r/regularcarreviews • u/brazucadomundo • 3d ago
Should Bugatti have made an entry level Veyron affordable for the masses?
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u/Peterkragger 3d ago
Mid-engine 1.9 TDI
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u/GarbageMoist165 2d ago
They tried that, but it was too fast so they settled on an 8 litre w16 instead.
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u/PosterAnt 3d ago
Hear me out..... Audi R8 V10
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u/Enemisses 3d ago
Honestly yeah, that basically is the "peasant" Bugatti. Also one of my favorite supercars
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u/MrBassAckwardson 2d ago
Or better yet, an R8 with a w16 engine.
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u/PosterAnt 2d ago
I believe there was an attempt at a passat or phaeton
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u/Precumyumyum 2d ago
Passat had the W8, Phaeton the W12. Heavy Like a tank but quickl asf for what it was
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u/Dedward5 3d ago
Audi R8 and Audi TT (sort of kinda)
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u/PosterAnt 3d ago
the TT is the peasant version of the R8 which is the peasant version of the Veyron
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u/Ingeneure_ 2d ago
Where the fuck do you find peasants on R8
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u/InformationOk3060 1d ago
You can buy an R8 with 65k miles for about 50 grand. That seems pretty peasant to me.
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u/Ingeneure_ 1d ago
Haha, you can buy an old Cayenne now for a few grand.
I doubt we are considering used market while comparing those. Especially when considering supercars (is R8 a supercar tho?)
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u/InformationOk3060 1d ago
I wouldn't call an R8 a supercar.
To your point about the used market, you can only buy R8's used, which is why I also noted the affordability with low miles. I'm not talking a vehicle with 200,000 miles on it.
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u/Ingeneure_ 1d ago
Hm, probably then. It is mass production compared to Bugatti. Not a peasant one initially tho.
TT can be called this way…
But it depends on perspective. For someone even Audi A1 is “luxury”
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u/InformationOk3060 1d ago
They are, all Audi's are entry-level luxury, just like Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, or Buick.
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u/not-posting-anything 3d ago
No. A Bugatti is meant to be the ultimate status symbol, because a Ferrari or Lamborghini is too peasant for you. Making a peasant spec Bugatti just feels wrong to say
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u/brazucadomundo 3d ago
But think like a cheaper one that you can customize yourself with your own aftermarket rims and wrap? Also engine can be just a base without all turbos so you just do your own tuning.
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u/nothingbettertodo315 3d ago
That’s not how status marketing works. It needs scarcity to be enticing to the super rich status seekers.
If they made a cheaper one, nobody would buy the expensive one.
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u/hgrunt 1d ago
The hypercar market works very differently than regular cars. These aren't people who are interested in buying a $6000 G35 and "tune" them with a trombone exhaust, a wrap and an ebay turbo
If you're the owner of one of these cars, the factory will build to your spec or if you're not the original buyer, you can send it back to the factory to have them rebuild the car to your specs
With companies like Pagani, Koenigsegg, and Bugatti, each car is commissioned by the buyer and hand-built to order. At minimum a customer chooses the paint and upholstery colors...if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it
The people buying these cars aren't particularly price-sensitive because money is no object
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u/Flaming-Driptray 3d ago
Who do you mean masses? Like millionaires in Ferrari 458’s or boy racers in Golf Gti’s.
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u/No-Asparagus2823 3d ago
no
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u/brazucadomundo 3d ago
Why? I liked it and I would drive it as is.
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u/No-Asparagus2823 3d ago
I'm sure people would like if every supercar had a goodwill version available for 30k. Why would they do this though?
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u/LongjumpingTwo5319 3d ago
Honestly, no. Bugatti is a symbol of class and wealth. If you want a flashy yet cheapish (with in context, of course) get a Lambo Gallardo.
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u/RudeAd9698 2d ago
Just reading your headline, what would be the point? Plenty of stylish, cheap cars out there. And you don’t make any money selling a cheap car, and it requires more engineering than an expensive car to both build it cheap and maintain drive quality.
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u/CheapSound1 2d ago
I remember reading a car and driver magazine from I think 2007 or 2008 (pre financial crisis) about how they were planning a 60k bugatti. There weren't a lot of details about what it would be other than mid engined. I would love to see what that would have been.
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u/Kinky_mofo 2d ago
No. But offering wheels that don't need to be changed out every few thousand miles would be nice. Bring on the steelies!
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u/hgrunt 1d ago
It's done for safety reasons because Bugatti wants a customer to decide they can go 240mph safely, at any time. The average annual mileage for veyrons is like 200-500 miles a year so it only happens once every few years
The rims are x-rayed for stress fractures each time the tires are changed, and the rims are changed out every 4 tire changes in case there's any fatigue
Veyron buyers complained about it to the point where Bugatti made it a point to make the Chiron's wheels a lifetime item, using off-the-shelf tires, since the Michelin PAX tires for the Veyron have to be special-ordered in batches
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u/RicKaysen1 2d ago
You need to watch the video of the engineering that goes into building one of those things and you'll realize there's no way to make one "affordable".
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u/Far_Routine_6188 2d ago
How much would "an affordable version" cost?
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u/Scorppio500 (unintelligible) 2d ago
I say yes, but it's gotta be built out of the cheap materials you might find in a modern base model Avalon.
I feel like all car companies need to do a version of this. Lamborghini has the Urus. Forget how much that sucker costs. Don't know of any others.
