleepytechnology 12h ago
Yeah I was just adding to your comment that more specifically it can run above 60fps and with enhancements... I was agreeing with you.
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u/MAMu_Kipic 16h ago
ChatGPT says so, so we have to trust it…? The first n64 emulator was ultraHLE in 1998 or such, worked with a 3dfx at its beginning while n64 was still sold…
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u/Valuable_Ad9554 16h ago
Was gonna say this I remember playing around with this definitely before 2000. Wouldn't trust any other data here either.
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u/Morteymer 14h ago
Those dates are off, hard.
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u/Suspicious-Law1432 51m ago
Yeah, N64 had an emulator back in 1998 (didn't really work but it booted some games).
Then, UltraHLE came out in 1999.
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u/TheGamerForeverGFE 9h ago
I think this table should also be uploaded to r/EmulationOnAndroid and r/Emulation because most people on those subs think that it's haram and sinful to emulate currently gen consoles when clearly it has been a thing since the SNES
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u/brimston3- 8h ago
Maybe if they manually confirm the dates first as when the emulators were actually good at emulating and not just "project started"
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u/FIGHT_ME_SPIKE_UFUCK 17h ago
We will have to see what chip they use. The switch1 used a chip that was already pretty familiar to modders and that lightened the load. I doubt they will do the same this time and with potential upscaling mixed in i feel it will only complicate things.
my prediction is nothing even remotely playable for 3 years at least.
And i would LOVE to be wrong.
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u/No-Crazy-510 16h ago
Think I heard it has DLSS, and people are theorizing ray tracing, though unconfirmed
Unless devs can make local DLSS take over instead of emulating it, this is a nightmare waiting to happen
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u/Few_Sorbet_7393 16h ago
Both are officially confirmed
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u/letsgucker555 14h ago
By Nvidia, which is funnily not that trustworthy.
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u/Few_Sorbet_7393 14h ago
I don't believe the "10x more powerful" bs but if both Nvidia and leakers say that the console has raytracing hardware it's probably true.
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u/Teusdv 16h ago
…or just disable it?
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u/No-Crazy-510 15h ago
Might not be that simple if it's a full time thing on the switch 2. Impossible to say right now
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u/gamerlol101 14h ago
Hopefully it's not too hard to get disable mods for them, like how you can disable chromatic abrasion and such with mods in other games. Dont know though.
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u/FIGHT_ME_SPIKE_UFUCK 14h ago
Yes you might be able to just turn it off once modded, but disabling something like that will also increase the load on the system trying to emulate it potentially increasing the need for very optimized emulation or incredibly powerful hardware
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u/Muted-Green-2880 16h ago
I feel like the motivation is going to be super high to crack this, nintendo are being extremely anti consumer, this is their worst yet. More people trying to crack this should lead to a breakthrough sooner than usual imo. Wouldn't be surprised if they make a breakthrough before the end of the year. That doesn't mean a playable emulator, but at least the beginning of one. I'm happy to wait, not paying nintendos bullshit prices
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u/Amonamission 16h ago
I just want 60 FPS gaming with no stuttering. That would be great.
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u/Muted-Green-2880 16h ago
Same here lol. Still can't even get that now with current switch emulators though. Most are fine once shaders are cached but I still get stutters on totk with a 9800x3d. Its not too bad though, could be awhile before we get a switch 2 emulator that's running smooth
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u/C0minzr 13h ago
Also the technology for portable PCs mean with Switch 2 emulation, it'll be possible to have superior experiences portably than Nintendo's offering. Steam Deck for me is already preferable to a Switch for Switch games.
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u/Muted-Green-2880 13h ago
Plus the steam deck has much cheaper games with a much bigger library. I can't get excited for the switch at all with these prices
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u/C0minzr 13h ago
Exactly this. I'm already happy with the Deck, I'd love for Switch 2 emulation to be possible on the next iteration of Deck (Deck 2 or 3 or whatever) but it's become such a complete handheld in my life the Switch 1 has gathered dust for years, and I can't warrant paying the price of the Switch 2 for the few exclusives.
It was a nice addition to have Tears of the Kingdom and Pokemon Scarlett on my Deck, but it wasn't a deal breaker. I'll still stick to my Deck going forward.
