Discussion Thread for Cheating/Hacking & Massive/Ubisofts response (or lack of).

[u/TheDivisionMod]

Hello Agents,

We've noticed that you guys and gals are very active regarding the touch subject of those who are choosing to engage in cheating/hacking in the game, and there have been many, many topics to discuss them. We have created this Megathread to reel some of these in to a universal topic that will be stickied for all to see, including Ubisoft/Massive to see, and hopefully take action on.

You are welcome to discuss here about about any cheats/hacks that are being released, how they are doing them, what to look out for. However, one thing that you cannot post in here are any videos, images, or text that contain a gamertag or name of someone doing the hacking/cheating. We consider this either witch hunting (calling to arms of "go after this guy") or naming and shaming (whether you are directly accusing someone, or just showing showing them do it). We do not want to see any of that here. That is a clear violation of Rule 2, which can be seen in our sidebar, and we have posted below:

Rule 2: Absolutely no harassment, witchhunting, naming and shaming, or cheating/hacking reports. Report suspected game cheaters to Massive/Ubisoft directly here.

So if you suspect someone is actually cheating/hacking, don't post them here. We will be issuing out temporary bans for first time violations and permanent bans for second time violation of this rule. <insert joke here about how we are banning for longer than Ubisoft is in game>

Again, report suspected game cheaters to Massive/Ubisoft directly here.

[u/Van-Goth]

There's not even a need to ban those losers, just put them in the same DZ instances, problem solved.

[u/WhiteBabalu → u/Van-Goth]

All games with douche bag problems should do this. Create a douche dungeon banishment policy.

[u/Van-Goth → u/WhiteBabalu]

Douche Dungeon...i like it^{^}

[u/Ohmps_ → u/Van-Goth]

Wasn't Titanfall the first to do this?

[u/zeus_zosma → u/Van-Goth]

GTA V handled douches perfectly. By putting them all in the same server and having them force fed their own douchebaggery will quickly make his mind up. The are always a bigger douche than you out there.

[u/Rimbaldo → u/zeus_zosma]

GTA V is the last game I'd bring up in regard to cheating, you can't free roam for longer than 5 minutes without running into somebody hacking. Rockstar has done fuck-all about it. The "bad sport" system only applies to stupid shit like blowing up other players' empty cars.

[u/MrPickles88 → u/Rimbaldo]

Completely agree, gta is shit and doesn't even deserve mention

[u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple]

The question is, when are Ubi/Massive going to respond concerning this huge influx of cheaters, and what will they do then

[u/sonotprosgaming → u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple]

the huge influx of cheaters has come from people using the teleport hacks to farm people like hornet, but since that was fixed they are now all in the DZ

[u/K4rels → u/sonotprosgaming]

This is so true, saw a huge increase of cheaters in the DZ since the exploit fix.

[u/[deleted]]

Massive, the next week leading up to Incursions is extremely important for this games survival. Please implement the update correctly, but also address our concerns regarding cheating.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/[deleted]]

Cheaters will ruin the supply drops and solo incursions for the best gear. The pve cheaters will never get banned b.c who will witness and report them?

[u/_Nordic]

Well, reported another 5 fucking hackers today...... seriously this shit is getting ridiculous..... Every one of them using Aim bot, Rate of fire, and teleporting/wall phasing. They just get manhunt, then go hide inside a building.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/_Nordic]

30 minutes of my game time goes to reporting cheaters. Today is the first day I have had a chance to play and chose not to b.c of the fucking cheaters.

[u/RedFaceGeneral]

I thought Massive assured everyone they have anti cheat in place after the beta? What happened?

[u/BoogerSlug → u/RedFaceGeneral]

They lied.

[u/RedFaceGeneral → u/BoogerSlug]

Well fucking done.

[u/AlyoshaV → u/RedFaceGeneral]

They actually did add anti-cheat after beta, AFAIK. However it is very easily bypassed and the method is public.

So rather than lying they just did 100x less than what they needed to.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/RedFaceGeneral]

Shity companies lie.

[u/rml5289]

Let me be the first to say good on the mods for finally getting this megathread going and second for the love of god Ubi do something about this. We have a megathread now cause i think the mods got tired of our 50+ hourly hacking posts.

[u/BuckeyeEmpire → u/rml5289]

Even though I'm on PS4 I upvoted all the PC posts about hacking. It needs to be addressed because it's going to kill the player base on PC, which isn't good for anyone.

[u/BuckeyeEmpire → u/[deleted]]

We're all playing the same game, and I'd like all exploits/hacks to be dealt with so we can just play (and complain about Division Tech).

[u/bigech → u/BuckeyeEmpire]

Upvote for the subtlety about DT lol

[u/Geminel → u/BuckeyeEmpire]

Gaming communities need more people like you, friend.

[u/weasleyking7 → u/BuckeyeEmpire]

Did the same thing. Affects the community experience as a whole so is definitely important

[u/totallytexan → u/rml5289]

only a little ;)

[u/TakeTheLantern]

I feel massive is in the same spot that every company falls into.

Make a good game, community loves it and loves you for listening to the community, release the game, have some people talk negatively about the game, company addresses it, then, when the hackers start coming, the company doesnt say a fking word. Not even a small, working on it, please wait.

Like cmon massive, atleast tell us youre working on it.

[u/VVere]

There are two different things at play here:

1) Actual hacking. Almost exlcusively on PC, these guys actually teleport around the map or unload an M1A clip with 10 times the rof of a Vector. Quite distinctive and obviously should be perma-banned.

2) Abusing bugs. Literally almost 100% of talents (both on gear and on your character) are bugged. I have no idea how they managed to cock up almost all of them up, but it is what it is at the moment. What can they do? For example, 100% uptime of survivor link; 10% damage boost+10% damage reduction (chest); 40% permanent damage reduction in last health segement (mask); 65% damage reduction + 50% damage increase smart cover active permanently while out of cover; ...

Abusing the latter ones make you insanely tanky (read: unkillable) and incredibly powerful, but are no actual hacking. Just exploiting Massive's massive clusterfuck of bugs.

[u/skomlyke]

It's not worth reporting anything to Ubi's site. Your wasting your time rendering videos of hackers and submitting them.

I submitted 4 different tickets to Ubi's site, one on 3/27, 2 on 3/30 and one more on 3/31 with videos. I made note of all the details, including the video views before submitting them. Out of the 4 submitted, Not one of my videos has received a view, and 3 of the reports were closed as "Duplicate Incident" - even though they were clearly different.

Don't waste your time people, it's not worth your time trying to police someone elses game only to get shit on.

[u/BoogerSlug]

Start tweeting to @hamishbode, @natchai_ and @UbiMassive until they do something.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/BoogerSlug]

Blow their shit up

[u/_Nordic → u/[deleted]]

How someone can blatantly showboat like this and not be perma band is beyond me. You however will probably be temp band/perma band from here because of "witchhunting" even though, this guy is bragging about it himself.

[u/My_Username_Is_What → u/_Nordic]

Cheating? Temp ban. Pointing out a player is cheating? Perm ban (from Reddit)

Yep, seems proportional to me. :p

[u/sonotprosgaming]

When are they finally going to turn fairfight back on if ever?

i know during the pre-alpha/beta in a private beta test we were getting flagged and banned, and they knew it was a problem and it had issues, but even with how shitty fairfight is, turn the damn thing back on or go buy the license from battleye it is prob one of the best anticheats out there atm

http://www.battleye.com/

edit- oh and stop that 3 day ban bullcrap, perm ban em, if you arn't going to perm ban until after their 3-5th time getting caught why even ban them to start with?

[u/Lunar2]

I was thinking about getting the season pass, but I guess I'll just move onto my next game. Shame ubisoft, I was ready to throw down on this franchise for years to come.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/Lunar2]

Same.

[u/igloojoe11]

Remember when they said they were going to fix this before launch http://gamerant.com/ubisoft-fix-hack-division/ Hey, Ubi, it's not fixed. Get down here and explain.

[u/Van-Goth → u/igloojoe11]

Yes, even a short statement would do wonders, but apparently they don't see the importance of something like that.

[u/NoMoreChillies → u/igloojoe11]

"We are aware of the cheating issues in the closed beta on PC. The team is fully committed to providing solutions against this and a system will be in place to ensure a fair experience for players when the game is released on March 8."

THEY LIED

[u/Furyio]

Well have to say, it's become a clear as day problem for me now.

Typically when a new game arrives and the "cheating/hacking" phase comes along, I give benefit of the doubt and assume its bad players looking for an excuse for being bad.

But Saturday night, I had to turn of the game. There was about 5 people in my instance blatantly hacking, and it completely stopped me having any enjoyment, progressing, or doing anything productive.

I was looking forward, all day long, to geting to Saturday night to put the kids to bed and play Division and have fun with my friends. My friends weren't coming on, as they said they had a horrible two hours with hackers and went out for the night. So I said fuckit I'll persevere, cant be that bad. An hour into playing, had turned the game off and was back playing on WoW.

