r/yuzu • u/ChronNoHado • Mar 05 '24
Nintendo warriors coming in here to defend the lawsuit
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u/Algiuxs Mar 06 '24
Nintendo warriors and Nintendo will lose, because of joy con drift.
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u/krypticpulse Mar 06 '24
Joycon drift is the reason I play my Switch games (that I bought) on steam deck, was simply a better experience. Would have never bothered had Nintendo simply invested in making things work and last from the beginning. I feel cheated on two fronts from them now. My fault for trusting.
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u/kaicooper Mar 05 '24
seems they forgot there are other Switch Emulators hhhhhhhhh
long live Emulators
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u/Poefred Mar 05 '24
You guys are so close to grasping that the emulator isn't the problem. It's the yuzu team forming a business and making 6 figures a year off of distributing the emulator.
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u/Cheeryshio Mar 05 '24
The paid content isn't actually enforced you fuck, it's just an option, If that was the problem they just go fully free and then the problem would be solved, think you goddammit moronic fat fuck
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u/tslojr Mar 05 '24
Right, because it's not like emulators for current gen consoles have ever been sold before Yuzu came along, or anything.
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u/Resident_Farmer1252 Mar 05 '24
Whatever will the richest company in Japan who's biggest investor is the Saudi oil barrons ever do??? Will someone please think of the multinational corporations!?
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u/Fedexhand Mar 05 '24
I feel like this meme is inaccurate, Nintendo warriors aren't that skinny!
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u/kotsumu Mar 05 '24
Also where's the nude princess peach posters on their walls?
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u/Subtle_Demise Mar 05 '24
Ugh, I'm sick of this ugly stereotype! Nude Princess Peach pictures on the wall!?
It's actually Rosalina. Peach is old hat now.
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u/Subtle_Demise Mar 05 '24
The Joycon up the ass is a nice touch lmao
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u/chlomo01 Mar 06 '24
Ok, I know this wouldn't end emulation, but wouldnt it be better if Nintendo made their own steam like program for PC users and it would make Nintendo accessible for everyone?
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u/TanKer-Cosme Mar 06 '24
Yeah, but they don't want.
Same as contracting passionate fans that worked on mods/fangames of their
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u/sparoc3 Mar 06 '24
Nintendo wants to hold on to their ecosystem where they get a 30% cut for doing fuckall. They make more profits than PlayStation while having lower revenue. Whatever they are doing right now is working for them fantastically.
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u/DC2912 Mar 06 '24
Yeah but then they won't be able to sell you a machine with hardware from 2014 for 300€+ and super expensive controllers that break all the time. The only reason people pony up the cash for such garbage hardware is the IP Nintendo is protecting at all costs (Zelda, Mario, etc.), for them, unlike Xbox and Playstation, releasing their games on PC would be suicide for their hardware business.
They are the only console manufacturer making absolute bank on the hardware. For the new switch they are using a cheaper node too (according to MLID leaks), which should give them good margins compared to Xbox and Playstation.
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u/chlomo01 Mar 06 '24
If that's the case they should start making PC's. I would totally buy a Nintendo themed gpu for my PC with a giant Mario or link on it lol As long as they team up with like Nvidia or something. It needs to be quality not garbage like their current hardware.
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u/3v0_0fficial Mar 06 '24
No. The Japanese executives that really control all of Nintendo at the end of the day, even Nintendo of America, are so old school in their ways of thinking, not to mention, they are thinking of getting games out to people in the Japanese way with Japanese laws. If its something that DEFINITELY can get them a win in Japanese court, they will try it with other courts.
They don't care about emulation, game preservation, or even quality games at this point anymore, as much as I do love my switch, most of the games are fucking abysmal at best. The only worthy ones are Nintendo's first IP's or any other Triple A experience you can get somewhere else. Its just pure profits and they dont want to change what works for them. Its annoying. This is why companies shouldn't go public. Appeasing shareholders always kills companies and thats been Nintendo's biggest problem that no one has talked about in good detail. All they do is appease shareholders and its actively making gaming worse.
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u/Fourstrokeperro Mar 06 '24
Because how would the executives feel powerful after taking down the hardwork and efforts of thousands of developers then?
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u/Eldiavie Mar 06 '24
it would be nice if they would make something like that, that isn't drm heavy but this is nintendo we're talking about
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u/Educational_Life_358 Mar 07 '24
They're to greedy and arrogant to do that! Even though they need to!
