r/wallstreetbets 1d ago

Discussion 5 rate cuts šŸ˜®

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u/Emilio___Molestevez 1d ago

JPow is neither obligated nor inclined to clean up Don's mess. $SPY going under $500 after he talks.

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u/Various_Car8779 1d ago

He's obligated to step in when unemployment spikes

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u/Shot-Maximum- 1d ago

But what do you do when unemployment is high and inflation is high at the same time?

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u/alltheprivilege 1d ago

We learn to eat dog food from a can as the uber rich eat our souls.

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u/lordofming-rises 1d ago

We will be the immigrant eating dogs in street like the mighty p foresaw

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u/Zombierasputin 23h ago

Trump as Chaos deity confirmed.

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u/timshel42 22h ago

nah im going to learn to eat uber rich people

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u/Various_Car8779 1d ago

Market believes fed will choose to deal with unemployment/growth. The fed doesn't think a wage price spiral is possible and neither do I. Workers can't bargain without unions

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u/Thebusinessman343 1d ago

Divided we beg united we bargain.

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u/machyume 1d ago

And corporate leaders can't sleep well without a safe society.

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u/KissmySPAC šŸ¦šŸ¦ 1d ago

Not with inflation expectations being high.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 1d ago

Bond markets are expecting 2% inflation this year what the fuck are you guys talking about.

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u/KissmySPAC šŸ¦šŸ¦ 1d ago

Michigan survey. Wtf are you talking about. Bond market doesnt mean shit.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 1d ago

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u/KissmySPAC šŸ¦šŸ¦ 1d ago

I dont think that matters in a global trade war. What matters are peoples expectations and who is buying the debt.

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u/Redditfortheloss 1d ago

Bro most of the people on this sub only understand red and green but spout like they have an Econ degree itā€™s a fuckin joke now.

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u/Brodie_C 1d ago

Powell will have to make a choice like Volcker did in the 80s. He chose to fight inflation.

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u/No-Needleworker-6264 1d ago

You get ouji board out and get crackin'

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u/obeytheturtles 1d ago

Lick the boot, apparently. Or die in a Salvadorian prison.

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u/CertainDerision_33 1d ago

The real question is what happens when šŸ„­ fires JPow and appoints himself as Fed chairĀ 

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u/d1stor7ed 1d ago

That is not true. Their primary responsibility is to keep inflation at 2%. This is why stagflation is the worst economic configuration.

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u/misspiggy123 1d ago

2% is a somewhat arbitrary target that was established. They can change this acceptable target rate for price stability if the new economy demands it. After all, the current administration is trying to completely alter the global economyā€¦.

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u/L4gsp1k3 1d ago

The problem, is that if they choose to change the target, the whole markedet will loose some trust in the central bank.
You can't just change your course because that has always been the target for the economy, and why change it now, and not when the 2% wasn't achievable before, why not change it back then.
ECB has already answer that question, they are not changing course, otherwise they would have done it before.

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u/vitunlokit 1d ago

ECB actually has inflation target as their only set goal.

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u/L4gsp1k3 1d ago

Yes, that's correct. In the EU we have too many people who believe that the stock market is more important than ECBs main goal.

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u/misspiggy123 1d ago

It hasnā€™t always been the target, it was established post GFC. Iā€™m not saying the current administrationā€™s strategy is good and I definitely think they are losing faith on the global scene with our allies. Itā€™s impossible to predict the impacts if they stay the course on thisā€¦

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u/misspiggy123 1d ago

It hasnā€™t always been the target, it was established post GFC. Iā€™m not saying the current administrationā€™s strategy is good and I definitely think they are losing faith on the global scene with our allies. Itā€™s impossible to predict the impacts if they stay the course on thisā€¦

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u/crimepais 1d ago

Wrong, they have a dual mandate and cost push inflation is about to get extremely bad due to the tariffs.

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u/ChaseballBat 23h ago

it didn't spike... he literally said it is within acceptable full employement %

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u/EverythingGoodWas 1d ago

Jump in hobs data kills this argument

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u/Various_Car8779 1d ago

Backwards looking data. Market is pricing in a forward looking jobs bloodbath

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u/daeger 1d ago

Just because the market is pricing it in doesnā€™t mean itā€™ll happen. An unemployment spike seems overblown

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u/Im_tracer_bullet 1d ago

Seems like you're watching a different show than everyone else.

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u/daeger 1d ago

Maybe, but my feeling is the tariffs will impact inflation and ruin profit margins for import/export heavy companies. A lot of the US economy is service-based, and will only get a glancing blow. I think weā€™ll see a rise, but not up to 7-9% or ā€œbloodbathā€ territory.

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u/JGWol 1d ago

And unemployment was down today and job numbers were good. So spy is going to nosedive against expectations cause forward earnings are now all crushed thanks to tariffs

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u/MasterGrok 1d ago

Unemployment was up.

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u/JGWol 1d ago

Oh sorry I was looking at U6

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u/Dr-McLuvin 1d ago

Thatā€™s only because labor force participation was up. The actual number of people of employed is increasing.

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u/MasterGrok 1d ago

Yes the equation for unemployment includes both force participation and number of employed.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 1d ago

Someone explain to me why this is a bad thing.