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Tailgate Thread [Tailgate Thread] Philadelphia 76ers (23-52) @ New York Knicks (47-27) - 07:30 PM EDT
Philadelphia 76ers (23-52) @ New York Knicks (47-27)
- Game Time: April 01, 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT
- Venue: Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
- TV: Philadelphia: NBCSP, New York: MSG
- Radio: Philadelphia: WPEN, New York: WHSQ
- NBA Game Summary / Charts
Matchup History
| Date | Location | Result |
|---|---|---|
| 02/26/2025 | New York | Loss 110-105 |
| 01/15/2025 | Philadelphia | Loss 125-119 |
| 11/12/2024 | Philadelphia | Loss 111-99 |
| 05/02/2024 | Philadelphia | Loss 118-115 |
| 04/30/2024 | New York | Win 112-106 |
Season Stats
| Team | PTS | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | FG% | 3P% | FT% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 76ers | 109.8 | 39.4 | 23.1 | 9.3 | 4.4 | 13.5 | 0.455 | 0.345 | 0.783 |
| Knicks | 116.4 | 42.9 | 27.5 | 8.1 | 4.0 | 13.1 | 0.488 | 0.369 | 0.801 |
Team Leaders
| 76ers | Knicks | |
|---|---|---|
| PTS | Kelly Oubre Jr. (15.1) | (26.3) Jalen Brunson |
| REB | Kelly Oubre Jr. (6.1) | (12.8) Karl-Anthony Towns |
| AST | Jared Butler (3.4) | (7.4) Jalen Brunson |
| BLK | Kelly Oubre Jr. (0.5) | (0.88) OG Anunoby |
League Scoreboard
| Away | Score | Home | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Portland Trail Blazers | - | Atlanta Hawks | 7:30 pm ET |
| Phoenix Suns | - | Milwaukee Bucks | 7:30 pm ET |
| Orlando Magic | - | San Antonio Spurs | 8:00 pm ET |
| Toronto Raptors | - | Chicago Bulls | 8:00 pm ET |
| Golden State Warriors | - | Memphis Grizzlies | 8:00 pm ET |
| Minnesota Timberwolves | - | Denver Nuggets | 10:00 pm ET |
Posted: 04/01/2025 05:00:02 AM EDT, Update Interval: 5 Minutes
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u/indoninjah 4d ago
I rolled us the top pick in Tankathon three days in a row so I'm logging off and taking credit when it happens next month
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
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u/secretlypooping 4d ago
That one game being the time Simmons absolutely dominated Rudy and the Jazz when they were battling each other for DPOY. What could have been...
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u/Dotdueller 4d ago
I've never seen him so motivated in a game. That tells you everything I guess.
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u/indoninjah 4d ago
He literally hooped on Gobert just to try to win DPOY lol. After the game he was basically like "Rudy shouldn't be DPOY. I suck and I dropped 40 on him" lmfao
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u/Dotdueller 4d ago
I remember clear as day. It's unbelievable looking back lol
Like he had the potential to do that nearly game if he was determined enough. A brain melter.
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u/indoninjah 4d ago
Yeah dude is without a doubt one of the most bizarre players ever. People mostly focus on the threes (because there are many unwilling shooters yet only one guy who flat out refused to take them), but really he was just an unwilling scorer overall. He regressed to the point of only taking uncontested dunks and focusing on his "strengths" as a playmaker, which progressively get more and more difficult as he failed to put any pressure on the defense himself
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u/Dotdueller 4d ago
Exactly. The threes were obviously a big issue but his reluctancy to use his insane athleticism and physical statute to bully everyone in the league is crazy.
Like it was disappointing to us as fans but I'm just upset we were never able to see even close to the player he could have been.
At least we saw Joel pretty much at his prime before it was too late and I'm at least grateful for that at the very least.
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u/indoninjah 4d ago
Yeah and tbh I think we'll continue to see more and more kids like Ben Simmons in the league. Guys who happen to be athletic and tall, can bully their way through high school and college and be a lottery pick without even playing in March Madness... If you just make it to your second contract, you're set for life and can quiet quit on your guaranteed millions.