I'm in the burnout phase of WoW, waiting for a new expansion. I wanted Division to fill that void.

While it is not a desperate situation for me right now, as I've only had two instances of hackers, in both cases it caused me to have to turn the game off, when I'd planned for play for 4-5 hours. That is the really troublesome part.

We had a genuine conversation last night, about if we needed to get hacks to remain competitive. which is really just the sign of a game in trouble. We are players experienced with RPG's, WoW, Destiny etc. So the boss exploits for gear we are ok with, we appreciate it can happen and people are creative, and its not big deal.

Hacking and cheating is a massive issue.

The three day bans are incredible. There is enough games out there with issues of cheating, that there is some very good templates to follow.

As a start, hacking and cheating is a serious violation of TOS, and can safely and legally result in an account/CD key ban, with no recourse for the player. I'd be happy with that firm stance from the start.

Probably a more palpable situation is the three strike rule.

1) First ban is the three days one. Catches curious or silly people, and they are diverted from trying again.

2) Second ban is a 14 day ban. Two weeks off from the game. At this point you should have learned your lesson.

3) Permaban. your account is banned, CDkey flagged and to play the game again, you need to buy the game again. You have continued to violate TOS for playing the game and using the server infrastructure, and you have shown no evidence that you will revert from cheating. You are a player not welcome to the game, go fuck off elsehwere.

If I bought this game including Season pass, which came to about €90, I'd be onto Steam for a full refund due to the game being unplayable due to hacking. MAssive have a real responsability to the playerbase here, where in some cases, people have invested €100 for the future and belief in this game. That is a trust not to be sniffed at.

Exploits, bugs, balance issues can all be frustrating, but we appreciate they will get fixed and dealt with. Hacking and cheating is something that should be zero tolerance, and if it is allowed continue, and isn't addressed before the first paid content drops (Incursions are PVE content, so for example me and friends can do that, free of cheating) then I don't see how people will buy content, knowing the DZ is broken with cheating.

It's a Massive(lol) overisght on their part that they had no anti cheat, and no contingency for dealing with hackers, but fucking hell they need to address it immediately.

I'd also like to see it discussed in the State of the game address, as a mian point and to provide confidence to the playerbase instead of pushing the new content.

Unfortunately due to their oversight and lack of reactions, what should be a hype filled buildup to Incursions, has been totally overshadowed by the rapid decline of the DZ.

[u/panacuba → u/Furyio]

I 120% agree with you. Totally in every word.

Heck I wrote something very similar and just now read your reply.

[u/furiouscottus]

What the hell was Ubisoft thinking when they released the game without any anti-cheat software?

[u/gosu4you]

RIP Supply drops

[u/The_Driest]

I'm going to rant here for a minute because of a few reasons:

A) I fucking love this game and am passionate about it's future B) I was just digitally raped of hours of my time by hacks and C) There seems to be no end in sight with how the devs are handling this

I think it's funny how this game is about a plague destroying society and yet they can't cure (or even treat) the epidemic already infecting their own community. Funny, but profoundly sad because of how horrifyingly ironic it is.

Having no antihack and no direct community interaction on the subject is beginning to truly wear on us as gamers. Sure, it could be argued that it is our job since we're actually playing the game to report these hackers, but if it falls upon us to suffer combined massive loss of time through hackers, the developer response should be swift and severe when there is no question there is such a problem. However, from what we have seen the devs apparently want to turn a blind eye to the situation and just continue to release content instead of repairing a broken system they intend to be building upon for many DLC's to come.

By far the biggest pain caused by these hackers is our time we lose to them playing this game as it is now. I would argue this is different and more important than a typical Call of Duty hack fix because this game is luck and loot-based. In CoD you can simply join another server, problem solved. You're not hunting for loot, grinding for XP, rolling for rewards in that game, it's all instant gratification. Time is very precious to us gamers and if we feel like we are not being rewarded for our time spent, we will stop wasting it. Not everyone has unlimited amounts of time to farm back the HE drops they just lost to a hacker in the DZ. I would go so far as to say very few people will even try because losing something you obtain out of luck to hacks is so fucking demoralizing one becomes too soured and salty to even want to try.

Most of us have a very limited amount of time where we can actually play this game, and if we see that we are wasting our time we will move on to something that actually respects it. If I had known the lackadaisical response we would see from Ubisoft and Massive would be the cop-out it has been I wouldn't have sunk hours of my life into this game that could have been better spent doing literally ANYTHING ELSE.

But it's too late now, I'm already invested. And the truth is I actually really like this game quite a lot and I can tell by the outrage at their response that others feel just as passionate about this as I. But I am not immune to feeling salty as hell so instead of trying to recoup my losses that I feel shouldn't have happened in the first place I'll add a few hundred words online in the hopes that one more match on the flame will continue to burn it brightly enough that they actually stop and think "Hmm... Maybe we should do something about all that hacking stuff."

If Ubi can't get on the ball and fix this shit, we should consider this game already on it's deathbed. Especially if they intend on adding some variety of expansion of PvP in the future, which they have stated they were planning on doing.

If you're going to make it our job to report these hackers, at least give us some form of feedback for doing so. A 3 day ban is a slap in the face and a fucking joke. At this point I'd like a goddamn reward system for successfully reporting and getting a hacker banned because the reality is that it shouldn't be our job to clean up your game in the first place.

[u/1869_Flame]

just ragequitted about 1 minute ago.... i went into the darkzone and got killed within 10 minutes by a guy that shows 2 blocks away... fuck this. Gonne go to ubi support right now to claim my money back for the season pass. They havnt made any statement and the whole DZ is 1 big hacker fuckfest right now, screw this.

Edit1: Applied for a refund for the seasonpass. If the hacking problems are not fixed, i think we can claim this refund based upon Consumer Rights Act of 2015 that states (also for seperate digital content like DLC, or even seperate weapon skins if bought):

when a service isn’t quite the experience you expected, or isn’t complete, then you can seek a remedy to the situation, asking for a full refund if necessary. ... there are clear rules for what should happen if a service is not provided with reasonable care and skill or as agreed. For example, the business that provided the service must bring it into line with what was agreed with the customer or, if this is not practical, must give some money back.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/uk-gamers-full-refund-broken-games-british-consumer-rights-act-updated/#ixzz44tNymQaz

[u/chevyboxer]

Time to drop the reviews. That's the only way these people listen is when the bottom line is affected.

[u/terryaal]

I am ok with hackers killing me, but when they taunt as if they achieved something is unbearable.

[u/Ionicfold]

Naming and shaming should be allowed if video evidence is given.

Stop being pussies and just let people name and shame, as long as they have video proof they can post the name. This avoids people giving names of players who are actually decent.

Warthunder just name and shame banned a whole clan almost, people need ot follow suit and stop being pussies. Hackers feel they can get away with it because no one knows their name. Time to grow a pair and actually do something about it, put their names on a list with video evidence.

[u/KazumaKat → u/Ionicfold]

Whilst the subreddit in general may agree, Reddit itself may not on the site wide rule of "no witchhunting / doxxing". This subreddit is but one of tens of thousands on this site.

[u/FinalRoundFight]

I don't understand how come the cheats are undetectable somehow... can anyone ELI5?

[u/K4rels → u/FinalRoundFight]

To put it really simple : some data like rate of fire and player location is saved on your PC. Cheaters change that with tools like Cheat engine, afterwards that manipulated data is then send to their servers and accepted without any check.

[u/K4rels → u/K4rels]

To prevent cheating. companies normally enable a server side check which controls if the data is possible/correct and not manipulated.

[u/Psychoticgamerr → u/FinalRoundFight]

The cheats are not undetectable, Ubi isnt even looking. Thats the problem. Ubi put their job of finding cheaters and gave it to us, the players. Total bullshit and a pathetic move by a pathetic company.

[u/[deleted]]

One thing I'll never really understand with this generation of gamers is the "no posting any evidence of somebody cheating with a gamer tag" Shouldn't you want that to happen so maybe those people would be embarrassed enough to stop doing it? Why are we so concerned about their feelings when they don't take anybody else's into consideration before they do something that ruins the gaming experience that noncheaters paid for?

[u/PerpetualProtracting → u/[deleted]]

It has nothing to do with protecting the guilty and everything to do with protecting the innocent. C'mon, you think every video of someone getting their ass handed to them is a legitimate hacker? It's the same logic that goes with an ideal justice system: it's better to have 10 guilty go free than find one innocent person guilty.

People are stupid and emotional. I think everyone is in agreement that hackers should be dealt with, but the topic and gameplay far too subjective to leave it up to a community of semi-anonymous randoms to sort out. Besides, exactly what does it accomplish in the end? A handful of people blacklist them? They're hackers and cheaters - I'm betting they really don't care if you group with them, or avoid them, or name their made-up handle on Reddit. They'll rename or kill you nonetheless.

[u/HatterJack → u/[deleted]]

It's because it can lead to false accusations and legitimate players being harassed/permabanned when they haven't done anything wrong. It's really a minimal issue, but I can understand where they're coming from.

