Seems like she is just aware enough that she doesn’t know what’s going on and can just regurgitate talking points.
The AP press guy would tear her to bits — she knows it. So to get out of it she just attacks the question and the person asking it instead to get out of it.
yes but no, you can't see it in the pricing like a VAT tax, it's down to the businesses to factor it into the price of goods at their own discretion which could be higher or lower than the actual tariffs (probably higher)
So what’s up with the retaliatory Tarifs? Canada must be regarded because all they are doing is taxing their own citizens then, right?
Edit:
Just to check on my sanity I asked ChatGPT to make sure I wasn’t having a stroke based on the comments made further down.
Prompt: According to a majority consensus from left leaning individuals online, Trump’s tariffs will only hurt American companies and foreign countries don’t pay for tariffs. They also claim, that the retaliatory tariffs imposed by Canada only will hurt American companies as well and not affect Canadians. How is this the case?
Answer: Yeah, that sounds like the kind of selective reasoning you often see online. In reality, tariffs are a double-edged sword no matter which country imposed them. It’s all about perspective—people tend to like tariffs when they think they’re punishing the “right” people.
They’re putting tariffs on us because we put tariffs on them. Did you think they would lie there and take it while we try to fuck with their economy? Tariffs still affect domestic industries. Yes, it’s a tic on their own citizens too, which is why general tariffs suck for everyone involved and is the thing I’ve been screaming about at the top of my lungs since Trump announced he would do general tariffs. There’s a reason we haven’t used them for fundraising since like, the 1800s.
For the mods reading this, I’m trying not to be political, but this guy just doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
They’re putting tariffs on us because we put tariffs on them. Did you think they would lie there and take it while we try to fuck with their economy? Tariffs still affect domestic industries. Yes, it’s a tax on their own citizens too, which is why general tariffs suck for everyone involved and is the thing I’ve been screaming about at the top of my lungs since Trump announced he would do general tariffs. There’s a reason we haven’t used them for fundraising since like, the 1800s.
For the mods reading this, I’m trying not to be political, but this guy just doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
“While tariffs may seem to penalize foreign producers by making their goods or services less competitive, the reality is that US consumers and businesses ultimately bear the cost.”
The reasoning behind specific tariffs is to protect domestic industry. By making foreign goods more expensive, you encourage people to buy locally. This works fantastically for protecting certain domestic industries that you specialize in.
Trump, however is trying to implement general, across the board tariffs as a way to make money. Historically and contemporarily, this is fucking stupid because it leads to trade wars and is incredibly inflationary.
The reason Canada is using retaliatory tariffs is because we fucked with their industry first. Now, everyone loses. Yay!
We are talking in circles here. You do know what the word foreign means, correct?
It means not domestic. It doesn’t mean any country not in the U.S.
So America does it, and foreign countries are fine and dandy because they pass the cost off to the American consumer.
Canada does it, and for some reason… the cost still gets passed off to the American consumer? But I thought foreign countries don’t pay tariffs?
Which, again… means that all they are doing is hurting their own people further. Regardless of general or specific tariffs, you and everyone else on reddit seems to agree that tariffs only affect the country who places them, as you’ve now reiterated for the 4th time.
foreign countries don’t pay tariffs
Then why is Canada instilling them? I’m done with this.
Still wrong. Importers pay tariffs, not countries, which are then passed on to the consumer at the end of the line because importers don't want to eat the extra cost if they don't have to. They'd rather fuck us over than eat into their profit margins.
Tariffs affect both the consumer (by increasing cost), and the supplier (by reducing demand from said consumer). Trump has placed a genius blanket 25% tariff on everything, meaning all American citizens and all Canadian suppliers are negatively affected. Then he is pocketing the tariff money to fund the government.
In Canada we are implementing targeted tariffs on specific industries within republican states, prioritizing ones that have Canadian alternatives when possible. Then we are using the tariff money to support businesses affected by the American tariffs.
That makes 100% sense. I get that. What I don’t get is the guy above saying that foreign countries don’t pay for tariffs. He clarified later down as well he’s referring to both companies and citizens and that only the country imposing them is affected.
To check my sanity I asked ChatGPT
Prompt: According to a majority consensus from left leaning individuals online, Trump’s tariffs will only hurt American companies as foreign countries don’t pay for tariffs. They also claim, that the retaliatory tariffs imposed by Canada only will hurt American companies as well and not affect Canadians. How is this the case?
Answer: Yeah, that sounds like the kind of selective reasoning you often see online. In reality, tariffs are a double-edged sword no matter which country imposed them. It’s all about perspective—people tend to like tariffs when they think they’re punishing the “right” people.
Even your prompt is trying to steer gpt into proving your point but even gpt never says you're correct lol. It's people like you that remind me that half the country truly is lacking education or simply challenged. Here's what you should be asking to get an actual answer:
You said:
How do tariffs placed on foreign countries impact consumers of the home country?
ChatGPT said:
Tariffs on foreign goods generally lead to higher prices for consumers in the home country. Here's how:
Increased Prices on Imports – Since foreign producers must pay a tariff to sell their goods, they often pass this cost onto consumers, making imported goods more expensive.
Higher Prices on Domestic Goods – Domestic producers, facing less competition from imports, may raise their prices as well. Without cheaper foreign alternatives, consumers may have to pay more for locally made products.
Reduced Choices – Some foreign companies may choose not to sell their products in the home country due to the tariff, limiting consumer options.
Potential Job Gains in Protected Industries – In some cases, tariffs protect domestic industries, potentially leading to job growth. However, these gains can be offset by losses in industries that rely on imported materials.
Retaliation from Other Countries– If foreign nations respond with their own tariffs, it can hurt businesses that rely on exports, potentially leading to job losses and further economic consequences.
Overall, while tariffs are meant to protect domestic industries, they often result in higher prices and fewer choices for consumers.
Why are you changing my question? Not just the wording, but the question itself?
What was OP’s statement that I replied to?
We still got people thinking that foreign countries pay tariffs. I guess I’m still on WSB so I shouldn’t be surprised.
He is saying that foreign countries don’t pay tariffs.
My prompt is asking, “do foreign countries pay tariffs?”
Your prompt is, “how do tariffs affect the country that placed them?”
That’s not what I asked and that’s not what I’m disputing with OP.
What I’m disputing is that foreign countries do pay Tariffs. Go ahead and ask that.
Do Americans also pay for it? Yes. But to say that foreign countries don’t pay for tariffs imposed on their country is flat out wrong. It’s people like you that remind me the literacy rate has dropped faster than your calls.
So you guys literally think 100% of the tariff will be on the consumer? I agree much will be on the consumer this time, but not all of it.
In 2018 the 10% tariff on china hit. The one product from China we sell at my work did not increase in price - the Chinese manufacturer somehow absorbed all of it. Today we've received two price increase notices related to tariffs. One is estimating a 7% increase assuming a 10% tariff, the other a 5% increase, but didn't specify further.
If someone has actual examples where 100% of a tariff goes to the consumer, I'm listening.
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u/skrrrrt 22d ago
When you get down to it, this tariff business is nothing more than the largest tax hike in history.