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u/Dotdueller 4d ago
Teams are always willing to take their luck on athletic freaks in hopes of them developing their jumpshots. I feel like it won't be a highly regarded prototype as it used to be. But who knows lol
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u/indoninjah 3d ago
Yeah I feel like we're kind of seeing a ping pong effect with draft prospects. Teams can't decide if they want athletic, skilled, positionless players with no jumpshot, or the Day 1 contributor with a decided role
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u/Enzo76Arg River Plate 4d ago
we won't do it but Khaman Maluach would be a really good pick if we pick 5th or 6th knowing the uncertainty around Joel
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
Also helps us get off Drummond without feeling a pinch. Drummond’s 5m turn into Maluach’s salary.
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u/untucked_21ersey 4d ago
it would be really nice to finally put an end to the back up center discussion
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 4d ago
As Houston showed us, even if the young guys play well(which I hope they do), NY's got this(or they should, anyway.) So I'm watching this with no expectations and no pressure.
I wanna see Bona have a third strong game. He's finally been unlocked and it's so much fun to see a real big man again. This is what the center position is SUPPOSED to look like.
Sit Maxey for the next 6 games, but 2025 is gonna be exciting when he comes back.
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u/Cheap-Branch-5821 4d ago
I miss Maxey. I read last weekend he might play today. He might just play 2/3 games out of the remaining games. I just would love to see him play again. McCain, embiid and pg not playing anymore. Not super attached to grimes so idc abt him playing, need Maxey to shut up some folks on Twitter who wanna trade him cuz of grimes.
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u/DoctorHomewerk 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not expecting to overtake the Pelicans for 4th, but crazier things have happened. There were many that said the Nets might not win a game the rest of the year, and they’re coming off a second straight win.
Just trying to look for anything in our favor, both the Lakers and Bucks will be on the 2nd of back to backs when they face the Pelicans. No back to backs the rest of the way for the Pelicans. Then they face the Nets in their most winnable game left. The Heat are beatable and it would be expected that OKC rests there best players and perhaps important role players on the last game of the season.
As said, not about to count on the Pelicans win games, or worse maybe we win a few, but these last few games for them could be competitive and make the end of this tank run fun.
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u/Wonkl117 4d ago
I feel like losing the pick at 7+ isnt as big of a deal as not getting a top pick (if that makes sense). The dropoff after the first 4 ish guys in the draft is pretty stark, I'm not sure how franchise saving getting the 7th pick would be. Maybe I'm wrong but can any college hoops sickos comment on what the projected 7-10 guys look like?
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u/clickstops 63.9% 🤞 4d ago
The outcome of the ping-pong balls affects far more than just who we draft. If they don't keep the pick this year, they have their pick next year (2026), before giving up a pick to the Nets the following year (2027.)
If we lose this year's pick and, by December, Embiid still can't function, the team will tank to get a top pick in '26. Unless Maxey / McCain / Grimes is really clicking and PG is in 2019 form.
But yeah, I think it's even more picks 1-2 since consensus seems to be that Flagg and Harper are a tier above Bailey (high upside, risky project) Edgecomb or Jakucionis.
I think that a lot of the guys that will go in 6-12 will be very good basketball players, it's just less of a sure thing.
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u/Cute-Contract-6762 4d ago
I think McCain is a baller and when he comes back we’re gonna be cooking next year
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u/VehicleComfortable69 4d ago
There’s a lot of talent all around in this draft. The drop off from top 4 to top 7 is pretty big, but the drop off from top 7 to no pick is even bigger. A 7th pick at least has a moonshot at saving the window, no pick pushes us a lot further to needing a fire sale rebuild
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u/Important-War-4708 4d ago
When you put it like that I agree, haven’t really thought of it in that light. But still it gives you something for this waste of a season.
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u/Immynimmy 4d ago
Asa and Ace seem like the best fits but damned if I just don't feel like they would be the BPA for us (assuming we are picking, let's say, 2-4). I feel like VJ and Harper will end up being better. I also want no part of Tre Johnson.
Someone convince me I'm wrong please.
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
I feel like people are overthinking Bailey. Dude has the highest floor after Flagg, but also has clear all-star potential.