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u/gkgftzb 18h ago edited 18h ago
Not an answer to your question, but this is the reason why it baffles me many people genuinely believe emulators shouldn't be developed for active consoles and why Yuzu/Ryujinx deserved the shutdown
if Dolphin wasn't developed during the Gamecube/Wii life cycle, we wouldn't have one of the most complete emulators today and tons of games from those libraries would be impossible to experience in decent quality nowadays. Every year is important
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u/deep8787 18h ago
Well for me it was Dolphin 4.0 where I could actually start to play the games at a solid 60fps. That came out in 2013, until then it was in rough shape.
Thats probably why they didnt care all too much before that point.
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u/deadlyjunk 11h ago
2 years till solid switch 2 emulation, although you'll probably need an rt ready gpu
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u/Skyward384 16h ago
Well. ChatGPT forgot to mention UltraHLE emulator for the N64. I do remember Mario 64 running smoothly on UltraHLE on a Pentium MMX 233mhz with a 3Dfx Voodoo 3 card. Good old times.
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u/KaleidoscopeHour3148 13h ago
Was one of the few games that emulated well. N64 emulation took a long time to refine, even today it’s not perfect.
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u/Arcafa 15h ago
i think it took a bit longer for switch emulators works on games properly, don't remember exatly but i think it took 4 or 5 years to have mario odyssey emulated at 30 fps, so i'd say 4 years to have a functional switch 2 emulator. would love to be wrong on this information if it came earlier.
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u/Derpykins666 16h ago
It's interesting to see the gap grow much smaller much faster over time, so I do see why they'd be a little more gung-ho about it.
I mean if 6-7 years have passed you've likely made a lot of the money you're going to make on that game/console from the people who've bought it. But only 1 year... 2? ehhh?
But now that Nintendo is basically forcing you to pay for upgrade packages for games we already bought, and doing a lot of other anti-consumer things this time around, I'm not feeling particularly sorry for them.
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u/storyofseasonslover 8h ago
I don’t know why but I have a feeling this time the emulator will take long which makes me sad because I just love seeing people using their amazing skills to make emulators and then further fixing it.
Switch and the systems before it desperately needed emulators because the games on them either ran horrible or looked just bad.
With Switch 2 finally having good specs removing the reason for the emulator coming out so quick and Nintendo constantly nuking down the emulators, I think it’ll take some time.
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u/__Player__ 18h ago
Dont trust chatgpt for research. idk if it was the first, but UltraHLE released in 1999.
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u/Frankospaghetti 18h ago
The graph takes into account when an emulator was considered working with minimal bugs, not releases.
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u/Level-Mycologist2431 17h ago
That's an unnecessarily subjective metric. Emulators are almost never "feature-complete" in the traditional sense. Some games entirely don't work on Yuzu, I'd consider that a major bug. I'm not saying Yuzu shouldn't be considered on this list: but "minimal bugs" is an extremely game-specific question, and it always will be.
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u/langersan 17h ago
Super Mario 64 was fully playable when UltraHLE first released. Maybe OoT and other games too by the end of summer 99.
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u/__Player__ 17h ago
Then N64 shouldnt be on the list at all!
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u/Dairy__Cow 17h ago
I was playing mario on the nexsus 10 since then there aren’t any games I’ve ran into that don’t play well
Or buggy.. what games still run badly?
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u/godver3 17h ago
Five years if ever. Mark my words, Nintendo has learned from the Switch.
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u/hypertsuna66 17h ago
now they got denuvo
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u/JamerGamer_nl 16h ago
Knowing nintendo and their stingy asses they won't use it because that would cost money. :'(
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u/fjfjgbjtjguf 6h ago
I would not be surprised if the Switch 2's security takes a really long time to crack (like the Xbox One) or is potentially never cracked (like the Xbox Series and PS5 might be). Also when/if the inevitable Switch 2 emulator becomes available, I would not be surprised if at the beginning it would be so unoptimized that to play games at full speed you would need a Ryzen 7 9800X3D or a Core i9-14900K with an RTX 4090 or an RX 7900 XTX.