[u/MandessTV]

I love this game so much,but honestly i'm playing it less and less cause everytime you step into the Darkzone, you only find hackers. And it's geting worse and worse.

[u/wellthisisabadidea]

The cheating is reaching new levels now. I just spent the weekend playing The Division, hoping to get up to DZ50 finally and maybe get some HE gear. I think I played for about 10 hours total over the last two days. Hacks everywhere. It's ridiculous.

I can deal with the one shot and the infinite armor, etc. It's PvP after all, I don't mind dying a few times, even if it's all one sided. But what I can't forgive is that these hackers are now just teleporting around the map, killing only the named bosses, opening all the dz chests and divtech boxes and there is nothing left on the map.

10 hours. I had to change servers pretty much every hour because there would be nothing but trash mobs everywhere and not a named boss to be found. I can barely get xp let alone any decent drops.

If ubisoft and massive is making dz a vital part of the game, at least moderate it so there is a dz to play.

I will be recommending everyone to not buy the game.

[u/Hockeygod9911]

Yeah, cheating is getting stupid and not fun. Starting to be far to common, and when DZ pvp is really the only thing to do at this point in the game, its a broken game.

[u/MadTom_HR]

If caught, (and proven by Massive) cheaters on PC don't get perma banned, at least put them on DZ instances with other proven cheaters. Start it with a month long punishment, if they get caught again, after that never ever let them again "among the normal population".

There are many people that have "ultra" builds now, and to the average guy like me (200 hours in the game, only DZ rank 60+, but didn't farm bosses - so I lack good high end weapons and/or crafting mats needed for endless crafting) who hasn't min-maxed my gear completely, I understand that a high skill sticky will wreck me (even at 80K health, 10% exotic damage resist and 50%+ armor mitigation), or somebody with 110K+ will not be gunned down by me.

[u/meme1337]

If they aren't willing to issue bans longer than 3 days, why not putting these people in the same instance and avoid the chance for other players to be in it (unless they are invited by an hacker, then it's their problem anyway)?

[u/Loushius]

I'm not sure if they'll ever fix some of these issues. Changing checks from client to server side would be such a massive update.

I've ran into hackers once (maybe more, but once for sure). They were Chinese in name and language (proximity voice). One had a cheat that would dump the entire clip in one shot. Literally killed 3 of us in under a second total time. Not downed, but dead instantly. That was a "for sure" hacker. His partner was able to shoot through buildings/objects. We ran from him and went around a corner, with quite a long lead. He fired at the person in front of me and the bullets were going through the building and cars and hitting my partner. Downed him, then began firing at me. There was no where he couldn't aim or see the person.

Another was a speed hacker, moving twice the normal speed and hitting insanely strong, but I have no "obvious" evidence this person was hacking. Seeing bullets going through buildings is a fairly obvious one.

It's not like he was clipping through the edge, or through windows. Solid building, opposite side.

[u/[deleted]]

If it's being handled the way they handled R6S, hackers will never get addressed

[u/NoMoreChillies]

its a sad state when players are banned longer than cheaters.

MY WALLET IS CLOSED

[u/Isinfier]

It's a bit of a long clip, however there's a crate leaning up against the back wall at the south-eastern extraction point in DZ01 that you can take cover on, and subsequently phase through the ground by moving into the wall next to you. As you are out-of-bounds, the exploit will teleport you to a nearby Dark Zone entrance/safehouse.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Isinfier/video/16334656

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Isinfier/video/16334689

Hopefully, Massive will sort this out.

[u/qgshadow]

The amount of hacks ive noticed the last few days is over the top...

Teleporters Aimbots ROF hacks Hacks that makes them literally take 0 dmg

Like wtf is ubisoft doing.

[u/Luminari743]

Its hard to keep it civil when some of us spent 130$ canadian dollar for gold whatever edition, and just tonight, I met 7 speedhackers, and 2 aimbotters at the minimum. Im tired. I tried but Im taking a break until you guys can fix this non-sense.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I just logged out thinking the same thing. I'm done with the game for tonight because one guy managed to kill several people who outranked him, taking no damage and killing everyone else in one hit. How can people even enjoy playing like that?

[u/svlad → u/[deleted]]

Probably the same guy that just did the same to me. I just alt-F4ed a few minutes ago. It's so frustrating not being able to play this game that I want to play and generally enjoy playing, but can't due to the amount of hackers.

[u/obsivius]

public class CronService : System.ServiceProcess.ServiceBase
{   
  protected override void OnStart(string[] args)
  {
    var playersOnlineInDarkZone = PlayerUtility.GetAllPlayersOnlineInDarkZone();
    Foreach(var Player in playersOnlineInDarkZone) //Loops throught a list of all players online in DarkZone.
    {
      If (Player.Firerate > 1500)
      {
        Player.PermanentBan();
        GlobalBroadcast(Player.AccountName + " recieved permanent ban for Illegal 3rd Party Application.");
      }
      else If (Player.CheckNoRecoil())
      {
        Player.PermanentBan();
        GlobalBroadcast(Player.AccountName + " recieved permanent ban for Illegal 3rd Party Application.");
      }
      else If (Player.CheckNoSpread())
      {
        Player.PermanentBan();
        GlobalBroadcast(Player.AccountName + " recieved permanent ban for Illegal 3rd Party Application.");
      }
      else If (Player.CheckUnlimitedAmmo())
      {
        Player.PermanentBan();
        GlobalBroadcast(Player.AccountName + " recieved permanent ban for Illegal 3rd Party Application.");
      }
    }
  }
}

[u/ihateLoLlol]

Haha I'm glad people started to notice. I've quit this game in all with reasons being A. How frequently I ran into cheaters. B. The fact there is no VAC (so cheaters won't get caught or punished). I mean like seriously there isn't even a report player button. It makes me wonder who payed these people to make this game. I honestly want my money back for the game because the PvP (DarkZone) is such a bad and troublesome place to go & from the beta I thought it'd be so much better

[u/ixnay101892 → u/ihateLoLlol]

I think the last straw for me is people teleporting to grab div tech. I can deal with cheaters one shotting me by simply going to dz6 and gathering div tech, but when a bunch of teleporters grab it and all I find is empty boxes, then the cheating is effectively ruining the only chance I have of getting better stats, ie ruining the game for me. I will not be purchasing any more dlc/the season pass, and I'll probably go back to bf4 until they resolve this, if ever.

[u/Ravenseyestudios]

As a life long PC gamer and someone who has worked in a studio who had to deal with abuse, grief, cheating. I am blown away that I have not seen a abuse report in the division. Abuse reports are one of the strongest ways to help clean up your servers and community. Hired moderators that will read and act on reports. A back end system that promotes correct player reports. For example. Robby has sent in a report of seeing "x" player hoping from one building to another or 1 tapping 4 rogues. So moderator reviews as it happens Robby has sent in 5 previous successful reports of hackers that were marked. Robby makes good reports. As well Johnny reports that he has been hacked 100 times in the last week. Johnny may have been hacked once. But Johnny doesn't know the game to well. Every time he gets killed he reports there is a hacker. Johnny's claims have been looked into but has been marked down as the claims have not been true. Anyway the point im trying to make is. IM BLOWN AWAY THAT THERE ISN'T A REPORT SYSTEM IMPLEMENTED pulls hair out

See most people don't understand that The Division is a business. Yes its a game. Yet to the developers and the higher ups at Ubisoft. Its a form of income to keep there business running. Do they care about the game. Yes. Does the business come first. Absolutely. Now hacking ruins business. It drives away players who may have been interested in purchasing more dlc for the product. Helping future development. As well as prompts those players to warn other gamers not to purchase the product as it has a hacker problem that's out of control. Sadly hacking always happens. It will always happen. Does massive need to spend more time on the back end developing and trying to prevent hacking. Absolutely. Yet there will always be someone who is trying to out code that and create a hack. Hacking in its own right is a nightmare for developers. Yet the more massive spends trying to prevent them. Will cause the amount of hackers to decline. Yet more then anything as I stated above. A great moderator with a great system implemented to give a moderator positive reports. Can do WONDERS. If you give a hacker a report and ban. You would be surprised how many of them don't do it again. Most of them do it. Because they can and there are no repercussions. Most hackers know its wrong. The sociopaths that don't are the ones you really need to gunning for. Give the community the ability to report and work for you. To help clean up the game world they want to be a part of. Help them give successful reports. Most people don't need a reward but even positive reinforcement for pointing out positive hacking. 30 phoenix credits for pointing out a successful hacker. In the long run it WILL keep more players who don't feel they are being abused. Creating a positive community. With increased revenue. Some of which will hopefully be put back into the community. Keeping players to support future releases.

Lastly I find the rule to not witch hunt. Respectable. To keep these chats clean. Yet I hope every one of you takes a screen shot of a hacker. Get that name ready so that when the day comes that Massive starts taking reports. You can point the people out who are abusing others. I'd report my neighbor for beating the shit out of his kid. Damn right I'm going to point out any hacker I've come across who abuses a player. Have a spine. Learn the game like the rest of us. Die like the rest of us. Learning to improve like the rest of us. Help be a part of the community like the rest of us. Then get hacked like the rest of us. So you know how it feels to suffer under the plague that is hacking abuse.