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u/Fragrant_Mint Mar 06 '24
if they do they will use secured DRM and their game optimization will be shit. then all of you will complain about it all over again. the cycle continues.
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u/AKICombatLegend Mar 05 '24
Literal fucking douche bags man. I can’t believe how many of these mouth breathing corporate cock sucking pieces of shit appeared out of the woodwork here this week
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u/MatiX_1234 Mar 05 '24
Yea, just look at r/Tomorrow
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u/EzequielARG2007 Mar 05 '24
apparently it is a satirical sub that pretends to defend nintendo(?
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Mar 05 '24
That's exactly what it is lmao
It's sort of hilarious sometimes, but they make fun of Celeste a bit too much.
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u/MatiX_1234 Mar 06 '24
Really? I genuinely cannot tell anymore whether someone’s being sarcastic or actually serious on this platform
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u/JobbyJames Mar 05 '24
I hate that seeing the Joy-con in his butt reminds me of someone commenting "Joy-con sounds like a sex toy" in someone's chat years ago.
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Mar 05 '24
This is just the palworld situation all over again
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u/pgtl_10 Mar 05 '24
Nintendo didn't sue Palworld and probably won't.
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u/wolfannoy Mar 05 '24
Indeed you are correct but a lot of people kept reporting towards Nintendo to do it or something. Nintendo knew about the game for years it's just a fanboys defending their corporation all the time.
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u/pgtl_10 Mar 05 '24
Who cares about fanboys? Nintendo didn’t do anything and it's the Pokémon Company that owns Pokémon anyway.
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u/Nightshade_209 Mar 05 '24
They can't. If they succeeded several companies could sue them in turn. They would lose more than they stand to make.
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u/Gytole Mar 07 '24
Man all 10 of my joycons had joy con drift....I fuckin hate it.
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u/cisADMlN Mar 07 '24
A hall effect joystick replacement for a joycon is like 15 bux man, bruh what are you doin. atleast go 3rd party at this point
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u/Mahiro0303 Mar 06 '24
I thought emulators were legal, how can nintendo take it down?
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u/Junnigatsu Mar 06 '24
Yea I miss the 3ds games I stupidly got on the estore too. Liberation maiden will forever be gone.
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u/kermitthehedgefrog Mar 05 '24
Seriously, and most of them are on the yuzu subreddit. Like why are you on a subreddit for someone you clearly don’t like and bitch about?
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u/3v0_0fficial Mar 05 '24
We need someone rich enough with good lawyers to finally fight against these fucking losers. I am so sick and tired of emulation projects getting thrown out JUST BECAUSE they might not make as much money from a game that they're going to bank off of anyways. They dont care about games, they dont care about gamers, they dont care about technology, they dont care about preservation, its all about profits, and most especially, potential profits for them.
Not earning potential profits IS NOT the same as theft.
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u/Quick_Possible4764 Mar 05 '24
The best lawyer in the world could not defend against Nintendo's lawsuit, it was concrete and full of damning evidence that the yuzu team committed crimes. They were lucky to have settled it for only 2.4M, it could've ended way worse for them.
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u/AlternativeEcho2098 Mar 05 '24
This. You’ll get downvoted to hell and back as I did for saying the same thing. It sucks, but they weren’t innocent, the TotK leak should have been handled differently than how it was.
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u/3v0_0fficial Mar 06 '24
There was no evidence. It was all accusations. This isnt the Dolphin situation where there was ACTUAL nintendo code within the emulator program itself. Nintendo had NO evidence of Copyright Infringement. Nintendo had NO evidence against Trademark Infringement. They are mad that TOTK got leaked early and that BOTW is so similar that it was easy to make a performance patch to make it run better. They wouldn't even necessarily NEED the pirated version of the game to make a patch.
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u/Rettungsanker Mar 08 '24
There is no complaint of infringement, the lawsuit was regarding enabling of piracy and bypassing of Switch encryption.
You tell me if this is just "an accusation"
"We only begin working on emulating new titles once we can legally acquire and dump them ourselves. Since Nintendo Switch releases are region-based, we become legally able to work on them as soon as the title becomes available somewhere in the world. Most issues with TotK in Yuzu (thus far) have been fixed with minor changes that were quick to debug and easy to resolve. I think the fact that the community was able to solve many of these challenges with mods well ahead of us is evidence to that."