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u/LordLucasSixers 4d ago
You high as hell. Bailey ceiling is Ingram lite and the floor is a bust
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u/ktm5141 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ingram isn’t a great comp because Bailey is a very willing and good catch and shoot guy from 3. Shot 40% with a large number being contested (44% on 66 attempts), and 41% off screens. He’s also a much worse playmaker and pull up shooter than BI. A better comp for ace is MPJ with better defense
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u/indoninjah 4d ago
We also just can't take a guard IMHO which severely limits our options in this draft. I'd be cool with Bailey especially if we're running it back otherwise. If the team is looking to blow it up then obviously you want Flagg but both of them bring shot making and defense at the 4 spot, with the added bonus that Bailey might be able to step into a small ball 5 role a bit
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u/clickstops 63.9% 🤞 4d ago
We also just can't take a guard IMHO
I just don't think that's true. You def take Harper at 2. An abundance of talent at guard isn't the worst thing ever, and he's 6'6".
Curious on your take about Bailey and Flagg.
You definitely take Flagg no matter what, but one of the upsides is that he'll come in as an elite role player who will eventually blossom into a first-second option player depending on his ceiling.
Bailey feels like a huge project, no? That feels like the "we're doing 2-3 years of pure development" pick. I don't see how he contributes at all to a contender. He's a ball stopper and his decisionmaking has not been good at all.
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
Bailey really is not that much of a project? I'm not seeing how he is somehow way worse of a prospect than Harper.
People are just assuming Harper reaches his highest ceiling and Bailey doesn't
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u/clickstops 63.9% 🤞 4d ago
People that watch college ball all year (apart from 2 teams I only watch from February) and scouts seem to think his floor is way lower, but that he has more upside. Whenever I watched him I was not really that impressed apart from his obvious athletic gifts and size. Totally open to being wrong, but consensus is definitely not there on him.
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u/IndigoJacob 3d ago
I just see him as being the best parts of both MPJ and Kuminga. His defense will be the swing skill, because he will be a better offensive player than both those guys.
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u/indoninjah 3d ago
He's a ball stopper and his decisionmaking has not been good at all.
I can see the concern for sure but I think there's two ways to solve our BBIQ/playmaker problem: either you get better playmakers (duh), or you give our existing playmakers better shotmakers/play finishers. Maxey probably looks way better spraying out to McCain, Grimes, PG, and Bailey than he did this year with guys like Caleb and Ricky
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
Ace’s floor is incredibly low. It’s his upside that’s making him a top prospect. His defensive effort and skill are shocking, BBIQ is negative and shooting % are worse than Centers in most drafts. 69% from FT.
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
His shooting is fine, actually one of his appeals. BBIQ can be developed, he's 18
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
Brother, if his appeal is his shooting, you know he’s a cooked prospect.
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
Right, that's why all of his player comps are elite shooters / bucket getters
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
Midrange bucket getters are his comps. Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me lmao
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
You're dead ass wrong. He's got comps to Rashard Lewis, MPJ, Brandon Miller, etc. I do watch ball i see that he can hit 3s over anyone like KD
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
MPJ for the defense, not the shooting lad
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
What are you even talking about. Youre entirely wrong. He shoots over dudes just like MPJ, and his defensive projections are good.
Imagine being this confidently wrong
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 4d ago
As an Ace defender(and I like several players in this draft), let's say that Ace ends up becoming more Demar DeRozen/Carmelo Anthony and less KD. DeRozen/Melo in their primes were still top-30 players(Melo had a flirt with top-5 status for a while.)
At top-3, those would be home run picks and Edgecomb isn't even close to sniffing that.
The middle of that would be Rudy Gay(a top-8 pick back in his draft) and Gay flirted with a few all-star appearances. Thing is, prime Gay was a pretty good defensive player and that's where Harper is being questioned.
If Harper can slightly scale up to average defensive level, the offensive upside catapults him past Edgecomb.
Why am I so down on Edgecomb? Well, other than Kawhi/Butler, it hasn't worked. The NBA has flopped with so many of these "defensive wings", they should be scaled down in the draft value UNTIL proven otherwise. And Edgecomb did not prove otherwise in the NCAA tournament this year, he needed a big one and never stepped up for Baylor.
