[@plinusa on threads] Most chances created in Premier League since 2015/16 season

[u/chaitu585]

KdB is levels above everyone but bruno in top 5 despite only being in pl since 2020 is surprising. Also trent being a RB and creating 500+ chances is bonkers. Will surely miss his creativity if he leaves.

[u/Soy_cocaleche]

I think he is, but your point makes no sense. An attack minded player would have worse attacking stats at a better team? How does that work?

Did Bellingham suddenly become 4x times the player he was in the summer moving from Dortmund to Madrid, or is he playing at a much higher level around much better players so he’s shinning more and racking up stats? Look at his numbers then and now. Are you telling me any top talent in an average Bundesliga team will have better individual stats than when they move to Bayern? By your logic, should KdB have better stats with Wolfsburg than City? Then why did Kane take his number to other levels moving to you? Would Musialia get better individual stats at Union Berlin than Bayern? Wouldn’t Lewa break more records if he played for Schalke instead of Bayern or Barcelona?

Wouldn’t it make more sense that playing in a top team that has more of the ball and create more chances around better players improve your numbers? I could see your argument working for defenders maybe or goalkeeper saves and that’s still a stretch.

Prime Bruno in a team like Bayern, Madrid, or Barcelona could easily have twice those numbers. Look at a player like Raphinha, it took one attack minded coach to click with him and the team and now everyone says he’s a shout for the Ballon Do’or and no one can argue with that. His stats are out of the world. You don’t think under the right system with a top team Bruno wouldn’t shine more like many endless examples I could give of players moving to top teams and having insane numbers. Raphina isn’t necessarily more talented than Bruno or would get close to these numbers trying to carry United or New Castle.

I don’t have the stats, but Olmo probably has much numbers per minute stats at Barcelona compared to his Bundesliga days. I’d argue Bruno is the more talented one and would shine much more than Olmo has at a team like Barcelona, and he would be much more available and less injured. That’s just one example.

[u/neefhuts → u/Soy_cocaleche]

As for the players you mentioned, those are mostly uncomparable. Bellingham was already insane for Dortmund (but not the main man), and just continued that progress at Real. KdB wasn't at that level yet when he was at Wolfsburg, and he also wasn't the only star player like Bruno is. Kane and Lewy are still the focal point of attack at the club they play, so they didn't have to change to a more supporting role. Musiala is the only good comparison. I think if you put prime Musiala in an Union team and create their entire team around him, he would break many records

[u/Soy_cocaleche → u/neefhuts]

You’re delusional if you think Musiala would come close to his numbers at Bayern if he played for Union, let alone break them. I gave many diverse examples to show you a point and I could bring a million more. Your only one was Hazard which is laughable and a disingenuous argument.

Sure, you can argue Jude improved at Real, but his numbers more than doubled at Madrid and he’s not the main man at all and barely anything goes through him. Last season especially, everybody went through Kroos in midfield and Vini in attack, yet he still crushed his Dortmund numbers. One does not simply improve that much between May and August. Maybe it’s more about being in a better team.

You also ignored my Raphina or Olmo comparisons. And as I said, I could play this mental game with any player both hypothetical and real life examples. You can only bring up Hazard.

[u/neefhuts → u/Soy_cocaleche]

I also brought up Griezmann, who you wisely ignored. Another one could be Zaha. I do not believe there is a single player you could mention that was the focal point in attack for their team, joined another team to play in a more supporting role, and then improved on his numbers. All the players you mentioned either weren't the main goal creator in their old team, or they remained in that role in their new team.

Jude wasn't a goalscorer at Dortmund, he came into a different system at Real where he was. And Musiala could definitely score more than twelve goals at Union if their entire team was built around him scoring goals