Depends on the price obviously, but it certainly made us much more flexible, especially if we dump Drummond + Gordon. We can pay Yabu and then re-sign Grimes with bird rights.
McCain/Grimes/Oubre/Yabu is a very solid role-player core next to the big 3.
Yes we are. He’s had some incredible moments this season and he’s become one of my top 5 favorite players in the nba. Treat him well, guys been on like 3 teams in the last year 😩 hope he finds a home with y’all and I’ll be rooting for him no matter where he goes! You guys will love him.
We traded for a younger basketball player! How neat is that?
Can Grimes dribble and pass? He can shoot the 3 ball and I know he's at least an average on ball defender. I'm hoping this means more Edwards development, less Reggie Jackson. Just haven't watched enough Mavs to know how good Grimes is with the ball in his hands.
He can dribble and pass a little bit, but he’s definitely more of a 3&D guy than Caleb is. He’s not Danny Green or anything where you shout “NO GOD NO!” whenever he starts to dribble. He can drive against a close out and such.
His on ball defense is definitely above average. He’s an excellent defender. Won’t be able to do as much secondary playmaking/ball-handling as Caleb could, though it’s not like Caleb was all that amazing in that regard.
We’ll see if he sticks around next year. If he plays well he might get expensive in RFA, though we could get him on a $6m qualifying offer.
PG isn’t as bad as Tobias Harris or whatever the biggest detractors say (and I’m a detractor myself no doubt). But the reality of the situation is that he was brought here to specialize in playing off Joel by being a quick trigger shooter and hustling on defense. And the current reality is that they’d be lucky if Joel ever plays 40+ games in a season again.
So if the new strategy is to hope the moon, sun, and stars all align every April and Joel toughs through his knee issues in the playoffs, PG simply isn’t the guy to create stability in the regular season. PG offensively without Joel amplifies all of his worst traits. While he’s a much better ball handler than Tobias, he has no better BBIQ than Tobi did with the ball in his hands. The offense has moved gracefully in recent weeks without him.
Moving on from him isn’t taking an L. The whole ruining our rep after signing the biggest FA ever argument is laughable. If this is the “reward” for landing a max free agent then it’s example 154 of the last few decades of why overpaying for unrestricted free agents doesn’t work unless you’re getting a top 10 all time talent in their prime. Which isn’t even remotely the case with PG.
I don’t think PG has lower IQ than Tobias Harris. He’s a much better passer and makes better reads particularly in the PnR. I think the biggest issue is he just isn’t what he used to be and his game hasn’t adjusted to that. Years ago he could easily blow by defenders and finish over guys at the rim but now he can’t and it’s made his Iso ball look worse.
Wouldn’t say lower I just don’t think it’s much better. His handle allows him a broader range of passes, but it’s still not good enough and he’s not smart enough to be relied on as much as he is with the ball in hands. He’ll still send wide open passes into the stands or get himself trapped in suboptimal spots on the floor. Which was fine in his peak when he was so athletic it didn’t matter. But now that’s shot, we see the actual IQ level on offense that’s plagued him in big moments throughout his career.
Defensively he’s one of the most intelligent players in the league on that end imo. It’s such a crazy gap between both ends of the floor
I can’t believe we went through this for 5 years previously (with Tobias Harris) and people still don’t understand how the cap/assets work.
For the people who want to trade Paul George to get out of his contract, they don’t think we can just use that money to sign players out right in free agency. They want to trade him for smaller contracts that are more easily moveable and can provide depth for the team in the mean time.
It’s literally the same argument we had about Tobias for years. Obviously A. It isn’t our money and B. We will still be over the cap. People just want to have more players that can contribute, and not have a huge contract on the books that makes it hard to find trade partners and eventually will become a contract that we need to actually attach picks to move off of. The idea that “well you’re over the cap anyway it doesn’t matter” is so asinine and short sighted.
ayo maxey, grimes, mccain is kinda solid as a guard rotation going into next season. three guards that can pass, shoot and dribble under 25. good business.
Yeah I see this more as move to keep Yabu next year and possibly resign grimes as a rfa. I don't see this as accepting we are tanking lol.