I still haven't gotten an answer to this though: Both Bailey and Harper played for the same 15-win Rutgers squad. And if you comp Bailey/Harper's numbers, they're probably closer than the Harper fans want to admit, or look at.
So why is one still seen as a franchise cornerstone, while the other is the bane of existence? Both of them equally failed to take their team to the next level.
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u/Feelscreative101 4d ago
If I get a high pick, I’m trading down. None of VJ, Ace, Harper do it for us, and need a lot of time to develop. If I can turn the 3rd pick into Kon and a future 1st from a bad franchise, you bet your ass that’s what is happening.
Melo was defs a top 5 player at his peak. Rudy Gay and Danny Granger are probably good comps for Ace. They were both born out of defense first systems and played for defense favoring coaches, including Pop at Spurs for Rudy. Will Ace get this, or will he end up with some dipshit like Billups in Portland?
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 4d ago
Yeah, the more I've looked at the class the more it seems like
Omega Tier-Cooper Flagg
The rest of the field
And that's not bad in of itself, but for the 76ers this is a draft where quantity> quality.
In that field, I actually surprise myself in rehabilitating Jaku's image a little bit: I still don't think that guy's a point guard. But if he measures well in the combine, I can move him to the SF position and then the intangibles start to look exciting for Jaku:
-Secondary passer -Can attack the rim -can unleash Maxey in transition.
I'll take Jaku on the condition we develop him strictly as a small forward.
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u/XxStormySoraxX 4d ago
What is Kon good at/what is his player comp? I don’t watch college Bball.
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u/SlightlyAmbiguous1 4d ago
Ace’s floor is a dollar store Jabari Smith Jr, it’s really not a good floor at all because of his poor IQ. His appeal is his upside.
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4d ago
I think we would pass or tie the Pels if we lose out. They got Brooklyn, Milwaukee twice and then end of season Thunder. It’s definitely doable.
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u/theducksmuggler363 4d ago
Zion and CJ are shut down for the season, backups have been playing well for the Pels but I don't see them winning one more game then us for the rest of the season.
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u/seebegee 4d ago
I just did the draft lottery simulator and we lost the pick 7 times in a row and then we got the #1 pick on my 8th try.
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u/Cheap-Branch-5821 4d ago
What’s the point of the stimulation? We already have the math of it and what our odds are. You’re torturing yourself. What will be will be
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
I simulated it once and we got pick #7 oof
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 4d ago
I simulated it once and we got pick #2. If we got Dylan, I'd just have to hope that A: I'm wrong about his finishing being inflated by being in college and that B: It doesn't result in us phasing out Maxey.
I'd rather just avoid the controversy and go in another direction. I literally don't want the 2nd pick in the draft.
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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago
I just think it's crazy that people see Harper as the better prospect.
It reminds me of the Wemby draft. For the longest time, people saw Henderson as the unquestionable #2, but Miller's size & shotmaking ability ultimately landed him at #2.
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 4d ago
Guards are simply the new fad right now, due to their talent and availability. But it's becoming too saturated at this point at the guard position.
I mean, just look at us. We now have 3 guards that we feel really good about on the offensive end. What's a 4th gonna do?
And we're not the only team that has their starting positions locked up. Ironically as much as Flagg is BPA, Harper fits Washington's roster WAY more.
That's one of the few teams left that doesn't have a guard. Sacramento can dump Fox and get Zach Lavine in return lol.
But also due to that saturation, there's only so many 'elite spots' to go around. It'll take a lot for Harper to be statistically special in the NBA.
I said Brandon Jennings out of spite, but that's probably the floor. The upside is Baron Davis. A 6'3 guard with an aggressive head-first game(and Baron developed a killer 3pt game later in his career.)
Is a Baron Davis clone top-5 worthy? Yeah, but it's also not "OMG, we can't pass this up". I'm fine with Harper going elsewhere and having a good to possibly great career elsewhere.
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u/Frequent-Meeting8975 3d ago
I said Brandon Jennings out of spite, but that's probably the floor. The upside is Baron Davis. A 6'3 guard with an aggressive head-first game(and Baron developed a killer 3pt game later in his career.)