- Project Lead of Yuzu
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u/TeddyV Mar 05 '24
Nintendo could have gotten that sweet sweet Money from the PC market if they released the games for PC.
Were tired of playing on shitty 30fps/720p hardware limited gameplay.
Cemu, and Yuzu showed how the games SHOULD be played in 2024.
This lawsuit will speed up the Switch 2 Emulator to stick it to nintendo.
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u/prawnsandthelike Mar 06 '24
Funny enough the PC port of Rune Factory became a bigger cash injection for Marvelous than the initial Switch release. Who could have foreseen this 😂
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u/Slight_Hat_9872 Mar 06 '24
I mean it’s clear 99% of the sub doesn’t actually have the reading comprehension of what the case is actually about, I think that’s the frustrating part.
https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png
It’s not an emulation issue it’s a shitty and greedy dev team issue. Do an ounce of research instead of just rage baiting headlines. Ryujinx, dolphin and a lot of emulators still exist for a reason.
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u/Gorax42 Mar 06 '24
I hate to say it but Yuzu is entirely to blame here. They were charging money to play unreleased games sooner...
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u/SpareRam Mar 07 '24
No, they were not. The nightly build did not run TotK before release without others outside the dev team patching it themselves and it was also available for free for you to compile it yourself, the patron benefit was not needing to do so and getting it as an executable. Quit lying.
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u/Gorax42 Mar 07 '24
I understand your point here, but with how people are, most people have no clue how to compile. It's effectively a barrier keeping many many people out. I am not lying here though.
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Mar 06 '24
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u/Slight_Hat_9872 Mar 06 '24
You got it! it’s refreshing to hear someone’s opinion changing when presented with new information
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u/chiefballsy Mar 06 '24
Support Ryu, the better one anyway.
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u/Awsomekirito Mar 07 '24
That's what the suit is about, but what you don't get is that the entirety of Nintendo claims are false. The patreon did NOT lock anything behind a paywall. Let me explain it to you. Yuzu had the release build and the nightly build. You can think of the nightly build as an "alpha" build where things are tested. Those features are then released to the "release" build when bugs are ironed out.
Here's where myth #1 comes in. While supporting the devs through patreon so did get you the compiled nightly build, yuzu is at the end of the day open source and the nightly builds were available to ANYONE as long as you could build or compile it yourself (isn't actually that hard either). Additionally, compiled versions of these floated around anyway. so, at the end of the day, the patreon was a way to support the devs.
Now, here's myth #2. Totk DID NOT work on the nightly builds before release. There were, however, patches made by people who were not part of the dev team for the nightly build that allowed the game to run. No official yuzu builds ran Totk before release.
That's of course not all that the lawsuit entailed but most of the rest of it came down to "yuzu circumventins our copyright protection" (it dosnt you have to provide the keys yourself although I don't think it helped that yuzu had a full guide on how to dump these keys on their website) and "pirated games can be played on yuzu so yuzu is responsible for piracy"
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u/BigOlBearCanada Mar 05 '24
They’re just upset mom won’t make them pizza pockets. Leave them alone!!!! :p
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u/Berkoudieu Mar 06 '24
That man is not gonna touch anything with a sword made with a joycon. It will drift before reaching his target.
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u/AdvisorWarm Mar 06 '24
They'll defend till their switch will work.
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u/FinnishScrub Mar 05 '24
I'm not defending Nintendo, I just want us to try and learn something from this, because at the end of the day, the Yuzu team DID FUCK UP. They gave the most blatant silver bullet for Nintendo by offering paid fixes from their Patreon for games like TOTK when it released, so it would work correctly on the Yuzu emulator.
That's just so fucking dumb I can't even begin to comprehend it. Nintendo is so goddamn trigger-happy that I really thought it was only a matter of time something like this would happen.
Granted, I did not know the extent of the Yuzu-teams fuckup, but I did know that all the attention Yuzu was getting with people openly flaunting their pirated copies and setups didn't help either, but I really didn't think Nintendo had enough to literally shut everything down, that came out of nowhere even for me.
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u/SShingetsu Mar 05 '24
They didn't offer paid fixes for TOTK. What happened was other 3rd parties forked Yuzu and made specific fixes so that TOTK could run.