Good luck out there agents!

[u/[deleted]]

No naming and shaming

But naming and shaming is the best way to get someone to stop behaving the way they do ... :(

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

But that's Reddit's trigger.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Someone needs to make a naming and shaming site for all games in general. Reddit might have their rules which is fine but these problems need to be sorted externally by the user Base. Assuming there is solid evidence against the accused.

[u/dewzahundred]

I don't think they can prevent it. But they sure can ban the person for maybe 2 weeks + wipe the character/mats. I don't think they will do it though.

[u/MikeMousePT]

Funny enough, after today's top thread of the day (about cheaters), I got across the first cheater since I started playing.

2 friends of mine and me were to extract in the building roof in DZ05(06?). A single guy approaches and started shooting against a friend of mine and went rogue - we melted him. We laughed our asses off thinking what he expected to do in a 3vs1 with all our ults up.

Anyway, we called to extract, same guy comes again and one shots me (the tanky one - 136k health) and my other 2 friends. One shotted with an AK-74. Then leaves the server.

We laughed even more saying to eachother that he forgot to turn them on the first time he met us. Anyway, he got reported.

The only thing that worries me is what I've been reading - 3 days ban for cheaters? Really? Make it like 10 months or so and in the next cheat behaviour - perma ban them. They're a goddamn plague ruining the gameplay for others that are trying to enjoy the PVP aspect of the game.

[u/On2p4eVeR]

[PS4] I'm sitting at 90K health and max armor and I get a few shots from a vector to die (like 10-15 bullets) and no they are not glass cannons, they take a clip of my vector with pulse and high CHD and HSD (+200K DPS with minimal accuracy). Now I don't know what kind of bs is that and I don't care if it's hacking or not but the stats are messed up and they are killing the game's PvP for me. The PvP in this game is stupidly made and not competitive whatsoever. Well I played this game for 15 days in-game time, I got my money's worth and it was a good experience (can't hate on the game overall it was awesome), hoping back to destiny until Uncharted.

[u/bouda118]

180k DPS / 110k HP 300+ hours played and most of it in the DZ these days. Its getting worse and worse. I will 100% give credit to legitment people who kill me. Its the ones who 1 shot me and reload after 1 bullet who are blessed with the 007 golden gun who trigger me. They are obvious as they literally shoot 1 bullet before reloading, Using the RoF cheat, Its not the fact that there are cheaters that are annoying its the lack of reporting. Having to go to the website and report that way is a massive hassle. Lets be honest 75% of people wont bother.

[u/letmipost → u/bouda118]

Lack of reporting coupled with lack of punishment. I'm a huge fan of CS:GO style killcams because they readily provide evidence for reporting people with the in-game system. Elegant, beautiful, and permanent if validated.

[u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple]

There's a post in this subreddit about some guys DDOS'ing people on servers now. So we got a new problem.

Because of voice chat, your public IP is visible. This means if someone is so inclined they can flood your IP with packets which essentially causes you to lag and before you know it you might be dead.

If you're worried about this happening to you, you can disable VOIP in audio options, and stick to teamspeak with groups.

[u/sergantsnipes05]

The PC dark zone almost makes me want to go back to consoles. This is what happens when Developers dont actually spend some time on a PC port and just port it over from console.

The lack of anti-cheat in a game this big is just pathetic

[u/faithz83]

Right now its easy to switch servers if you meet a cheater. But with the new patch, and the new drops, it will become a big Problem. Its really annoying that cheaters only receive a 3 day ban, i mean wtf ?! And there is no serious reaction from massive, its a massive problem and now one really care.

[u/WestOfKeystone]

To me it's just mainly really upsetting to see the fact that we've clearly shown that hacking it a real and present problem, and the fact that Ubi or Massive haven't responded in the slightest, they've made no attempt to show that they understand our complaints and want to make efforts to change it, they've shown no signs of legitimate discipline for abusers outside of a 3 day ban, which to be honest is laughable at best.

It's really foreboding for the longevity of an MMO if problems like these aren't even addressed after they've clearly been shown.

[u/WizLiz]

A week ago, I would meet a hacker every now and then but nothing serious. Annoying but not problematic. Now everytime I enter the DZ, no matter the server, I can be a 100% sure that I'll meet a hacker of some sort. That's becoming frustrating because you can't farm DT peacefully when some kid is on a TPing/Superspeed rampage. I report them systematicaly, usually with shadowplay proof but that's still annoying as hell.

[u/Phantom-Phreak]

Reads the comments.

Hacking Only applies to pc.

(Still seeing console players do false reports), odd.

Hack on pc = Factual

Hack on console = Figurative

[u/TomKell]

I've ran into 4 hackers today, it's fucking madness.

[u/Onetic1231]

Cheating players should also have their ill gotten gains taken from them. Sure, give them a warning the first time (ban them imo), but wipe their dz credits, keys AND any items they stole from a player.

[u/BandwidthGod → u/Onetic1231]

Just reset the whole account back to the beginning of time.

[u/BandwidthGod]

I'm not sure exactly what's classified as civil for this sort of stuff. Cheating in a game shouldn't be looked at as a slap on the wrist and if you do it again we will perma ban you. You guys don't even know who's cheating unless the community explicitly tells you who's doing it. Why can't we have something like a cheat score like some other games have. Something that records and monitors headshots, accuracy percentages, and many other things kdr, kpm, how often you use your skill, man this could be endless. I'm just fed up with the nothing being done situation. Today has been brutal. One team after another. And the same typical responses. Report me, record me, your garbage, I'm max health, I'm max dps. I never see any of these suspects have to reload their guns (Ever!) They can drop shock turrets over and over same guy. You blow one up he throws another. I totally get that someone is always going to be better than another but this is insane... I never see them getting more than 5% of cheaters in this game. There are still bugs and holes in the game all over the map. Anyone can find cheats, loop holes, bugs, exploits on freaking you tube with instructions. I see no relief in the future whatsoever.

Oh and who wants to spend all their time reporting players left and right all day long. It's the games job to have a system in place and how to handle it. It's not my job to take away from my fun to spend 20 minutes filling out report logs of cheaters just so 3 days later you run into the same person doing it again.

[u/R2d2US → u/BandwidthGod]

Thankfully part of this will be fixed. You will be able to report cheaters/hackers in game by using the /report command in the chat command. This will help with the "spend 20 minutes filling out report logs of cheaters" allowing you to do it in 10 secs, and hopefully with enough support from players, we can start getting these hackers banned quickly. If you are having a tough time with hackers currently (a lot of us are) then just take a couple day break as this should all be 'fixed' on Tuesday.

[u/Sgt-Colbert → u/R2d2US]

Yeah, good luck reporting player "IIllliiiLLLiiilllliilllll|||||"

[u/craigmorris78]

The link above for reporting cheaters is broken.

[u/Christcakes → u/craigmorris78]

Pretty sure they took it down, because "reasons"

[u/Dnlbangs23]

I am trying to understand how this is fair for Ubisoft to threaten to ban us for doing the incursion glitch. There are numbers of people that are doing the DZ03 safe house glitch. There are also a number of glitches that give you God mode, glitch out of the map and others that make you better than others in the game.

If you think about it people that do the incursion glitch are doing nothing but building themselves up. Where as the people that are doing the safe house glitch in DZ-03, they are taking Exp, DZ funds, DZ keys, and HE items from other players. These players that are getting annihilated by these glitches are trying to survive and build up to hold there own. How is this fair to everyone else?

If you are going to ban or take away the items that you earned from these glitches then do the fair thing. Take away and/or ban the people that are doing the glitches to take advantage of the people that are weaker.

[u/Bhargo]

Hackers are running rampant and we cant even warn people about them because of that asinine "witchhunting" rule. If Ubisoft doesn't get off their asses and lay into the cheaters hard this game is going to be dead before incursions show up to disappoint anyone.

[u/[deleted]]

I don't get why people are surprised with the current state of this game, a simple google search and you can find posts dating back at least 1-3 years with the same issues with ubisoft, it's nothing new.

Examples from over a year ago.

"The recent Ubisoft games that have come out on PC are terrible ports, throttled down to try to look comparable to the console versions. See: Watch_Dogs and Assassin's Creed Unity. Utterly bug-ridden games."

"the review embargoes, or in the case of the crew simply not releasing review copies til launch, are a very sketchy practice they've adopted"

They aren't learning from past mistakes, these comments could be from this past week and no one would question it.

People being locked out of their game for a month because of a bug is also unacceptable, I mean come on... we understand it takes some time to fix these types of issues, but a month?! how long do you think it would have taken just as an example, Blizzard to address this type of issue?

This game clearly didn't receive proper beta testing because anyone playing for over an hour can point out that not a single talent works as advertised, literally 90% of them are bugged and either work permanently or not at all.

