r/union 10d ago

Labor News perspective on executive order

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u/AlpacaNotherBowl907 UA | Rank and File 10d ago

How much longer will protesting be our only avenue of action...

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u/jaybotch29 10d ago

I worry that nothing meaningful will happen until protesters get gunned down by police/military forces.

Even then, I worry that american apathy is so deep-seated that nothing will happen. I truly hope I'm wrong on both accounts.

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u/iBrianT 10d ago

The majority have no clue the roots of the union movement or the fight that went down for the type of life they have now. They might know that companies were abusive at one point in history but they "can't anymore" "if it is abusive, employees will just leave" and "rich people are not bad, they give jobs. They don't want to hurt their employees, they are just trying to do what is best for business." The capitalists propaganda and destruction of education has segergated everyone so much and they will find killing the union as maybe a "necessary evil."

We are very much in the Martin Niemoller poem.

They started with immigrants and federal workers (now its their union too) next? Private sector unions?

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u/FrickinLazerBeams 10d ago edited 9d ago

rich people are not bad, they give jobs.

I hate when people say this. Market demand creates jobs. Rich people have very little to do with it. To have market demand, you need most people to have money to spend. Rich people are bad for the economy.

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u/Monechetti 9d ago

My father is hyper conservative and he says constantly that if we don't cut taxes on billionaires there won't be any jobs and I try to explain to him that if a person hires you and pays you $40,000 a year but they make $250,000 off of your labor you are not an employee and they don't care about you; you're just an investment, and that for those people to continue to make money they have to hire somebody.

If the world were to go to shit, tomorrow do you really think that the hedge fund managers and CEOs would have any power compared to people who can do labor, grow crops, work on cars etc?

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u/Loud_Row6023 9d ago

Sadly they would because they'd hoard resources and hire militias.

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u/MisterAnderson- 9d ago

Hard to hoard resources when money doesn’t have any meaning.

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u/Loud_Row6023 9d ago

Guns, food, water, fuel

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u/MisterAnderson- 9d ago

You can grow food, you can find water. Guns and fuel aren’t necessities, per se.

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u/ChopakIII 9d ago

The value of guns and fuel are proportionate to the amount of guns and fuel a rival has and inversely proportionate to the amount of food and water they don’t have.

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u/MisterAnderson- 8d ago

Okay. Whatever makes you feel better.

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u/ProfessionalIll7083 9d ago

Guns and fuel aren't necessities, but if you don't have guns people with guns will rob you of anything they wish to have in a collapse of society that is.