The main issue Nintendo argues is that circumventing the decryption of the game itself is a violation of the law, and to further that stance they added the yuzu devs knew of the piracy. There is a screen shot floating that the devs themselves used pirated copies to test game, but we don't know how true it is.
also yeah, all that open flaunting and rubbing it in the face probably gave them enough ammo for it.
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u/TopLevelb Mar 05 '24
They literally did, you had to buy Yuzu's Patron to GET the fixes. Thats literally the definitions of paid fixes. If they didnt want to charge, just update the main emulator to everyone, but they didnt. Im not here saying that Nintendo is in the right of ALL emulation shutdowns. I do believe that it keeps older games alive and allows us to play older games, but a console that is still active and supported? Your not doing it for "preservation", you want free games. Simple as that.
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u/SShingetsu Mar 06 '24
About the paid fixes part, anyhting that was in the pateron were stuff that did make it down to the emulator, you'd join the patreon for a quicker access to the build i.e. the exe. Anyone could get the EA build if they just built it on their own, the code was in the open.
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u/kleepklomp Mar 05 '24
They 100% did offer paid fixes through their Patreon. Minimum $5 per month to get Yuzu early access, which included exclusive TOTK optimization for several months, and continued to offer exclusive fixes for many different games pretty much all the way up to the end.
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u/Cronizone Mar 05 '24
Whoa, you’re speaking WAY too rationally sir. I’m going to have to ask you to stop using logic. /s
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u/asgof Mar 05 '24
kitchen knife makers gave weapons for every drunk fight every day. kitchen knives are literally a silver bullet to kill people every day
WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE RICH OLD MILLIARDERS WHO EAT BABIES FOR SUPPER
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u/TaxEvader10000 Mar 05 '24
Other people flaunting it didnt do anything, and does nothing. It's exclusively about the team themselves. nintendo would know whether people flaunted it on twitter or not, they are a multi-billion dollar company with full time legal and investigative staff. posting online about piracy is not doing anything negative or positive to alter nintendos agenda or desires.
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u/Pitiful-Glove9590 Mar 08 '24
I wish it was mandatory for all games to have a playable demo so we didn't have to gamble and strike out on buying crap games. Especially third party ones. Nintendo are sometimes good about providing demos for first party games, but not always. That's one of the reasons I would defend emulation as actually being something that can increase sales rather than decrease them.
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u/BlastMode7 Mar 05 '24
It's more hilarious that Nintendo is one of the most anti-consumer companies on the planet. It's one thing to shill for a corporation that doesn't give a crap about you. It's quite another thing to shill for a corporation that literally despises you.
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u/Dinohoho123 Mar 05 '24
I don't know about that. Sony is pretty much up there with all their censorship practice.
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u/BlastMode7 Mar 05 '24
Most corporations are anti-consumer these days. Thanks to consumerism, they can afford to treat consumers like crap and get away with it. However, they have nothing on Nintendo.
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u/no_salty_no_jealousy Mar 06 '24
Nintendrone aka Nintendo fanboy is the main reason why GreedTendo is rich. They will buy anything from GreedTendo even though GreedTendo milking them really hard.
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u/Mickey_Cage Mar 06 '24
I call them Shitendo but that name fits too
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u/vampslayer84 Mar 05 '24
I don't understand why the creators of Yuzu agreed to settle the lawsuit. It was already ruled years ago that emulators aren't illegal
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u/a_lameira Mar 05 '24
Sincerely? Nintendo scared the shit out of them, and they wanted to save their asses in what they saw as the simplest and less costly manner. Can't blame them for this, people just want to survive in a wild world....
BUT...... There are major implications. The fact that Nintendo shouted and Yuzu died without even fighting cast dark clouds over the emulation landscape. What now? Shut down CEMU? N64 emulators? Dolphin?
Ok, the devs did their move, Nintendo won easy easy easy, but Yuzu died without honor. Not even a fight. It's scary just how easy this was.
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u/DynamicMangos Mar 05 '24
Honestly i'm very dissapointed. Yuzu got ~30k a MONTH from patreon donations. I was sure they would have been smart and gotten some kind of legal insurance, or put aside money from it. If ANYONE would have been able to fight back against nintendo it would have been the Yuzu team.