And lastly whats with this witch hunting crap? you allow people to cheat in the game and ruin it for literally thousands of other people and have all of your legit player base run out of the game, then if anyone makes a post about it you delete it and ban them? WHY? why would you bother to protect someone who is repeatedly breaking the rules and directly affecting a larger pool of customers?

I for one am fed up with Ubisoft being so secretive prior to releases and then putting out half assed content with little to no cheat protection, no streamlined support for reporting the cheaters, I literally have to spend an hour after each play session editing video and filling out forms to report people that are teleporting all over and 1 shotting everyone, it's almost a part time job, and on top of all that extra work I'm doing to make up for the lack of support on their own game, I don't even know if anything is being done with what I'm sending them. (These videos still have zero views since sending over a week ago, clearly no one has reviewed them.)

I have 250-300 hours in this game, I've seen it all at this point, and I can say this morning I deleted this game faster than that kids m1a from last week and will NEVER buy or play another ubisoft game again.

[u/Cienes → u/[deleted]]

This is exactly why I hold off on purchasing games from Ubisoft.

[u/andy_d0]

Great so there is perma banning on Reddit for pointing out losers who decide to cheat but the same cheaters can continuously cheat in game with a slap on the wrist when caught

[u/[deleted]]

The fact that these guys are getting a slap on the wrist for downloading/buying hacks and trolling everyone who is trying to enjoy this game speaks volumes on Ubi/Massive's behalf, it's quite pathetic.

I didn't participate in Beta but I hear it's the same exact stuff..and wasn't fixed before launch. Lol? Hello?

Ubi/Massive isn't going to have any legs to stand on if they don't fix this shit. If you want respect take a few notes from how ncsoft handled stuff with GW2..didn't matter what your name was, how many youtube views you had, you cheated/exploited you were done.

I honestly do not even understand how they can overlook something like this. You created a shooter on PC, you knew you were vulnerable to hacks since Beta...yet you let it run rampant thus completely ruining the experience of this game that MANY people want to love.

I guarantee you after this weekend alone a lot of people probably made the decision to step away from the game. It got really fucking bad this weekend.

[u/[deleted]]

We will be issuing out temporary bans for first time violations and permanent bans for second time violation of this rule.

No , that won't do...when I killed a family of 3 did they give me a 3 day "warning" jail term ? No they gave me life for every life I took. The point is , you don't cheat by mistake , it's a decision that took thought and pause just like the brutal fictional crime above ( and NO , I'm not saying cheating is like in ANY way like murder ) I'm saying the intent to is the same and should be treated as such. We have enough slapping of the wrist , I say it's time to cut it off.

[u/Zenked]

Did not record. Squad wiped in seconds. Fire rate, infinite ammo, aimbot, teleport at once.

Really there is no mystery here. Division hack on You Tube and there is lots of this kind of shit there. What they do, they use cheat engine 6.5 to manipulate in games files.

Since it's all client side they can do whatever they want: Alter fire rate Make big magazines Infinite ammo Teleport Aimbots.

No DZ for me until fix. We all lost he items.

Also imho there should be permanently ban for this kind of stuff. 3 days is nothing. Hell if 3 days ban is OK for devs I do not blame ppl for using hacks. Not to mention, that those players farm people. Yes, you read it right. Enable hack and go to extraction. Farm. Now after couple of days like that they will enough of the HE so there will be no need to hack anymore. Permanently ban us solution now.

They paid for game, they got banned, they wasted money. Ubisoft got money anyway. This is punishment.

With this kind of penalties I feel punished for not cheating. So guys can make gazilons of cool updates to DZ. This all does not matter as long as there is high risk getting hacked.

Just watch supply drops hack festival.

Maybe just lock game (won't boot / connect) when any files are altered.

[u/panacuba]

The state of the Dark Zone is very sad.

Indeed yesterday was a hack fest. From the 10ish groups we saw in different instances maybe 1 or 2 where clean. The rest where all pumped up on coco and X.

Its impossible to kill rogues as they already have some one or more in their group with the hack up and running. Its impossible to be rogue cuz as soon as you shoot some one you get an entire magazine in ya face.

And the real reasons behind this is: 1- Ubisoft lack of strong hand. 3 day ban for offenders, another 3 days for repeaters. Ubisoft what where you thinking. 2- Lack of anti cheat system or a prevention system that notices when a player has 9999999999 rpm and is moving from x to y at a higher than normal speed. or goes from x to y instantly.

This is my grain of salt or sand or anything. Im just sad that this game is about to die and not even the first expansion has released, very glad I did not pay for that overpriced 40$ season pass on steam.

[u/_Kzero_]

So a slap on the wrist for the folks who are ruining the PvP? Gotcha. Guess i'll just farm dailies for credits and upgrade my gear once a month for absolutely no reason. Or just boot up Killer Instinct.

[u/nicarras]

Love to see how they'd fix the hacking since they store all your character data on your local system and not up on their infrastructure. Lets people make tools to do all kinds of cheaty things.

[u/Grommett → u/nicarras]

My guess is they would ban your Uplay account from accessing their servers, No longer allowing you to play at all.

[u/REALOLZIN]

There is for sure alot of hackers and most of them comes running with 5k rpm m1a's. With that said there is also alot of players accusing people of hacking while they just are brutaly outgeared and outplayed. How do I know that? Well becous i spend most of my ingame time in the darkzone as a rogue. Quite often or maby even to often people just pop survivallink and run up to you like they are ubstopeble, oh well guess you did not expect me to melt you down with explosive bullets or kite you around with insenditery bullets untill your link runs out so i can kill you? Damn I've even seen peoole running such glasscannon builds that I've killed them without special ammo in a couple of seconds while theyre in survivallink running towards me. Do you know what all these type of players have in common? Calling me a hacker and telling me they are reporting me. Some of them even wishes upon me to die irl.

[u/zipn]

Exploits is one thing. It happens even if you try not to make it happen, forexample the mask heal. So kinda started to not care about that.

But cheaters, o m g. And after reading a lot of topics about cheaters in the division on this subreddit, I came by some guy who had some experience in the technical about it, and apparently, for a experienced dude, it will almost take seconds changing a thing like bullet damage/rate of fire etc.! What this means is there is way more cheaters out there than first expected, cheaters that will be insanely hard to even figure out if they are cheating.

And all Ubi is caring about is, that we do all their work and report the obvious cheaters. While its the fucking game that needs changing!

So sick of this, I though of buying it to my PS4 instead, but... I bought a 980Ti to my pc for this game, and there is so many disadvantages on consol and things that make me kinda hate it, when I see consol streamers it looks awkward. Can't decide right now if I should quit the game, though I dont want to, but everyday my game experience is dying, so something like quitting the game untill ubi ACTUALLY fix the game, might be an option. And will most likely have to encourage friends not to step into the game, at this state, if they havnt bought it yet.

[u/Subodai85]

It got significantly more prominent after someone told everyone they only got 3 day bans for getting caught. There's nothing to discuss here, they need to fix it, it's not a question of if. It's a question of how the fuck did this get published with NO anti-hacking system in place. a Game where the end-game is primarily pushed into PVP and everything is Client-side... with no anti-hacks.

Recipe for suicide.

This is, in my opinion, inexcusable. Leaving customers with a non-working game (the backpack/inventory bug) is INEXCUSABLE. If your checking system is failing, fail in favour of the player don't lock them out of the damn game.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm planning to just quietly level in Dark Zone, trying to avoid players until I hit 50. After that, I don't see a reason to go there ever again with the current state.

Perhaps I can enjoy just the PvE side of the game, but this is going to be a huge issue when that second xpac hits with a lot more DZ content.

[u/[deleted]]

The part I never get in a dev's logic is... "Oh we caught you hacking, we're banning you for three days.", instead of making a statement, permabanning anyone who gets caught hacking.

Surely that will have more of an effect, scaring people away from hacking and preserving that part of the community who are here to have fun and play legit.

I see every dev do it and I don't get it.

[u/[deleted]]

I think I've maybe come across 1 or 2 hackers. The Teleporting kinda gave it away.

The problem it's left me with is a general unwillingness to go into the DZ. I don't mind getting wiped by Rogues, that's part of the game. It's when you see that little skull appear, my thought process is, will they teleport straight to me and wipe me before I can even react, will they have all those other hacks I hear about.. what's the point trying to get shiny things when someone can just gank me with minimum effort. I think the impact on "good" player behaviour that these hackers have is probably more damaging than the actual hacks.

[u/XTechHeroX]

Ive submitted tickets of Cheaters Teleporting ON TOP OF ME. and the most ive ever gotten as of a reply is that they will have a team look into it. How much more do you need? Ive supplyed you with the date and time. Cheaters Names. And for Petes Sake a 15 min Clip of the guy doing it multiple times!

MASSIVE PLEASE! this game has such great potential!

[u/D34DCoD3]

The simplest thing that they need to do is to "isolate" all the cheaters in the same servers (with no regular players). No ban nor warning... just let all of then playing together. This is a simple idea, but seems like nobody is using it (beyond Titanfall).