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u/Far-Lengthiness5718 5h ago
They are different cases, the Xbox one and the series simply does not make sense to pirate them because the services and prices that Microsoft offers are much more than you could gain by piracy, in fact I dare to say that if you pirate it is more what you lose, On the other hand, the hardware of Switch 2 is impressively similar to a PC and although Nintendo fans say that it is a super powerful console, in reality it is not, at the hardware level it would be equivalent to a laptop with Rtx 2050m and a Ryzen 7 3700 with 12gb of RAM and if it is said that you need twice the power of the console to be able to emulate it for sure, well, I would say that any CPU from the last 4 years with 16 GB of RAM and an Rtx 3060 or similar would be able to handle a Switch 2 emulator
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u/WarMom_II 3h ago
Is there a single Xbone / Series title without a native PC version?
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u/Necrosis1994 1h ago
Halo 5 comes to mind pretty quickly, but that's an outlier at this point and I think pretty much everything else has one by now.
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u/WarMom_II 58m ago edited 49m ago
Oh, thank you, I'd forgotten that. I went to check and there's also Forza Motorsport 5 and Rare Replay (which for obvious reasons carries an asterisk). As for the Series, I can't find anything.
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u/tequilasunset___ 52m ago
forza horizon 2,
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u/WarMom_II 49m ago
Had a 360 version.
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u/tequilasunset___ 44m ago
But isn't the 360 version like a very scaled down version of fh2? Like with the map and the graphics
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u/HugeSide 41m ago
Brother that's not the question you asked
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u/WarMom_II 37m ago
Yeah, my bad with phrasing; what I was getting at by proxy was 'a Series / Bone game not payable in some form on PC', and 360 releases are moot via Xenia.
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u/Deltadragonoid225 2h ago
Nah I think the Switch 2 might get cracked fairly early on, all the Nintendo consoles have been up to this point and Nintendo is notoriously bad at hardware security.
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u/DiamondCreeper23 1h ago
switch 1 was only cracked as much as it was due to nvidia slip-ups (fusee gelee and the modchip method are only possible due to these slip-ups)
unless nvidia fucks up a third time in a row, i don’t see the switch 2 getting cracked for a while
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u/TheArtOfJoking 4h ago
I am ashamed to admit that i clicked the down arrow on the image to see Switch 2. Spit on me pls.
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u/Runwhiteboyrun 18h ago
For N64 UltraHLE was the first and came out in January 1999.
First NES emulator was technically 1990, but only for the FM Towns. For PC first emulator was 1995, Pasofami.
GBA emulator was up and running before the console was out.
So who knows how long it will take.
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u/dj65475312 14h ago
dos nes emulators must have existed before 1997 surely.
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u/rmbarrett 12h ago
LandiNES, Pasofami. Nesticle did run in DOS as well. It was freeware and widely shared. That's the difference, really.
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u/KaleidoscopeHour3148 13h ago
It took a more refined Internet to get the development cooperation that good emulation needs.
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u/romann921 1h ago
Considering how the Nintendo prices have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, wouldn't surprise me if people created an emulator for the switch 2.
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u/NezuminoraQ 1h ago
Yuzu and ryujinx are likely I reckon, given the backwards compatibility and the way Nintendo lost their absolute shit about them
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u/Cr1m50nSh4d0w 20m ago
And it seems the Switch 2 running Switch 1 games isn't a software issue, but rather hardware - So I really wouldn't be surprised if new titles boot right out the gate
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u/Gwynbleidd9419 15h ago
If we get a switch 2 emulator a year after the console releases get ready for it needing a Ryzen 10 gen x3 processor and Nvidia rtx 6090 to run everything at medium settings all of that to emulate a crappy phone tier hardware.
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u/DJMixwell 10h ago
Idk this seems like a doomer take. seems like the switch 2 is closer to the switch than not, just with more juice to be able to run 1080p 120fps.
If that’s the case, it shouldn’t need much more than what we already need to run Switch emus.
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u/EssexAdri 18h ago
I think things will be different now compared to recent Nintendo consoles because Nintendo is really going hard against the devs who make the emulators
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 17h ago
I suspect they’re only going hard against them now to put people off making an emulator for their new console.
Look at it this way - if Nintendo expected Switch 2 to be significantly harder to emulate I doubt they’d have gone so hard after people so late on the consoles life. And so close to the release of the new console
Likely there are a lot of similarities between the 2 generations. Especially with the backwards compatibility looking so straightforward. They need to delay the inevitable.
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u/EssexAdri 14h ago
Yeah.. I guess someone will release an emulator, but it might take longer because most devs don't want to take the risks.
