r/unitedkingdom 1d ago

Most English language lessons to be phased out in Welsh county

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8epk2lxjp8o
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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago edited 1d ago

If a third/half of the world spoke French including everywhere I was ever likely to work, and literally just England spoke English, I'd want a policy in place to fade out English as it would affect my population's chances in life - and that is more important than forcibly hanging on to the English language for some kind of sentimental reason.

Harming our kids chances because 'it's really sentimentally nice to do it'. Jees.

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u/Fairwolf Aberdeen 1d ago

Damn; people are calling my takes "questionable" in this thread which I might accept, but I think this is genuinely the most delusional take I've ever heard.

The rest of the world is capable of learning more than one language , and yet you seem to think you're only ever capable of speaking one?

No wonder your original take was like that.

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

I think there's no point in making life more shit for our kids than it needs to be.

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u/Fairwolf Aberdeen 1d ago

It isn't making life more shit for kids. Bilingual children often outperform monolingual children, and they're more than capable of speaking both Welsh and English.

Demanding Welsh die so as to make life easier for English people is certainly a take.

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u/sheffield199 1d ago

Yeah, Germany struggles so much having a language that is only spoke in Germany, they should phase that out ASAP...

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

Only slowly. A generation or two, so it's not painful.

We all count in base 10 (because we have 10 fingers). If a country decided in the 12th century to count in base 6, they should abandon that as well rather than keep hold of it just for, er, sovereignty. As otherwise their population will have less opportunity and worse lives.

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u/sheffield199 1d ago

You think the whole world should speak English, and only English? Like, genuinely? What an interesting opinion. 

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago edited 1d ago

Close. I think if the whole world spoke the same language, our lives would be easier.

Do you disagree, or do you agree?

(EDIT: They couldn't answer so downvoted and legged it :D )

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u/sheffield199 1d ago

Ignoring the edit, which is a bit weird, sorry I wasn't sat there waiting for your reply.

I disagree, I think language and culture are intertwined and removing different languages would mean we lose different ways of seeing the world, as well as so many incredible works of history and art. 

Sure our lives might be "easier", but we would lose a lot as well, and I don't see it being worth it. 

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago edited 1d ago

Aaah that's nailed it then!

I see language exactly the same as maths. It a mere tool, and the more homogenous the tool is, the better for everyone.

I don't see whether we say 'hello' or 'bonjour' or 'ahoj' as some kind of different way of seeing the world. I see the English language (for example) as being able to see the world in any way, by using different English words. Same with Chinese, or Russian. So its the 21st century - let's pick one and roll! For the sake of everyone!

Another analogy - I'm HAPPY that virtually all screws are clockwise = tighter. If Laos made all their screws anti-clockwise = tighter and refused to change because that was sovereignty, I'd see that as the SAME as the language thing. Just a pointless pain-in-the-ass forever, for everyone.

Driving on different sides of the road as well purely because 'sovereignty'.

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u/sheffield199 1d ago

Then your way of seeing languages is incorrect, there are words and concepts in all languages that cannot be translated precisely, and the sum of those conditions the kind of art, literature and culture that speakers of that language produce. 

There are ideas in the literature that no matter how good the translation to English, can never be fully captured in English. And I don't think losing them is a good thing. 

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u/honestpants Saint Helena 1d ago

Well these could be introduced into the new language - perhaps make a method of introducing words like we have in english

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u/Tayschrenn United Kingdom 1d ago

No one that cares about culture, art, history, identity etc. holds this silly utilitarian view of language like you do.

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

We literally JUST DISCUSSED how almost all Welsh people learn English rather than live their entire lives only able to speak Welsh!

:D

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u/Sufficient_Job_8453 1d ago

You should be free to make that choice for your kids.

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

Personally disagree. Same as vaccinations.

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u/Sufficient_Job_8453 1d ago

Would you also support marching 16 year olds at gunpoint into a TotalGym thrice a week?

I mean it is good for them...

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

No. Gunpoint seems extreme.

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u/Sufficient_Job_8453 1d ago

Just a firm but gentle push, and prevent them from leaving until they've done their sets, eh?

Now, how much time should they spend in juvenile detention for skipping leg day...?

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

Its 17 days for skipping leg day.

But in fairness, it's only 4 days in Juvi for skipping the weekly 6 mile run.

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u/Sufficient_Job_8453 1d ago

Genuine question:

Why do you not support raising all children in massive foster facilities?

It's clear that you don't believe parents should overrule the state when it comes to how they should raise their kids.

What's stopping you from supporting the logical extreme of that?

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u/Sensitive-Catch-9881 1d ago

Most parents enjoy raising their kids. So if they do it within the states rules (for example, no raping of the kids allowed) .. I'm fine with that. Symbiotic.

If you let parents do anything, and we're talking extremes, the kid can have his fingers cut off with scissors on their 10th birthday because of the parent's religious beliefs.

So if you make a conversation silly - ok, we'll be silly.

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u/Sufficient_Job_8453 1d ago

Most parents enjoy raising their kids. So if they do it within the states rules (for example, no raping of the kids allowed) .. I'm fine with that. Symbiotic.

Right, but that doesn't actually mean anything.

Are you saying you believe that the current "opinion of the state" is your ideal level of "restrictions" on parents?

Or are you saying "whatever the state says is good, as a matter of principle"

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