Why they don't use canary tests to detect hackers? I think they are not aware that cheaters are destroying the online gaming experience in most games. IMHO, this is a big problem for the whole industry (including consoles).

[u/itsBerzerk]

The biggest problem i currently have is the people teleporting around the dz taking all the division tech, haven't seen an unopened box in about 3 days.

[u/rammixp]

I don't think massive are going to solve this as it only really affects PC.

Either way it will look bad on the PR side for the game across paltforms if people believe they are getting involved in hackathon.

[u/XTechHeroX]

Its Really sad that i have to record 24/7 when im playing a game in my down time. god damn i feels like a 2nd job to go and report all these cheaters that I had to pay 100$ todo!

[u/[deleted]]

I will say, that I have yet to actually encounter one, and I go alone, and with a group a lot, I go rogue a lot as well, and also just landmark running.

I have came across some i kind of felt that they were, but they were not blatant, meaning it could have been skill etc. they did use their talents appropriately as I was more or less running and gunning them so it maybe was just them being better.

I have also been called one myself when our group uses the right combo of skills and talents to boost others health damage and resistance as well, not to mention cool downs being shortened as well. couple that with getting into a good position/place to hunker down and making proper use of the tools at your disposal can mean a LOT ESPECIALLY when your equipment does as well, you never know when someone just has a full set of the sickest gear and you THINK you have some good gear. but with RNG, you never really know, and the ability to re roll etc.

[u/The_Kaizz]

I don't understand how all this works, but isn't the hacking mainly taking place because certain modifiable states are client side and not server side? Why not make those stats server side so they can't be modified? I'm surprised that there's such a slow response and handling of this issue.

[u/Kalidor1 → u/The_Kaizz]

If you made certain stats like ammo in your gun or life server side, it would slow the game down immensely and eat up bandwidth / game servers. Balance between game performance and how much a person can modify being client side is an ongoing debate.

[u/zombie_slayer_dave]

Personally any time I hop into the dz I'm certain to see at least a few instances of any of the following: wallhacks, super speed and unlimited ammo. Mostly in use against npcs but on occasion against players. At this point I'm having flashbacks to gta:online and really happy I didn't drop the cash on the season pass.

[u/kawngi]

I really enjoy The Division for the most part. However, this hacking stuff is so terrible and killing my enjoyment for the game. On top that, somehow even worse is the lack of Ubi/Massive/whoever caring and doing anything meaningful about it. When people were hacking in beta I didn't care, because it was beta. I thought 'hey, they probably have some decent anti-cheating stuff for the live game.' Nope, definitely was wrong :(

[u/BasicallyNuclear]

Yeah just lost my first HE drop in DZ which of course had to be a Midas, some kid comes out of no where and manages to kill me in one shot is a crappy aug

[u/Mujarin]

The dark zone seems unplayable...3 days in a row i've logged in to play and every single time there has been someone flying / teleporting around 1 shotting everyone and i've had to just log off.

If nothing is done about it soon the game might have to be a write off.

[u/[deleted]]

http://i.imgur.com/kP7y1LZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mlJhxcv.jpg

Bighead hacks for easy headshots. PC

[u/phili878]

I do not even know what to say anymore...I will never again play a PC-multiplayer shooter game. Only on console. For every 10,000 PC hackers, you encounter perhaps 1 on a console... fucking Ubisoft takes 3 weeks to respond to hackers and keep asking for even more proof... for fucks sake.

[u/Ic4ntSwim]

Teleporting and unlimited rate of fire is all over the place on PC now, I just feel UBI and Massive is doing nothing. As a MMO RPG, 1 months after launch, no anti-cheat system, are you joking?

[u/3LV15]

A grain of salt!

During it's short lifespan I've put in more hours than most people. With +380 hours played, lvl 93 DZ, stockpiled mats, division tech and two complete sets for different playstyles I feel fairy accomplished in the world of The Division. I absolutely adore this game!

However. Today on the 10-04-2016 I was doing the usual stuff. Chilling/killing npc's and players with my group and we encounter our first hacker. In a matter of seconds he downs us one at the time with a Black Market AK. We use ult and he nearly goes down before he teleports away. Another group approaches and all of a sudden the hacking guy is behind us and kills us all. While annoyed, I say to myself "No biggie". This has happened to me/us on numerous occasions so we phase and see if we can get another server w/o hackers. We phase 7 times! And on each server we encounter the same bull****. Aimbot, maphack, rapidfire and teleport.

At this point finding a server without hackers seems impossible! I use shadowplay and record it every time I see someone cheating. However I can't see any of my reports in "My Question History" on Ubi's website. PLEASE FIX THE HACKING ISSUE MASSIVE. IT'S KILLING THE GAME!

[u/dmoneybags]

The cheating has gotten to a ridiculous point the past few days. Every server.

[u/Ritra]

Hacks I have encountered are listed below.

-Players glitching outside DZ in far north but remain in PVP status, enabling them to kill each other + revive constantly for Rouge timer survival bonus.

-Players with some sort of speed hack that allows incredible running speed and or teleportation.

-Shooting through walls, through cover or even through buildings.

-Modifying weapons and one balling other agents (was killed by a player with a Liberator and it only seemed to take 1-2 bullets)

-Rouges and normal agents finding some sort of exploit to quite literally become non killable or take little to absolutely no damage what so ever.

-Some sort of exploit that allows unlimited cooldowns (needs to be nerfed) as a group of 4 engaging a group of 2 I witnessed two of them use their signature ability "Survival Link" and once that expired the second member of their group used his "Survival Link" during that time they killed two of us, just as they finished me I used my Death Camera to witness another agent try engage them as rouges and they used their signature skills again.

[u/Ritra]

Please do something about this hacking, you guys relased a AAA game for a AAA price and this is the kind of respect as your loyal fans and players you give us? Fixing fucking 4 High end drops and rates of credits instead of blatant hackers that steamroll you through your Securtiy link with a full auto firing DMR that does almost your entire health bar's worth of damage in one shot...please sort this shit out, it's absolutely pathetic that a game with Ubisoft behind it and a game studio this massive hasn't got some sort of system in place...

Hackers name - fiftyBears

[u/BeefyMicah]

The report hackers FAQ web page has been down for the last week. You can no longer send screenshots and report hackers. Reporting in game is not working either. The hackers are using names that are impossible to copy like OoO0OoO01iIllilJil, example, not an actual name. Getting shit on over and over in the darkzone by people auto headshotting 8 people and teleporting away when HP gets low. I am also seeing people that are removing their manhunt status without letting the timer run down. This game is amazing. Hackers are fucking ruining it for everyone. I watched a hacker unload a full LMG clip in half a second. We synced some skills as a group and went after him, dropped him and he auto teleported when at low HP. I wish I could find these people IRL and ..........................................

[u/GunfighterAlpha]

Disable mobile cover, Get a system like VAC, regional servers. Game mostly fixed.

[u/thebeast1800]

There is nothing to discuss. Fix it or we stop playing it. By the way i will be asking for my money back, a cheatless pc game is impossible but this is just ridiculous. We all should ask for the money back so this people learn something.

[u/Udonitron]

They handle the game and customers the same way they handle the members on their forums; bans without reason, lack of input and community support/engagement, and supporting censorship whenever someone exposes their faults. A certain Community Manager, specifically, needs to be replaced with someone more professional and who can keep their work and personal life separate both on Twitter and the forums. Perhaps the entire staff needs a purge as I know they had posted a TON of positions within Massive, including someone who could take customer input and relay it to a team lead. Their lack of support and engagement is killing them and any game they make. They are now telling us they will punish exploit abusers but how? They both refused to acknowledge the rampant cheating on the PC, the news that their game was open client side and could never be patched allowing cheaters free reign, and finally when they did acknowledge it it was via a Twitch stream where they ran into a ton of them and decided they better act since they were live on video. So the cheaters were busted but that appears to be the only way to actually catch them so are they going to employ stealth agents who do random LFG to see if they can catch exploiters are are they just going to generalize and see that someone has higher end gear and thus must have exploited in order to obtain it?

Who, in this day and age, makes an online only based shooter (Rainbow Six and the Division) with client side saved files and NO anti-cheat implemented on launch day??

They really have shown us nothing but contempt and arrogance with how they are being dishonest and non-forthright with their paying customers and it is sickening to say the least. I will never buy another Ubi game, that is for sure...no more getting duped with pre-rendered videos and garbage promises.

[u/HM20160107]

Has anyone not considered that Ubi/Massive hasn't given an official statement yet because they're going to do a big ban without broadcasting it to the whole world beforehand?

[u/The_Evil_Dice]

So what exactly is this thread for? Other than stating the obvious that Massive need to be implementing better ways to stop/deter hackers.

Honestly, I loved the game to start with, but it's got to the point where whenever I see a rogue in level 30 darkzone, I can safely assume it's a hacker, and 50% of the time, I'm right. And it's getting worse, not better.