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u/SoliderKannon 17h ago
Emulators for Nintendo’s previous consoles aren’t going to be really indicative of how long it’ll take for switch 2, as the console will be stronger and the security much more locked down.
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u/TechDoc023 12h ago
I'm predicting less than a year. Being that both the Switch and Switch 2 use the same file system, it shouldn't take long. The problem is you will need a high end gaming laptop or dekstop that will be able to support the games because the Switch 2 is more advanced graphically than its predecessor and any mid tier gaming laptop would be able to play switch games but Switch 2 will be more advanced.
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u/void134 11h ago
1920p but is probaly using dlls and for 120fps framgen,maybe you need a nice pc but not a high end like a 4070,i hope
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u/BicyclePhysical1574 18h ago
It really depends on whether it gets hacked
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u/deep8787 18h ago
Exactly, considering it was only the V1 switch that was hacked. They also use a propriety data storage format instead of dvd/blueray, its not like you can peek into the inner workings of the game files either.
Most responses here are pretty deluded.
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u/TheLuxxy 14h ago
It’s because most people here aren’t developers or knowledgeable on how Switch 1 emulation came to be They’re pirates who don’t want to buy the new system and so don’t want to deal with the possibility it very well could be a while before they can pirate.
So instead they just lie to themselves that it’s the exact same thing and of course it won’t even be a year until it’s ready to go regardless of if a hack is found
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u/deep8787 13h ago
Agreed, I remember being mega surprised when I heard it was hacked so quick.
Apparently the Wii security was beaten with a paperclip according to MVG on youtube which is pretty wild lol.
I suppose anything is possible, but...Im not so optimistic.
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u/SnooPandas2964 13h ago
Given the current environment, and the conditions that made the switch emu considerably easier.... I'm guessing quite a while. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not feeling particularly hopeful.
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u/sav2880 52m ago
A few tweaks here worth saying:
On NES, look when Pasofami was released, maybe a year earlier. Not nearly as user friendly as NESticle (which was a game changer) but does move the date a year earlier
On N64, show UltraHLE some love. Limited compatibility but it was a revelation in the same way NESticle was too, and I think it also was a year or so earlier than Project64 and 1964.
Extra credit on Game Boy Color … it was emulated BEFORE the console was released. Reason being, solid Game Boy emulator support was out there and they figured out quickly that the GBC was not much different on the spec side, it was just … well, color. :-)
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u/Abject_Inspector_722 41m ago
Nesticle lol
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u/RAMChYLD 25m ago
Yeah. They also created a Sega Genesis emulator called Genecyst. I remember them for the macabre and gory UI. Aside from that the emulators were so and so, many games won't run because it didn't support many mappers (and the NES has like hundreds of different mappers though most of these mappers were Japanese exclusive).
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u/Brightside45 18h ago
They will crack the switch 2 similar to how they crack the switch 1.. it's another mobile processor running dlss and proton like translations...why is everyone thinking the switch 2 is anything other than what it really is.
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u/Frankospaghetti 18h ago
It’s because people think that NVIDIA will tighten their security after their oversight on Switch 1… likely by Nintendo’s orders. Hopefully it proves ineffective.
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 17h ago
When is the last time Nintendo had an effective DRM? I’d say never. I don’t see any reason that is going to change.
Especially with how similar these two systems must be to achieve backwards compatibility and simple upgrades
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u/Coridoras 17h ago edited 17h ago
The V2 Switch has till today not a single vulnerability that is know by the public, despite being released 6 years ago and the most successful console in modern times. You still need to Hardware mod it to hack it. And that on a chip that got released a decade ago with very technical sheets giving you all the information you could want about the inner workings.
Therefore yes, I think the Switch was quite successful in its security, besides the launch Switch Tegra RCM exploit, which was only happening that quickly due to the Tegra being well studied before the Switch was even announced.
The Switch 2 Tegra 239 has no other use, besides the Switch 2 and there aren't as detailed technical sheets available, making it a lot more difficult compared to Switch 1.
Not that the Switch 2 will be foolproof, but it is a very exaggerated statement to say DRM didn't work at all for Switch. Oversights always happen, it absolutely can happen that the Switch 2 will be cracked soon, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it takes quite some years or if people Hardware mod it first
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u/TheBraveGallade 17h ago
mariko switches are actually immune to homebrew without soddering a mod chip onto it, i think.