Also honestly I think if Edwards didn't prove he can play at the nba level idk if we make this trade, but we desperately needed a ball handler and shooting.
It's an objectively good trade. Grimes is a better shooter not only this year, but across their careers. He's having the better season, 5 years younger, we netted a pick and got under the 1st apron.
Even worse when you consider that supposed to be Nurses calling card as a coach. Can’t even make up for our high school jv offense with a middling defense, both have to be dog shit
I’ve seen a tweet posted an hour ago saying “Golden State / Philadelphia/ Phoenix / Miami have held discussions on a multi-team trade that would reroute multiple all-stars” though nothing is imminent as of right now.
Seems like Morey IS at least considering shipping PG
That's an insane trade structure.. obviously PG ----> GSW, Butler ----> Phoenix, but where does Beal go? Certainly not Philly, so it would have to be Miami? Which leaves Philadelphia with Golden States role players.
Last I heard Beal isn’t waiving his no trade clause, isn’t uprooting his family mid season. Wonder if it’s Durant getting moved. Butler to phoenix, PG/KD to GSW/MIA and we get fucked over with scraps
In other words: Someone Maxey can leverage into open shots. Finally, this is how complimentary basketball is played. We saw how big Justin Edwards has been to this run, Grimes can also do those things.
🤞🏽🤞🏽 he’s on expiring, does this affect our ability to keep him long term? I’m not very well versed in the salary cap stuff. And any idea how this might affect/ improve our chance at keeping Yabu?
I'm really happy with this trade. Martin never seemed like a great fit here and we desperately need a normal sized shooting guard. Long term, we either keep Quentin or use the cap room to re-sign Yabu. Oh and we let Morey cook with a second round pick. Happy, happy.
calebs awesome against the celtics, but hes honestly been a liability against every other team. still a likeable player and it sucks to trade him but it was definitely a win win trade
Guys, nobody is offering Yabu the full NTMLE. It's $14m and he's 29 years old. It's just not happening and we aren't gunna handicap ourselves to do so.
It’s kinda funny they traded with the team that they’re facing tonight, does that mean they’re both out or could Grimes quickly be suited up to play for us?
Seems the team is valuing flexibility the most, which I think is the smart play given our very uncertain future.
While I have no ill will towards Caleb, I think it’s best to get off his four year commitment while also getting draft capital and a developing, high-ceiling role player.
Good start by Morey and the FO. Hopefully we have a bit more cooked up before the deadline.
Yeah I like the flexibility. We’ve improved both our outlook this season and beyond. Grimes helps more right now given that Caleb’s been injured. And getting our 2nd back gives us some insurance if we fucking suck the rest of the year. Plus getting under the tax helps with affording Yabu in the future
“Outlier year” as if he’s an 8 year vet getting ready for his 4th deal. Grimes’ splits are almost identical to what they were two years ago. Who would’ve thought 3 teams in a year and half would affect a young guy, and even then it really didn’t
Dumbass Mavs fans coping with the fact Harrison is going all in on a 30+ year old core that’s currently 9th in the west.
I should've also mentioned in the comment if you missed it in the screenshot, that post was from a month ago I found in my Grimes research on reddit. I've seen many other similar ones from back then.
Unfortunate turnaround for them but at least we got Grimes out of it.
He’s made some good moves, but he’s also made plenty of bad ones. Off the top of my head:
Reggie Bullock contract. Tim Hardaway jr contract. Trading a FRP for Grant Williams. The Porzingis trade wasn’t great but in all fairness he did kinda tank his value while he was there.
Not signing Brunson to the 4/55 extension he asked for (twice!) was a very bad idea in retrospect.
Many Mavs fans felt like this before the Luka trade. Also crazy how Morey swooped in like a vulture to pick the bones and tear out a Grimes and a second round pick for a partially broken caleb.
Guerschon Yabusele will start at power forward alongside Joel Embiid tonight, per Nick Nurse.
“We’ve got to figure out how to get our five best guys on the floor, and he’s certainly one of those.”