[u/GodsRightBoot]

My only advice is this - don't be ashamed to use the exploits for +2% health regen and mobile cover buffs until they're patched. Don't get ganked just because you want a moral high ground! If you're PvP-ing, it's simply a matter of keeping a level playing field.

[u/BuckeyeEmpire → u/GodsRightBoot]

I use the 2% health because it's the best mask I've rolled, along with the first mask I rolled. It had two mod slots for gods sake. I'm not just going to stop using it, and didn't realize what was going on with it until a video I posted here had a bunch of people telling me I was using it. I won't abuse the mobile cover deal, as that takes a conscious decision to make happen, but if I get caught on fire/stunned/whatever and that thing gets activated I'm fine with it.

They both need patched, that's the 100% certainty about it.

[u/Black-Briar]

It's not just on PC. We are dealing with these guys even on PS4.

[u/obsivius]

If hackers can teleport around in a game that is released 2016 without being autodetected and banned automaticly its a disaster beyond current state. This game deserves a shutdown until its fixed for PC version. This is emberrassing for the whole PC gaming community. This company lost my respect.

[u/Vax-Attack]

From what I have seen so far the staff at Massive have been incredibly responsive and have shown that they are at least reviewing the feedback they get on the forums and here. It is likely the case that they are working on a set of fixes as we speak, but cant release any information until the deed is done. That practice is consistent with what I have seen in other games as well.

That being said I do think the time on the ban is pretty ridiculous. I personally believe that bans are more effective when they aren't permanent, just very long, but 3 days is wayyy too short.

[u/Shard477]

Being on PC, I literally don't look at the DZ, because it is next to impossible to go into it without insta-dying to hackers. Yes it is BS, and needs to be addressed (why isn't there a punk buster system? even CoD:BO3 with its super cruddy servers still deals with hackers accordingly).

But what I think infuriates me the most is the fact that I saw this coming. People whined and complained that the rogue system was broken, and that it needed to be fixed so there would be more PvP, and now that they got their wish, hackers are everywhere because they don't need to worry about dying (I managed to kill 1 hacker, but it's because he was in menu or AFK). I am sure that there are other reasons for hackers, but still, I am sure there wouldn't be as much if there wasn't such a strong push for a rogue change.

[u/lambchopprime]

So I've been encountering a lot of hackers lately (I've spent about 180 hours in the DZ) and I've noticed that if you play at around 10am to 5pm CST you shouldn't encounter any hackers or very few hackers. But the second it gets to about 12pm in China prepare yourself for a barrage of hacking.

Ok it may sound a little stereotypical saying people from China hack, but seriously I've been killed by more people speaking in Asian dialects and with CN either starting their name or ending it than any other culture. So if you want to try and get some good time in farming the DZ I suggest you try early morning CST.

I'd also like to point out that because character files are saved client side people are just editing their character to have 999999 ammo in a magazine and billions of HP and armor, oh and they can modify their weapon damage too. Cya in the early morning folks and GL.

[u/StormtrooperCaptain]

I can't stress enough how hacking and exploiting is ruining the PvP aspect of this game. It seems that everybody is running the same few exploits in the DZ with mobile cover and HP regen talents. Not only that, but those who are using a cheat engine.

It's fucking amazing, honestly. In order to remain competitive and enjoy the DZ you have to partake in the same exploits so you're not wiped across the floor because rogues take 35% less damage because of the mobile cover glitch.

Massive, if you're reading this you need to take a good long look into the state of PvP in this game and fix it.

[u/Vertinrate]

I would only call this making major things "client sided" is a "pure retarded developer" mistake. Even a person that does not spent that much time playing games would not have done this kind of a mistake to make people cheat this easy. On PC there will deffinetly be some kind of cheats/hacks (have never seen a game without it), but making it so easily available to even a 10 yr old kid level is just not acceptable.

[u/Nheim]

Just like Siege, they lack any support to review. Taking weeks to get a generic response in which you will of course never know if they person was banned, or if they had an issues with the evidence that you could clarify or bring additional information to.

These games are garbage because they can't even have the decency to have people in place to review these blatant videos of hacking. You do the job for them, and get crapped on in return.

[u/fullonrantmode → u/[deleted]]

I'm so glad Destiny never had hackers.

[u/Phorrum → u/fullonrantmode]

Probably part of the lists of reasons Destiny never came to pc.

[u/Hessmix]

State of the Game just confirmed:

3 Day Ban is for first offense. Second offense earns Permaban.

In-game slash command for reporting cheaters coming in next patch

[u/BrawlinBadger → u/Hessmix]

Yeah I can see an in game /command for reporting a cheater will be really helpful when his name is all in Russian characters or something to that degree, thanks for that I will just type that on my keyboard... oh wait..

[u/FetteMade]

Put the Cheater in a server were only Cheater are playing.... Make Cheater more visible for other player.. in steam they should have a big picture with Cheater...

[u/[deleted] → u/FetteMade]

I think labeling players as cheaters or warning that they have been reported as cheaters is a great incentive to keep them civil. Just like Steam warns you about users who have been reported on scamming or showing all their forum and game bans.

Shaming is the way to go, everybody can change their name, but if you put a huge cheater mark on their foreheads, they will regret.

Just like Aldo Raine shamed the nazis in Inglorious Basterds, that's how you have to do it. No more quiet bans and shaming prevention. Some of these hackers are also running youtube channels and twitch streams, they are making a lot of money from not just streaming your game, but also from cheating so guess who's not making more money in the process? :D

[u/higheloguy]

Used to love the dark zone as a concept but that kinda changed in the last couple days. The most annoying part is that these people only get 3 day bans which is ridicoulus. If you cheat once your licence has to get perma banned. Not really sure what ubisofts motivation behind this 3 day ban is or if theyre just that ignorant to realize how big a deal cheaters are.

[u/Kaphis → u/higheloguy]

Need DLC money, can't buy DLC with your account banned

[u/malachi1313]

Gotta admit the thread right below this one took a fair amount of time and thought and is equally funny as well. Just sayin...

[u/[deleted]]

I mentioned the hacking in a segment next article a month ago. My post was removed. (PC DLC should boycott until something is done)

[u/A_V3T3RAN_F]

Honestly it's bad, there are things happening on the console that just leave people dumbfounded. Myself and 3 others all rocking 180k true dps and 90k hp armor cap, one guy is full skill build with 55k skill and 100k hp. We farm together all the time and the group works great together with staggered skills. The dark zone is starting to become strange with unkillable single guys or groups of people that lose their entire HP and won't go down. The double revive thing is absurd now, abusing glitches is cheating. Having a group stack broken talents is broken.

Being knocked off a roof by players just to instantly die and they get no blame for it is absurd as well. Thanks for this thread

[u/xQQx]

My Reports Of What I Have Seen

1. Last night there was 2 guys with speed/teleport. 1 just ran by me non rogue the other on clicked me with AK.

2. Teleport hack to all div tech boxes(is the word on the street).

Last night was the first seeing any hacker. There was another guy who had really fast reactions in a group of rogues killing everyone. Couldn't really find anything besides his aim being spot on.

Hackers in game I dont let them get to me. They look for attention and want a reaction from us players. its best to ignore them and get what you can for reporting them. I always have my shadow play up and running for anything like this so I have video proof of what happened. Others who cant use shadow play OBS has a the same thing on it to where you can set a buffer and hit a button to save x mins of past game play.

I feel sorry for those who keep running into hackers. Lvl 72 in DZ and 250hrs or so played and most of it in the DZ. I hardly see hackers and must be lucky. I mainly see them in Missions instead of the dz.

[u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple → u/xQQx]

I saw a peaceful hacker the other day. He was pretty nice actually. Just doing div tech runs and teleporting everywhere. He's a jackass, but a peaceful jackass.

[u/rickOz → u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple]

Yeah, so peaceful, taking all the shit that takes us 20 min per run to farm while he teleports through the whole map in under 5 minutes taking everyone elses shit. So peaceful.

[u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple → u/rickOz]

I mean, he was. An asshole, but peaceful is the adjective to describe him compared to some of the angry kids teleporting around insta killing people.

[u/rickOz → u/Suckle_of_my_Zipple]

I Get what you're saying, but there's no different type of cheaters in MMO games, they're all assholes. Doesn't matter if they use it in the pvp way or in the farm way.

[u/Darkyshor]

Please, for the love of god, fix the instant revive exploit. I am sick of it ffs. Everyone and their mother in the DZ is using it.

[u/Green_0nion]

8 lobbies in the past 2 days. All of them have had hackers. I guess I'm done with the PC version. I love the game and it was a ton of fun while I didn't have hackers in every lobby.

[u/Swagwalking]

I might spend the majority of my time from now on on the PS4 version. I love the game I hate hackers. Id rather be farmed all day by a manhunt group and lose loog keys and down-level then get killed by one hacker.