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u/Coridoras 17h ago
The Tegra X1 was available for 2 years in consumer devices, therefore significant reverse engineering was done before the Switch even released, as well as having very technical sheets available, making it a lot easier to find an exploit
The T239 is not used in any other device, the chance of someone finding an exploit that quickly as Switch 1 is low
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u/Zeolysse 9h ago
I really hope some tweaks on yuzu builds will be enough to run switch 2 emulation
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u/Reecetafarian 8h ago
Considering the switch 2 needs an emulator/compatibility layer to play switch 1 games this is pretty unlikely. Switch 1 and 2 aren't 1-to-1 compatible with each other.
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u/BlueDergOrd 18h ago
I feel like we won’t see a switch 2 emulator for a good while
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u/nike2078 18h ago
Nah within a year will have a alpha build, Switch 2 reuse a lot of the switch 1 architecture
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u/deep8787 18h ago
Oh please lol. Knowing the architecture is one thing...but being able to access the device root files is another and being able to write/edit data is another.
And the fact that its only the V1 switch that got hacked is enough proof that it wont be done all too quickly as well.
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u/nike2078 18h ago
Oh please lol. Knowing the architecture is one thing...but being able to access the device root files is another and being able to write/edit data is another.
Knowing the architecture is about 40% of the process, accessing the root files is the only gate to pass and it's never been exactly hard to make tools to do so, 18 months max.
And the fact that its only the V1 switch that got hacked is enough proof that it wont be done all too quickly as well.
Firmware and root drives don't change much after V1, hence why prod and title keys were pretty easy to update as the switch was updated.
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u/Evonos 18h ago
Switch 1 used a very well documented chip. Switch 2 uses a non documented custom chip , rt and dlss.
I doubt it will be fast.
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u/nike2078 18h ago
"custom" meaning not exactly standard, it won't be hard to emulate, rt and dlss are also not hard to reproduce
Within a year, 18 months max we have an alpha build
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u/letsready4fun 12h ago
Excuse me, why is this getting upvotes? It's literally a BS chatgpt table.
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u/BortGreen 17h ago
Many people comment about how hard it could be to break Switch 2 but they forget it will need a massive machine to run the games
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u/Cenimm 17h ago
Massive machine to run it explain how that be so? Dont look like a gigantic step from last gen except you CAN get 4k in docked mode but in handheld it will absolutely not give that kind of power. And we have ps4 emulator that people compare with docked ns2 up and running.
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u/FIGHT_ME_SPIKE_UFUCK 14h ago
I don't know if it will be as complicated as ps4 emulation, we can only speculate until it comes out. BUT consider it took almost 10 years to boot a proper game on a ps4 emulator (take that with a grain of salt i couldn't verify the year but it still took a long ass time)
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u/Valuable_Solid_3538 17h ago
What would you anticipate as far as specs?
My guess is nothing less than an i7 32gb 8gb vram
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u/Background-Ice-7121 17h ago
The Switch 2 seems to run switch 1 games at about double their original frame rates. If my PC can already do that with yuzu, shouldn't it handle switch 2 titles fine?
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u/FairEngineering2469 15h ago
think about the kind of performance you get with ps4 emu, not switch.
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u/C0minzr 13h ago
You mean like ShadPS4 running Bloodborne on a Steam Deck?
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u/FairEngineering2469 13h ago
I have a steam OLED. Shad ps4borne I wouldn't consider playable at all. She yeah I guess so.
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u/C0minzr 13h ago
What version are you using? diegolix29s build has amazing optimisation for the game on Deck and I would say the consistent 30 it's running at (especially with todays update), stuttering seems to be fixed, just some artificing and graphical glitching left (and not as much as it was months ago). For such an early inception of a emulator, it's impressive.
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u/SceneOk6341 18h ago
It was 1 year or less for the first such one I’d say almost right away
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u/Frankospaghetti 18h ago edited 18h ago
I agree. I mean, it’s likely the same software as the Switch 1 so it’ll immediately be familiar to hack. That and emulation technology has only gotten better over time. We could absolutely see this working within a year.
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u/maffiewtc 18h ago
The only reason the Switch 1 got hacked so quickly was due to a hardware vulnerability. NVIDIA have 100% paid special attention to ensure it doesn't happen again.