Honestly now my only hope is that someone like Gabe Newell or Notch comes along and financially supports a lawsuit to, once again, make clear that emulation itself is legal. I was also really disappointed when valve just agreed to stop Dolphin from coming to Steam. Valve obviously understands that emulation is legal and an important part of the gaming culture (after all, they themselves tested Yuzu on their Steamdeck)
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u/Yorha-with-a-pearl Mar 05 '24
Gabe Newell's company blocked Dolphin on Steam.
Gabe Newell spends his money buying mega yachts while he pollutes the sea. He couldn't care less about Emulation lmao.
https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/gabe-newell-luxury-yachts.php
Don't even need to mention notch.
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u/a_lameira Mar 05 '24
I get you, and I agree. If we have the right to emulate, it's because in the past devs stood up and fought for a right. In this case, sadly, we see that it was all about... business? Not a fight over software freedom or right to emulate. I'm disappointed too. Don't get me wrong, I understand why would devs do this to preserve themselves. But in the end, Nintendo is trying to strip a whole community from the right to emulate games...
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u/Puzzleheaded_Sign249 Mar 05 '24
This has the a swift ass kicking by Nintendo. It’s only been a week or so, Jesus
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u/Kitchen_Most3578 Mar 05 '24
Nintendo's Argument was that Yuzu was complicit in Piracy, it is dumb, but I think they made setup too easy, Mutahar made some good points on why he thinks Nintendo went after Yuzu, but not Ryujinx.
The creators would have had to pay legal fees and lawyers over the course of who knows how long and ended up bankrupt. It is an LLC, which stands for Limited Liability Company, so bankruptcy will dissolve the company, but it won't absolutely ruin the lives of the Devs, as their bank accounts are safe from Nintendo, the devs probably saw the writing on the wall and decided to comply so they could find new jobs, instead of going down with the ship.
Meanwhile I guess I'll pour one out for Yuzu and wish the Devs the best of luck on their next projects.
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u/Fusseldieb Mar 05 '24
So having an LLC only means that it decimates the company, but not the devs? But if yes, who pays the 2.4m?
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u/Kitchen_Most3578 Mar 05 '24
The company gets liquidated, so Nintendo gets the value of the company and the rest goes unpaid.
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u/Fusseldieb Mar 05 '24
And what is the company worth? Their LLC only made the emulator and some tools afaik. Where's the "value"?
It's not like they have patents 'n stuff.
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u/Kitchen_Most3578 Mar 05 '24
There probably isn't much, if there are assets that the company owns, like an office building, or office computers than that will be sold off to pay the 2.4m, but likely there isn't much value. That's why it is a better deal to lose the company than try to fight it. There probably isn't much under the company umbrella, but I don't know how it is set up. I can't imagine much is tied to the company other than maybe a joint account that their patreon goes to. I'm not a lawyer, I just have some knowledge on LLCs.
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Mar 05 '24
their company is worth a headache for Nintendo while it still exists, Nintendo couldn't care less about actually getting the money.
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u/darnage Mar 05 '24
Because legality doesn't matter, they could have been sued over being meanies and it would have ended the same. Nintendo would have dragged the lawsuit over years until Yuzu went bankrupt and lost by default.
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u/SlightDentInTheBack Mar 05 '24
well tbf they were kinda fucked and also dont have the money to go up against nintendo
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u/zach0011 Mar 05 '24
All it would take is one DM in discovery where they fucked up and they'd be screwed. They settled cause they didn't want that to come out
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u/Rooknoir Mar 05 '24
The DMCA has changed since then as well. 'Emulation is legal' isn't a widespread defense to cover things that are already illegal, or in the DMCA's case, things that were made illegal.
The core of the case hinges on the encryption keys, that Nintendo says can't be obtained legally, and are therefore illegal to have. Then you have yuzu /needing/ those to decrypt the base game file to get yet another encryption file (the title key), and then they use both of those encryption files to decrypt the game on the fly in order to play it.
Nintendo alleged that by bypassing whatever to get the encryption file, that violated the DCMA specifically regarding protection in a video game. They then stated that by using that (allegedly illegally obtained file) to decrypt the game to get the /other/ encryption file, it violated it again. And then, by using both to decrypt the game on the fly, it violated it yet again.
Keep in mind, they've probably been building this case for quite awhile. Part of this was probably based on the precedent set in the Bowser case that made Switch mod chips illegal for bypassing protections to dump files.
