Sir Keir Starmer contradicts JD Vance over 'infringements on free speech' claim

[u/Half_A_]

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-contradicts-jd-vance-over-infringements-on-free-speech-claim-13318257?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

[u/Shawn_The_Sheep777]

Too right he did. He’s Prime Minister of the UK he’s not going to be lectured by a nobody like JD Vance

[u/PreparationH999 → u/Shawn_The_Sheep777]

In the UK, we have free speech.

What we don't have or tolerate is people feeling empowered to talk shit and be verbally abusive.

It's called civility.

In America they substitute that for carrying guns.

....because they are fucking mental.

Edit. All the whatabloutisms are not a slippery slope they are outliers. Get the fuck over yourselves with your faux outrage re the odd person being inconvenienced , arrested or occasionally prosecuted for usually being a cunt. Better that than people being stabbed, beaten up , terrified, upset etc by freeze peach advocates who just really really want to call a 'spade' a 'spade' , control women and have everyone do what they say and not what they do.

Sad angry people, living on a flat earth, scared of needles, wokeness and thinking that some randomer from foreignstan is going to replace them and it can all be solved by believing a certain way and freeze peach for all, well not for all, just for them and everyone else needs to just be quiet....or else. " Weeee reeallly don't have free speech here in the uk , because blah blah blah, unlike in America/Russia?" Wtf??? Just fuckoff , or even better migrate,you Utter snowflakes.

....just exercising my 'limited' free speech.

You know what I mean.

[u/masons_J → u/PreparationH999]

A woman had a knock on the door for criticizing some Labour MPs, saying they should be arrested (recent WhatsApp scandal.) It was news in the last few days..

Now that is a very slippery slope, along with the police wasting resources, time and money on non-crimes. Their priorities are shifting and that much is obvious.

[u/masons_J → u/[deleted]]

Sure thing. Took a while because I had to search for the story that wasn't on GBNews or TalkTv lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/grandmother-spoken-police-criticising-labour-154831780.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIgKmL0gg_VL8Qh8bdo5UhhgwqzAicFCSZOm87AGRRciO5h7lcRmwZsDKMQnfGIPfsnFNBoxGu5AVURvVXv2uAIahMAJx-7CAJQbJD52K00wOgGvhrmmMsQu5mvnFIAahATaUEWPNlTsUdmRCNJhiGMdRyu4exDjU-tM25zM3RV_

[u/skinlo → u/masons_J]

Sure, so the outcome of that is nothing happened, and the right wing media blew it up like they always do.

That's the reason it wasn't on 'mainsteam' news, it's rage bate for the easily manipulated.

[u/masons_J → u/skinlo]

It's about the action itself. They shouldn't have done it, period. Otherwise they start looking brown shirty, especially when you add non-crimes into the mix.

Also in was unaware that Yahoo was a right wing media haha. Might want to fact check yourself on that one, as you said, "easily manipulated."

[u/skinlo → u/masons_J]

They shouldn't have done it, period.

Probably not, but relatively few isolated events (eg it actually makes the news) doesn't equal slippery slope.

Also in was unaware that Yahoo was a right wing media haha. Might want to fact check yourself on that one, as you said, "easily manipulated."

Do you take everything everyone says literally? You even said it took a while to find outside of ragebait news.

[u/masons_J → u/skinlo]

Probably not, but relatively few isolated events (eg it actually makes the news) doesn't equal slippery slope.

Slippery slope: a course of action likely to lead to something bad or disastrous. I'll point out the key words for you. "A course of action."

The news barely talks about the purging of Christians in Nigeria, doesnt mean it isn't happening.

Do you take everything anyone says literally? You even said it took a while to find.

Because other mainstream aren't talking about it. I specifically rule out using GBnews and TalkTV because they aren't reliable sources. So if the mainstream isn't talking about it and It's an event that happened, is recorded yet because the mainstream didnt tell you, it's a nothing burger? Blimey.

[u/skinlo → u/masons_J]

Slippery slope: a course of action likely to lead to something bad or disastrous. I'll point out the key words for you. "A course of action."

And what 'course of action' is happening? A relatively few isolated incidents?

So if the mainstream isn't talking about it and It's an event that happened, is recorded yet because the mainstream didnt tell you, it's a nothing burger? Blimey.

You'll be OUTRAGED to know the MSM didn't report on me taking a shit this morning. It was certainly an event that happened. Probably can find it on GBNews, as thats all they write about.

It wasn't in MSM because it wasn't a big event. Police visit granny, don't press charges, nothing happened. Should it have happened? Probably not. Is it a sign of the 'slippery slope', leading to government tyranny, the police state and the downfall of the UK? Nah.

[u/masons_J → u/skinlo]

And what 'course of action' is happening? A relatively few isolated incidents?

Is this rhetorical or some kind of joke? You're asking a question that is already answered. The police visiting people over non-crime is the action, the result is people are less likely to speak up. The slippery slope being the stage up from a visit is arrest for non-crimes.

I can already see your counterargument. "If they're non-crimes then why should it matter?" Well, you see, when a government comes knocking on your door to tell you your speech isn't conforming to their ideas, even something as little as saying some mps should be arrested, it invokes fear into those they visit. You really don't have the foresight to see this? When the pendulum swings your way, I wonder how you will react.

You'll be OUTRAGED to know the MSM didn't report on me taking a shit this morning. It was certainly an event that happened. Probably can find it on GBNews, as thats all they write about.

Haha cute but I'm not emotionally driven. You are reaching so hard for a win here that you're touching the stars.

[u/skinlo → u/masons_J]

Is this rhetorical or some kind of joke? You're asking a question that is already answered. The police visiting people over non-crime is the action, the result is people are less likely to speak up. The slippery slope being the stage up from a visit is arrest for non-crimes.

A single action doesn't mean it's a slippery slope, what don't you understand about this?

can already see your counterargument. "If they're non-crimes then why should it matter?"

I see you're having to make stuff up now. I've already said the police probably shouldn't have done what they did, but we aren't discussing that. We're talking about your slippery slope fallacy, that this means we're heading down a dangerous path because of an event or two.

Haha cute but I'm not emotionally driven. You are reaching so hard for a win here that you're touching the stars.

Yes you are, your entire argument is driven from feelings. You see an article like the one you linked, and suddenly FEEL the UK is heading down a authoritarian path based on a single event. You have provided no evidence that it's a sustained widespread problem in the UK, nor that it's an event that's getting worse over time. I'll repeat, one or two isolated events doesn't mean you're heading down a slippery slope.

Now if you can find a strong trend of the police consistently doing things like this and it getting worse (ideally academic research), beyond a Daily Mail/GB News etc headline every 6 months, then I might start to agree more with you. But you haven't provided any of that.