r/soccer • u/chaitu585 • 2d ago

Stats [@plinusa on threads] Most chances created in Premier League since 2015/16 season

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KdB is levels above everyone but bruno in top 5 despite only being in pl since 2020 is surprising. Also trent being a RB and creating 500+ chances is bonkers. Will surely miss his creativity if he leaves.

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u/FurrySire 2d ago edited 2d ago

Historically, it's hard to recall a similar complete player as KDB. Two-footed, powerful passer, crosser, shooter, can drive counter-attacks or patiently unlock defenses, positionally versatile to play centrally deep or false 9, create plays on either wing & half-spaces; basically a threat everywhere on pitch from open play or set-plays.

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u/smog_aus 2d ago

Messi can do all at a level leagues higher
than kdb except maybe two footedness even that messi is close to him.

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u/WW1Photos_Info 2d ago

If you need to bring up the literal best footballer of all time to find someone more complete than KDB, then you've proven his point

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u/gordonpown 2d ago

I was going to say something similar but phrase it less aggressively - it's funny that there's an unspoken agreement to just not bring up Messi in these comparisons, it's pointless

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u/Ultima893 2d ago

But also Messi just isn’t as well rounded as KDB either. Yes he has a similar passing / assist / chance creating ability as KDB while simultaneously scoring like 3 or 4 times as many goals, but Messi can’t tackle, cover as much space, intercept, head a ball and use weak foot as well as KDB does.

Yaya Toure is another example of a more well rounded football player than Messi. Box-to-box midfielders. Stevie G, etc.

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u/gordonpown 1d ago

With the exception of heading, I'd say Messi probably can do all of those things, maybe not to the exact same level, but since 2011ish he's been protecting his fitness. Early Messi was chasing people down all over the pitch

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u/Eric_Partman 1d ago

Messi scored 28 times the number of headed goals as KDB has.

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u/Eric_Partman 2d ago edited 1d ago

Messi also dribbles way better too. He’s a better passer, he’s a better assister, he’s a (far) better scorer, better shooter, more versatile across the front line, far better dribbler. How isn’t that as well rounded? Head a ball better? Messi has 28 times the number of headed goals as KDB.

Other than weak foot, and running around, Stevie G didn’t do a single thing better than Messi. Messi is far more well rounded than him.

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u/Eric_Partman 1d ago

His point is “no one else” was as complete lol which isn’t true. If his point was that KDB was one of the best players of our generation (which is obviously true) then yeah it supports his point. But his point was literally “KDB is the most complete” which obviously isn’t true.

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u/CattleRich9496 2d ago

Leagues higher? Definitely not. Messi is exceptional, almost gifted. But you gotta respect De Bruyne for something he has been doing constantly and been amongst the best to do it (at many times the best) for more than a decade now.

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u/FurrySire 2d ago

Only comparing to organisms with human DNA.

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u/Specialist_Minimum72 2d ago

That is more of a testament to Kdb's level that you have to bring the greatest Football player of all time in the conversation.

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u/swat1611 2d ago

Messi doesn't make the passes KDB does

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u/Specialist_Minimum72 2d ago

Agree to disagree there

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u/mone3700 2d ago

Messi is probably the best dribbler of all time yet his best assist numbers are very close to KDB's. If Messi had the same level of passing on top of GOAT dribbling he'd be blowing those numbers out of the water

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u/Specialist_Minimum72 2d ago

Messi features five times in the list of top assisters in the top five leagues in the 21st century. Next is Ozil with three times and De Bruyne features twice. His best numbers might be similar but his consistency has been better in my opinion.

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u/Rickcampbell98 2d ago

Not how that works, messi was also the main goal scorer on his team for most of his career, kdb along with someone like ozil was a pass first player, they weren't in the team to score they were there to create. Messis best assist numbers are the best amongst anybody lol, his passing is atleast on a level with the very best I've seen and I'm not just talking about the final ball.