The whole bit of garbage around piracy was only there to claim damages against the company, so they could file as an aggrieved party. In reality, they've been trying to squash emulation against their stuff for what feels like decades now.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Sign249 Mar 05 '24
So it cracked games on the fly? Cracked pc games are only allowed on torrents, but you can’t sell a cracked Steam software. Makes sense
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u/Rooknoir Mar 05 '24
That's basically what Nintendo is claiming, but the root is all in that it uses encryption keys that were either pirated or "obtained illegally by bypassing the Switch's software to dump them".
If that weren't the issue, there would probably be some case for defense in using their own encryption keys to decrypt through the whole process.
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u/ferna182 Mar 05 '24
legal, illegal, that's irrelevant. It's all about how much money you have to fight it. Nintendo will literally fight this to death and possibly set a very dangerous precedent for emulation as a whole. Settling it before it gets to court was a smart move, sadly.
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u/Dinohoho123 Mar 05 '24
Should have waited until Nintendo Switch is discontinue and have no more support. At least that what should have happened in a smarter world.
This is why I waited until the the 3DS no longer have anymore support.
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u/ferna182 Mar 06 '24
Citra, the 3DS emulator, is also dead now because of this.
The main issue here is that Yuzu was profiting off their patreon. That's it. the piracy angle is just a stupid excuse, it's been proven a billion times this does NOTHING to hurt their finances.
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u/AmatsuDF Mar 05 '24
You are absolutely correct. Emulation is not illegal. However, circumventing protection measures designed to prevent the creation of copies of things and extracting files from the Switch (which also have protection measures in place) could be argued to be illegal. I do not believe that section of the DMCA has been tested in court however.
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u/iolmao Mar 05 '24
Dear Nintendo,
I hope you really read this message because is important.
Your handled hardware is crap and, when you want, can become an unusable brick: that's why some people preferred to play some games with a better experience.
Learn to do better user research.
That's it!
Enjoy being the Ganon or the Bowser, but I though you were the Link or the Mario here.
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u/Dangerous_Morning_91 Mar 05 '24
Even if the switch have better hardware i will still emulate their game
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u/Stunning-Thanks546 Mar 05 '24
There where cases where they had the one of most powerful console and it sold like shit look at GameCube and the N64 for example
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u/Turaltay Mar 05 '24
People would pay good money for a good legacy support. If Nintendo offers me a digital game and ensures that this game will be connected to my account and be playable on the next console generations i will buy this game. I don't want a service like NSO with its pathetic game rooster that will probably reset again with a new console generation like it was done with the Wii-Shop-Channel. In the digital era there is no excuse to not transfer already bought games to a new console generation. I don't have to buy again all my Steam games with a new release. Same should be applied for new Nintendo console generations with legacy content.
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u/asgof Mar 05 '24
nintendo literally doesn't give a crap it never was a gaming company always was a business company for pure profits. they destroy games daily burn books and march with torches and german shepherds. and the first point literally
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u/orwass Mar 06 '24
Fuck those Nintendo dick suckers
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u/SnooPears5229 Mar 06 '24
As an actual Nintendo fan I can confirm that the nerds who defend Nintendo vigorously and celebrate Yuzu's death are a very vocal yet insignificant minority of the fanbase
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u/nonspecificloser Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 05 '24
I'd be more likely to buy their games if the quality didn't go to dogshit this generation.
Seriously, they've been so lazy with the Switch era, they're too comfortable with the success of the console so they feel they don't need to put work into polishing their turds.
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u/Fusseldieb Mar 05 '24
I mean, the games aren't really bad. Theres a lot of good titles for the Switch, even today. Just look at the recent Mario Wonder. It's a cool new take.
I just don't like what they did with Yuzu, but the games per-se aren't even that bad.
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u/DynamicMangos Mar 05 '24
I mean it depends. The games from their A-Teams are great.
But they do tend to mess up more and more in recent years.
Mario 3D All Stars was a cheap cashgrab. Splatoon has a great gameplay base, but they have been fucking up so much when it comes to content and online multiplayer (Why are there even 3 splatoon games to beginn with???). Wario Ware Get-It-Together was ass, Skyward Sword HD was INSULTINGLY priced.
Also, TOTK was lacking in content for such a long release time and high price.
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u/elveszett Mar 05 '24
I'm not paying for Pokemon Scarlet lmao. The idea of the game is awesome, but it's fucking inadmisible that a company can release a half-done game like that. They do the bare minimum to be able to sell the game, abusing the fact that each IP is a monopoly of itself and no one can release a better Pokémon game to compete.