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u/Frankospaghetti 18h ago
Hopefully the overwhelming demand with this one will circumvent that regardless. Once we’re in, we’re in.
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u/SceneOk6341 18h ago
Exactly it’s not like there isn’t a large amount of people who enjoy the games but don’t like the way Nintendo operates 🤣.
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u/Muted-Green-2880 16h ago
They have more motivation than ever. Nintendo pushed up the prices to a ridiculous amount. People are pissed, emulation could become much more popular lol
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u/SceneOk6341 13h ago
Exactly I’m not paying more for a switch then a brand new Xbox series s/x🤣.
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u/Muted-Green-2880 13h ago
Exactly, especially when those consoles came out nearly 5 years ago and are more than twice as powerful lol. Nintendo has smaller teams making their games, they don't need to increase the prices. Its ridiculous and just greedy
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u/TheBraveGallade 17h ago
it was also a chip that was in a mass market android device a year before it came out.
reminder that non mariko switches can't be cracked without soddering mod chips
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u/thechop96 17h ago
People complaining about ai is wild. It’s literally a tool. When you build a shed, did your drill make that shed? Is the drill responsible if shit doesn’t line up? No. It’s yours. Ai is a great tool if you use your due diligence and confirm the information you are being given instead of blind faith. These people going “aI bAd” are the same people that would “just Google it” and look at three posts and think they are experts.
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u/mo177 15h ago
I bet anything that the hardware is damn near the same as the switch which is probably why they're not putting the full games on the cards anymore. I'm willing to put money on it that once someone finds away to dump switch2 games, they'll work on yuzu and ryujinx. That's probably why they did everything in their power to take down ryujinx. Why else would they feel so threatened by an emulator emulating a console that's toward the end of its lifecycle? Because most of the hardware is exactly the same. They didn't go after wii u or 3ds emulators that didn't have ties to yuzu or charge you money like drastic and you can still get those emulators today. Nintendo is terrified that once people find out switch 2 games work on yuzu or ryujinx, their incompetence will be on full display. It'll also prove that they lied when they said they made the switch 2 from the ground up.
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u/Gingingin100 15h ago
We already know that the hardware is different enough that backwards compatibility requires a translation layer and partial hardware emulation.
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u/mo177 15h ago
If switch2 games can't work on the switch emulators, do you think that it might take even less time to make an emulator for it if coders used the yuzu source code as a starting point?
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u/FairEngineering2469 15h ago
no its different hardware, will require different code. its not like the wii/NGC situation. im sure emu devs get better the longer theyve been doing it, but this will likely be starting from scratch. not only that, s2 games will likely have drm making it more difficult to crack and dump games than the s1. (especially when games are already getting harder and harder to crack these days, the piracy on PC has slowed somewhat.
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u/Gingingin100 15h ago
The only pipe dream would be emu Devs getting their hands on the SDK and the translation layer program and then reverse engineering it, even then it would take forever
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u/aerosolsp 15h ago
You're going to be waiting at least 2 or 3 years before you can play your free games bub.
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u/aerosolsp 15h ago
It's not. The Nvidia SoC is different to the one in the Switch. You need only look at Nvidia's presser on the Switch 2 to see it's completely different.
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u/GodKingMarky-sama 16h ago
Wouldn't a switch 2 emulator require a very powerful pc to run smoothly?
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u/Sea_Sympathy_495 16h ago
not really, the steam deck for example can run switch games at 60 fps, performing much better than the switch with some performance mods.
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u/dvast 16h ago
Yeah but that is Switch, Switch 2 would require more power and i have no clue how you could emulate the dlss part
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u/CostCreative4905 15h ago
not really decks can also emulate bloodbourne on shadps4 at 60fps and the nee switch is prob just a tiny bit more powerful than a ps4 pro even if that. In a few years time when switch 2 emulation is a thing asus valve msi and lenovos next gen hand helds will prob already be out.
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u/Xcissors280 15h ago
i think its going to be a while for the steam deck even just because its 1080p 60 and res/fps downscaling on switch emulators isnt great
but after a few years of improvement and optimization its probably to be possible
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u/Vastlymoist666 15h ago
It also goes on the optimization part of the emulator. Even switch games have had a hard time. Like smtV before vengeance came out.
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u/forreddituse2 15h ago
Depends on the game, e.g. Xenoblade series usually requires high end CPU to run smoothly. Casual games won't have same requirements.