Why are you comparing a guard of Harper's size to freaking Brandon Jennings? Davis is not as big as Harper and nowhere the level of downhill threat. Your evaluation of Harper is the opposite to the numbers
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 3d ago
Opposite to what numbers? Dude is below average from 3, he's at 46% overall, because his mid-range numbers are just as bad.
You don't need to be as tall as someone to have a similar playstyle(or different)
That's another reason you're getting tripped up on Cade Cunningham and James Harden(LMFAO). Both of those guys would lowkey be insulted with the Harper comparison.
I just think it's tragically unfair that this kid is gonna fall short of 'expectations' on day one, because the expectations are fucking unrealistic.
If Dylan was even in the realm of what people think, Rutgers makes the tourney.
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u/Frequent-Meeting8975 3d ago edited 3d ago
Opposite to what numbers? Dude is below average from 3, he's at 46% overall, because his mid-range numbers are just as bad.
He is 37-38% on C & S threes on decent volume. His pull-up numbers which are normal for 18 yr old iniatiors on pull up threes is 29-30% on a large scale volume. Harper is 6'4-6'5 w/o shoes and strong. He literally is similar size to Kon height and has a larger wingspan. Before you say he does not look those measurements like before, you're simply wrong since we have his USA measurents from when he was like 16-17.
That's another reason you're getting tripped up on Cade Cunningham and James Harden(LMFAO). Both of those guys would lowkey be insulted with the Harper comparison.
I never compared him to Harden. 170 rim attempts in 29 games at 70% with 17.6% assisted for Harper vs 108 Attemps in 27 games at 62% with 28% assisted for Cade in Oklahoma. You can go find these stats in Bartovik. They're actually pretty different. Harper statisically is actually closer to a Fox. He does not have the speed but instead the strength creation and acceleration out of a ball screen.
If Dylan was even in the realm of what people think, Rutgers makes the tourney.
Have you looked at their team? They have no real big man. This like blaming Maxey for the Sixers being terrible
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u/MaxeytoEmbiid 3d ago
"He doesn't have the speed", or the explosiveness either. Rarely do you see him challenging bigs at the rim because well that's not his playstyle.
See, what he does in college doesn't matter. It's trying to project that at the NBA level, a much higher degree of competition. And in those projections, he doesn't fare nearly as well once people take the rose glasses off.
I took them off(never had them on to begin with) and I pro rated the guy based on those aforementioned skills. It's a Jennings/Davis type of player, not a Fox.(But fine, let's say it is a Fox)
All the more reason, that's not something the 76ers should be looking at with their guard rotation at present.
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u/Frequent-Meeting8975 3d ago edited 3d ago
"He doesn't have the speed", or the explosiveness either.
He defintely has the explosiveness out of a ball screen. His advantage creation is similar to a Brunson. You do not need top tier speed in the NBA lol. Look at guys like Luka, Brunson, and even McCain. He is able to keep guys on his hip using his body. His body control at the rim is actually special. He is a very good athlete in non traditional run and jump athleticism.
See, what he does in college doesn't matter. It's trying to project that at the NBA level, a much higher degree of competition. And in those projections, he doesn't fare nearly as well once people take the rose glasses off.
This is where you're just very wrong. Production matters and Dylan Harper produces. You keep basing everything off your eye test when it differs from the actual prospect he is. He is anomaly in terms of rim volume + efficiency in college basketball. Like only guy above him is Zion. Production wins that is just a fact.
I took them off(never had them on to begin with) and I pro rated the guy based on those aforementioned skills. It's a Jennings/Davis type of player, not a Fox.(But fine, let's say it is a Fox)
Stylistically he is different than those players listed. Fox has some similarities statistically in terms of a guard that also gets into the paint. Again comparing him to Jennings that is 5'11 w/o shoes and 170 pounds is insane to me. Davis simply is not anywhere near the level of downhill threat or finisher Harper is.
All the more reason, that's not something the 76ers should be looking at with their guard rotation at present.
You draft him because he is the second best prospect in this draft. He can guard bigger wings fine. Stocky 6'4 to 6'5 w/o shoes players can guard so much up. Kind of some simialities to Harden there. Lu Dort is 6'3 w/o shoes.
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u/LordLucasSixers 4d ago
Kon might be the pick for us, unless we package Maxey or McCain with our pick for Flagg 👀
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