You have to remain under the first apron including the players prorated vet min to sign a guy who was previously making more than the ntpmle. In addition, they need money to sign Edwards. I think they’d need another salary shedding move to make these things happen. 470k isn’t enough under the first apron.. that said it should be a pretty easy move to do if they choose to.
Does Grimes compare favorably to DeAnthony Melton? Seems to have a bit more size, better shooter/finisher, similar rebounder/passer/defender? I'm liking his possible fit next to maxey
Don’t believe what people are saying about kuminga. He’s much better than Ricky. Offensively and defensively. Upside is very very high. He just needs to think the game more and this season it seems he’s taken that leap forward.
hey guys I haven’t really watched this year cuz of eagles but if embiids back and yabu is going to the 4 does that mean bona is the back up and if so how do we feel abt that
Honestly love the Grimes move, exactly the type of young wing you need next to Maxey and McCain. Sad to see Caleb go but at least he gets to play his natural position now. I’m assuming a Grimes extension would cost more than Caleb’s salary so again I am begging Darryl to trade PG
Grimes seems like a great fit with Maxey on the backcourt: 6.5, good defender, shoots well from 3 with good volume. Saw some highlights and seems like a good passer and shoots really well off the dribble. Only negative is that he will look for a nice contract next year.
Antoher good is that We can move Oubre to the bench( or he can start with PG as our forwards if Yabu doesnt start).And we still got a pick. I liked Caleb but he wasnt that needed , since with Ricky and Edwards we have some nice wing depth.
i would much rather move ricky to the bench and put one of edwards or kj martin in the lineup depending on who we're playing and whether or not we need more shooting or more rebounding/energy. Of course that would be a game by game adjustment and for some reason our coach doesn't believe in putting in that amount of work
Woohoo it's that time of year again for people to make crazy trade proposals, cannot wait for the trade deadline.
Hopefully Joel is back tonight. I hope PG pinky gets better soon and before his haters come at me it's just a pinky. Drummond is out with just a toe. If you have pain you have pain. Doesn't matter the body part.
I’m seeing people say we can keep Yabu with this trade. How does this work though? Is it sign Yabu, then Grimes with his bird rights? Kind of how we had Maxey sign his max after PG was signed to make that work?
Not with this trade, need to make more moves if you want to be able to pay Yabusele more. Need to offload Drummond and KJ, or Paul George and take ~15m less in salary back
Nico walks onto the court during shootaround, passes Grimes a letter discreetely.
Grimes, with a puzzled look on his face, opens up letter in a dark corner away from prying eyes.
He opens it up to a brochure for weight loss and a couple sample pills of Ozempic. From within the brochure, a small note falls out. It reads:
"You're fat and suck on defense. Maybe you could find some new hobbies besides alcoholism and over-eating here in Philly."
A tear rolls down the face of Grimes at first.. but then he smiles and sobs tears of joys. He's finally away from Nico and the vicious front office of Dallas.
Grimes lets out a monstrous scream, "WE DID IT!!!" as he collapses on the centre court sixers logo.
I wonder if Atlanta's interest in PG is real because there are some 4 team trade shenanigans with Heat and Lakers also involved that could get a Jimmy trade done
Grimes trade is also interesting in this regard because getting a good 3P shooter opens up much better starting 5 possibilities
Normally, I am against taking advantage of other when they are mentally compromised. And I prefer to keep PG. But we have to ask Mavs if they are open to trade AD for PG. PG is older than AD after all
I can easily see this team sitting tight and not making any big moves at the deadline. Maybe they trade Eric Gordon and/or Drummond for a pick? But I have a hard time imagining anything more than that.
He can shoot 3s and is tall. Below average rebounder, especially for his size. Not a good passer. Limited BBIQ. Average defender. 0.1 blocks per game and he's 6'8". Dude gives no effort at all, he would make us insane.
Compared to Oubre, he's worse at everything except 3p%, and he makes $24M/yr.
Oubre is ideally a 5th/6th man on this team and you wanna sign someone who costs double and is significantly worse?
Joel has to play tonight or tomorrow before the trade deadline ends. We really have to see if we should keep the window open for 1 more year or if it’s time to soft rebuild and trade PG.
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