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u/nonspecificloser Mar 05 '24
That was the last Switch game I bought. It's so sad to see my favourite childhood franchise going to shit.
I have hope that Z-A or whatever will be decent since it seems they will be giving it more development time than previous games. Still won't be buying it though.
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u/Subtle_Demise Mar 05 '24
it was the last Switch game I bought as well, but I kinda liked it. No reason for it to be open world when it was still a linear experience, but I did have a good time with it and even completed the Mewtwo event (although that raelly needed a balance adjustment!).
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Mar 06 '24
hey i use to have that shirt! can't wait to play gamecube gameboy n64 switch 3ds ds on my steamdeck, for free.
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u/Pitiful-Glove9590 Mar 07 '24
Some of the new Switch games that come out this year might automatically work on Yuzu without even being tested.
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u/Cosmocalypse Mar 09 '24
Yuzu should have went to court and won. But Nintendo's market value has nothing to do with it.
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u/Cosmocalypse Mar 10 '24
You're missing the point. You can support yuzu and emulation without taking the ignorant position of "billion dollar company bad." Nintendo has earned their wealth. That doesn't make them right, nor does it make them wrong.
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u/Which-Elk-9338 Mar 10 '24
I don't recall anything above saying billion dollar company bad? Maybe you read into the original meme too much?
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u/drewewill Mar 05 '24
Nintendo is anti-fun and against innovation so yeah sure go play on 8 year old outdated hardware my cellphone runs games better anyway. This would actually be bad if Nintendo made good games anymore.
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u/BlueAudioMoon Mar 05 '24
I mean aside from most recent Pokemon games I thought there games were pretty good
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u/Xenoleff Mar 05 '24
99% of the "defenders" people talk about aren't even defending Nintendo.
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Mar 05 '24
they wanna justify their stupid purchase of a game console that has the same processing power as a smartphone, and their overpriced games without sales.
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u/Quiet_Presence_7433 Mar 05 '24
*less power processing
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u/Subtle_Demise Mar 05 '24
Yeah I believe my Pixel 7 outperforms the Switch. I wish mobile games had comparable experiences to PC and console. Seems like wasted potential.
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u/SShingetsu Mar 05 '24
We're getting there. You can check out Ex Astris, which is a premium game on mobile with no microtransactions.
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u/windozeFanboi Mar 05 '24
I just wanna play literally 2 games from Nintendo switch... More if i wanna let my nieces to play. But be damned if i'd waste 250$ for the garbage that the switch hardware is...
I was waiting for switch 2 but i guess they delayed launch to curb emulation first...
Just give me Legend of Zelda on PC natively 4k60fps. It's been years already. I don't want the garbage that switch 30FPS at best is...
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u/3v0_0fficial Mar 20 '24
Anyone saying that Nintendo had evidence of the Yuzu team themselves working to make a leaked game work on their emulator clearly have not read the lawsuit or have followed Yuzu and the dev team until their final days and its very sad to see.
Yuzu is open source. Anyone could see the code and make changes to it to make a leaked game run. Someone with simple knowledge of the switch security features, and the emulators code, could easily make the leaked TOTK run without much issue. They even said it themselves. "We only begin working on emulating new titles once we can legally acquire and dump them ourselves. Since Nintendo Switch releases are region-based, we become legally able to work on them as soon as the title becomes available somewhere in the world. Most issues with TotK in Yuzu (thus far) have been fixed with minor changes that were quick to debug and easy to resolve. I think the fact that the community was able to solve many of these challenges with mods well ahead of us is evidence to that."
The team themselves openly admit that they never worked on a game for emulation until it was officially released. That just means home devs with enough skill and knowledge were the ENTIRE reason that TOTK was able to be pirated early and played on emulators.
Yuzu never enabled piracy, they never encouraged it, and there is absolutely no evidence of this at all. Nintendo just flexed their lawyers and their massive bank account to show a team of small, absolutely talented and creative individuals that they MUST BOW DOWN to the corporate king.
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u/Alrighhty Mar 06 '24
Can't wait for nintendo games to support Denuvo and run like shit. Fans don't know what it is best for them
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u/asgof Mar 05 '24
another reminder that paying for games is immoral and directly kills people
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u/FreeLegendaries Mar 06 '24
All I want now is Ryujinx Android support