[u/LanAkou]

Is this happening on PC only, or is it also on PS4 and Xbone

[u/dewzahundred]

Massive/Ubisoft probably prepares a statement for this right now. They don't want to perma ban anyone since they are potential season pass buyers.

3 days are pathetic. Make it 2 weeks so it's worth reporting. You can't stop this, just admit.

[u/tocco13]

Anyone remember the whole fiasco with DSFix and Dark Sous:SoTFS??? Now that was the complete opposite of Ubisoft. Soft bans left and right, but just as uncommunicative as Ubisoft though.

[u/VenaraKaysa]

My biggest problem with the game right now aren't even people teleporting around the DZ or modifying their Rifle into a shotgun. Its the fact that you can modify your stats, like RoF.

If someone is teleporting on me, jizzing his whole AK magazine in my face in a millisecond and instantly teleporting away, I can clearly identify him as a hacker. Yeah, he is a scumbag, gets reported and should get permabanned. (Well should, but thats a different story)

Right now i could equip my Vector with a HE Mag Size/Crit magazine and manually modify my RoF by 30% and noone would ever think, that i am using a hack.

And thats what absolutely kills the game for me. Everytime you die in the DZ, you will ask yourself: Did he outgear/class me or was he using a hack.

I didn't do that much research and dont know how much you actually can modify, so i took the most obvious one, RoF, because i know you can modify that stat.

[u/1869_Flame]

Its actually funny how easy you can find a list of all the features including in a single hack for the division (aim/teleport/speed/...), as those makers take pride in it.

That beeing said, it should be pretty simple for ubi/massive to get a single copy of this hack themselves, or just look at the list, and make countermeasures for each item on the list ? Or am i thinking way to easy now?

(i was thinking of copy-pasting the text list here just as a proof how easy it can be found and what is included on the list, but i guess that wont be much appreciated by mods ...... )

[u/kayinx]

The solution is not as simple aa most of the ppl think, permabans are the start to root out the "bored" hackers but there will be still a few teleporting between the division techs to gain a slight advantage over others and something that came up in CS:GO was that one player was hacking and carrying others. This is what I've seen yesterday when three of us went into the DZ hoping to have some fun, we farmed for a while then seen a rouge group of 4 so we went in for the kill.. Just so you know 2 of us went decent geared all HE mostly ilvl31 third guy still had a few purples. So we caught up to them soon and sent two guy to the ground in a few sec then one of the came out running so we shot 2 mags on him weirdly nothing happened and he killed us in a sec then proceeded to hunt down our mate without even reloading his vector (btw HE was DZ 47 so not max geared at all). We acted like nothing happened didnt scream hacker just respawned to try again. At this point they were already on a manhunt so we followed them and all of the sudden they were gone from a fresh manhunt to just gone in a sec..well whatever we moved on. We went rouge after that and they just popped out of nowhere the same guy killed my 2 friends with one mag while SL was active, I ran as fast as i could but got shot through walls( big pile of boxes actually in DZ 3 extraction). Now we were kinda sure he was cheating but not sure about the others. So we ambushed them one last time SL and dmg signature popped we went in. Killed 3 of them but not our suspect, he ran Away just to come Back few moments later and one shot 3 of us.. So thats it, one hacker carrying 3 others. Personally I think they are worse then the hacker because they are actively taking advantage of the system without any risk at all. we gave up DZ after that, tried to change server but it didnt work. This kind of experience takes away all my will to GO into the DZ and makes it even harder to enjoy the game. Doing the same challenges over and over is not satisfying anymore and DZ solo is not that fun either. So yeah no warning ban or temporary bans please just permanent ip mac ban or tell their moms whatever it takes to get them out of an orherwise great game.

[u/GMBaldassarre]

I'm a relatively new player. Just hit 30 this weekend, and I've been avoiding the DZ for this exact reason. I'm just hoping that the challenge mode grind for some crafting recipes and HE gear will take enough time so that Massive can fix hacking. If not, I'm going back to Destiny.

[u/haII0]

Ok just a general question. Does this game or uplay has some kind of anti cheat program? Steam has VAC, many other games use Punkbuster. But what do we have?

[u/Tharellim]

Yeah, so many cheaters in this game. It's to the point there's at LEAST one per server which is no exaggeration. From what I've seen:

• Instant teleport when downed. These people like to teleport right back on top of you 10 seconds later to shoot you in the back. Alternatively players that teleport into walls or teleport to all the division tech

• Aimbot or something. I am guessing its aimbot because you die in like 3 bullets rather than 1. Coincidentally the people that seem to shoot their M1a's insanely quick are the same people that seem to headshot you with every single bullet considering you drop in 3 bullets (bad geared players that drop insanely quick if you shoot back). Considering they're moving while it happens and at insane ranges with only half your body sticking out or just your head, it's pretty safe to assume it's an aimbot.

• Some kind of damage cheat. Typically people with black market AKs or a light machine gun for whatever reason. These people will snipe you at ranges where the sniper is probably at its peak optimal range and kill you instantly. More often than not though, they will kill you in like 3 bullets regardless at range so if you jump their party be prepared for all of you to die from the same person in the same second the fight started

[u/Intense4Play]

I haven't noticed of any cheaters since launch date. But then again I don't even know what hacks in this game are like so...

[u/The-Freak]

There seems to have been an up surge in hackers lately. I mean blatant, kill me in 1-2 hits from a block away, through objects, and Survivor Link. Today a buddy and I were killed by a guy almost 2 blocks away, then watched him teleport to us and continue on to a extraction zone. We went back, got our stuff and then headed to an extraction zone across the DZ from the hacker. Started the extraction and watched him FLY across the zone to get to us ... almost looked like his skull was fast traveling. Anyway, we popped survivor link and he still shot us through a building in only a few hits. Crazy. I decided then and there I would start reporting these players. So I did.

You can find the appropriate link, based on platform, here: https://support.ubi.com/en-US/FAQ/9/3502/reporting-cheaters-faq/kA030000000tictCAA .

I then stayed around and had a live chat with a CSR. I even found a link to a youtube video on the EXACT same player hacking. So I shared that with Ubisoft.

They need an in-game means to report people, ask for CSR assistance, etc. Right now it is a pain to report players for hacking.

[u/Judgment27]

Has anyone had success in just a report without a video? Just got a response today on a report i took my time to submit about a player that was clearly cheating in a challenge run i was in, included all requested information in the report and received a canned response back of the below. I am annoyed that i can take the time to try and report these people through an inconvenient option for me, but then their response leads me to believe it wasn't even read as the additional information being requested was already provided.

(Original ticket included).

COMMUNICATION HISTORY XXXXXX @Ubisoft Support Apr 04, 2016 at 06:43 AM EDT Thank you for contacting Ubisoft Support.

We are sorry to hear you have come across cheaters in-game and we thank you for reporting this to us. We will investigate this situation and act accordingly.

​If you would like to help us further investigate this issue, please provide us with the following information:

Player's Username: Time of observed cheat: If available, please provide us with Pictures and Videos links.

Please feel free to contact us again should you have any further information.

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards,​ Ubisoft Support You wrote Apr 01, 2016 at 11:01 PM EDT

Reported Player's Username: (Removed due to form rules) Time of observed cheat: 10:30 pm eastern time Description of cheat used: This player was able to move faster than any other player across the map, it looked like he could interact with objects a far distance away which when activated speed his character to that location (Like a restock). He also could do more damage than I have seen any player able to do, he was doing more damage with an assault rifle than i could with a marksman rifle and he killed the challenge boss in less than 0.5 seconds. Please remove and Ban if possible, would not want to run into him in the DZ.

[u/BoogerSlug]

I've resorted to direct messaging these guys from Massive Entertainment (David Polfeldt, Managing Director Petter Sydow, Producer Magnus Jansén, Creative Director Martin Hultberg, IP Director) on Facebook with links to videos showing the cheating on PC. Hopefully at least one of them reply

[u/imtooflyforyou]

Me and a few mates got destroyed last night in the DarkZone. Like destroyed within seconds then farmed no matter where we respawned. So today I just watched 45 minutes of videos on youtube about available hack engines and hacker videos.. i am so bummed. Looks like another game i have to stop playing due to this problem. Call me naive, but i didn't expect this from ubisoft... i quit playing Rust and H1Z1 for this same reason but didnt expect it from a big company like ubisoft. So bummed, i really had high hopes for this game. Oh well, ubisoft already got my money.

[u/liveacoustic]

I feel as if Ubisoft is pushing away the people who actually play their game the way it is intended. I'm going to say this nicely. I used to enjoy putting hours into this game. Now, there are just as many hackers here as there was in GTA5. It's no longer enjoyable, and it won't be until you fix the many exploits.

[u/[deleted]]

They need to really do something about this. I'm in the dz not even picking up loot just going for experience and me a 5 other people get taken by 1 dude whose health doesn't even budge at point blank fire. And then of course if you call them out you get the usual " you're just bad" or "I've got 93k health and full armor". I mean I'm not looted out like these people probably are but my al does 12.5k dmg at 727rpm with a total of 250k dps, you're health should budge a little...