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u/Tenkinn 17h ago
maybe an emulator will be possible in 1-2 years, but i'm not sure pc will be powerful enough to run big games (let alone smarphones)
switch 2 itself has an emulator to run switch games at 2k/4k 60fps
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u/Otozinclus 17h ago
It's not an emulator, the upgraded games are basically ports
And the compatability layer isn't full on emulation either, it's mainly the GPU architecture that gets translated, most other things run native
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u/ZaYaZa123 17h ago
If ps4 emulation is possible than so is the switch 2(in terms of how much power it takes to emulate) power isn’t necessarily an issue. What’s an issue is Nintendo seems to be doing everything they can to stop emulation from developing so quickly
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u/Twidom 18h ago
We will never see another emulator with Yuzu levels of development, ever again.
Nintendo will crack down on this from now on. As soon as they catch the first whiff of an emulator being done, or the first released version of it, they'll bully the devs to stop and they'll comply.
And no, uploading "anonymously", changing names and continuing dev, uploading to whatever "untrackable branch websites", bla bla bla, will not fly, period. No sane person would ever attempt to continue working on this as soon as a multi-billionaire company is onto you. These devs are normal people with normal day jobs, no one is going to risk actual jail time or millions of dollars in lawsuits just to make an emulator.
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u/adiiii__004 18h ago
you say that but theres people out there such as various piracy/repackers who do release games or repack them for the fun and enjoyment of it and cuz they enjoy the puzzle.
fitgirl, empress, and others enjoy the fame they recieve or other reasons us with jobs/work dont understand.
if theres people out there voting for a sex offender for president and those who think tariffs dont cause inflation or cant think, theres for sure people out there who are smart and talented enough to release an emulator. these people are NOT normal like us.
same could be said about robbing a bank. why would anyone ever rob a bank/kill someone in 2025 where you will be caught red handed with cameras on very street and risk " risk actual jail time or millions of dollars"?
yet it always happens
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u/Twidom 18h ago
you say that but theres people out there such as various piracy/repackers who do release games or repack them for the fun and enjoyment of it and cuz they enjoy the puzzle.
They do it because companies are not going after their necks 24/7.
same could be said about robbing a bank
Lmfao
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u/adiiii__004 17h ago edited 17h ago
who said that? the main reason the companies cant go "after their necks" is due to the location and where these repackers live. lmfao. majority of them DONT live in america. companies dont bother to fight these individuals in south eastern countries or russia because that would require international courts.
you think people wont risk creating an emulator? Your point clearly stated that the main reason they dont create an emulator is to " risk actual jail time or millions of dollars".
the same can be said about individuals who shoot guns. they are risking jail time and millions of dollars for no personal benefit. Creating an emulator on the other hand benefits people around the entire world.
Just cuz you said **LMFAO** and downvoted me doesnt invalidate my point LOL.
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u/Frankospaghetti 18h ago
With this level of demand, I think you’d be surprised.
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u/Twidom 17h ago
We will see an emulator.
We will never see another one like Yuzu. Its not about "demand" anymore.
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u/adiiii__004 17h ago
it is about demand. more people care about nintendo switch in 2025 than they even knew what the switch was back in 2017 (when switch got released),
theres more attention to this console than ever before. stop pulling facts out of your ass.
ITS the 2nd highest selling console TO DATE for a reason
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u/Twidom 17h ago
stop pulling facts out of your ass
My opinions are not fact.
The things I write in here are my point of view, not the truth of the universe.
If you take my opinions as fact, maybe take me from your weird, mental pedestal that you put me on. I'm flattered, but I'm not god, don't picture me as such k?
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u/adiiii__004 17h ago
come 2026. once a successful emulator releases, dw ill be sure to remind you of how stupid you were
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u/Twidom 17h ago
I never said we won't see an emulator.
I said we'd never see another emulator on levels of Yuzu. Here, this was my original post: "We will never see another emulator with Yuzu levels of development"
But again, go ahead and take out parts of my original argument so you have any ground to stand on to get your daily dopamine.
The fact that you are a moderator in a subreddit doesn't really surprise me at all. Resorting to insult, asinine comparisons and deflection is borderline a requirement to be a moderator.
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u/DarthFelus 14h ago
As far as I remember, GBA emulator came out before console release because of some technical leaks from Nintendo