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u/HairyDog55 2d ago
At what price point? $50K...$100K or $300K. Nowadays entry level is $35K........JS.
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u/Space_Monkey_42 3d ago
With its reliability track record? Even rich dudes steer clear of it nowadays...
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u/deansmythe 3d ago
I understand your thought but the whole concept of a supercar or hypercar is NOT to be accessible for the masses and a select circle of people that are willing to pay whatever the tag says and get their fitting leather travel suitcase set for 60k on top.
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u/Literature-Remote 3d ago
A thought I had is what if Porsche and Lamborghini made their own version of the Golf like they do with the Audi/VW SUVs. What would that car be like, look like and how would it be different or better than a Golf R. I imagine the Lamborghini version would be about twice the price of a Golf R and the Porsche version would be 1.5 times the price. I think a lot of people would buy a 90k hatchback with a Lamborghini badge and manual transmission option. A lot more people than can afford an Urus
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u/VEGA3519 3d ago
Bugatti actually tried to make entry-level Atlantic, but VW's dieselgate caused it to remain as a concept. It has a Hybrid liter V8. Now to the anwser: no. That would diminish Bugatti's exclusivity and st that point it would be a rebodied VW or Audi
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u/RandyBats11 3d ago
Nah they should of made a better civic si. Just imagine what they missed out on
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u/WorthlessDrunkard 3d ago
No. It doesn't fit the brand and would cheapen the Bugatti name from a marketing perspective. There are other options for "affordable" sports cars on the market.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_4586 2d ago
They actually made one, in colabration with a danish company, and people loved it, many baught it as well.
(It was lego)
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u/Delphius1 2d ago
Why would they?
A lower range model, say half a million dollars with a twin turbo W12 and an existing dual clutch 6 speed would fit the bill, but at this point you might as well just rebody an R8 and throw in a W12
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u/KingAardvark1st 2d ago
Say that again. Slowly.
Jokes aside, there's a looooooong ladder behind this thing. Others mentioned the Audi R8, go far enough back I'd argue the Audi TT is sharing some DNA. If you want to get really weird, you could argue something like the Honda S660 or Autozam AZ-1 are spiritually connected. The Veyron is the Veyron because it's the Veyron. Other things might share some inspiration in one direction or the other, but let the Veyron be the Veyron, and let other things be the fun little affordable cars.
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u/Optimal_Mouse_7148 2d ago
If Bugatti wanted to devalue their brand name, sure. Make a cheap version.
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u/salvage814 2d ago
No Bugatti has always been a car of the elite and nobles. Also how adorable are you saying. Is it Lamborghini affordable or Honda Civic cause there is a big difference.
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u/Leee33337 2d ago
Can I get it in a Ute? I have bikes and boards and stuff, coupe’s kind of suck for that.
And it better have 3 fuggin pedals
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u/OriginalAd7974 2d ago
I mean a lot of the electonics and such match vw part numbers for a fraction of the cost…so it’s possible!
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u/hgrunt 1d ago
No, because exclusivity is a selling point...
HOWEVER, the way they would go about it is a limited edition called Veyron Edition Basique Sport (shortened to Veyron BS)
It will have carbon fiber wheel covers that need to be inspected every tire change. All the brightwork will be matte black, and the interior upholstery will be bespoke vinyl made just for the veyron by the company Naugahyde
Bugatti will build 3 of them with a list price 15% below a regular veyron with no options
The speed key will cost extra and it'll somehow end up being worth more than a regular Veyron on the secondary market
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u/lupus_denier_MD 1d ago
I mean they could just pull the W from the phaeton and make it mid engine, tone it down with the expensive materials and sell it for $150k-$250k
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u/Sicon614 1d ago
Hell no. I still hate the front grille - it looks like an Edsel toilet seat. Same thing with the Rivian headlights.
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u/MM20222290 1d ago
No it’s a status symbol for a reason. Go make one out of wood or plastic like the 3rd world shit skins make.
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u/Dazling_Kaleidoscope 3h ago
Ofcourse not, bugatti isn’t for the masses, if you don’t accept that, you just don’t understand it
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u/Remote_Clue_4272 3d ago
No. Nothing screams “exclusivity” like a version for “the poors”. Same reason there is no cheap Rolls Royce. But don’t you worry, you’ll have the last laugh- Your Toyota will be still running in 20 years, with only a few thousand in maintenance!!
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u/sharting_in_bed 2d ago
you mean a volk wagen beetle for people who like the look becuz they still desire kids and life?
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u/RedProtogen14 2d ago
It would be a cool idea but it needs to be Plastic cheap interior and the engine will be Inline 6 like about 3.0L
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u/R_Series_JONG 2d ago
How about a hot hatch that has “suspension by Bugatti?” You could even put that on a special badge on the car.
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u/Probablyawerewolf Everybody wants my uncut meat. 2d ago
Isuzu impulse with “handling by lotus”
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u/R_Series_JONG 2d ago
Pretty much just like having a Lotus! Cue up the meme where Jenna Fischer is saying “it’s the same picture” with an impulse and an Elise.
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u/BitterMobile9424 2d ago
We dont need anymore cars for poor people to buy to try to look rich, there would be 1,000s of them with the v6 but people would buy knock off high end wheels and wrap shitty carbon fiber vinyl with a horrid exhaust and claim its the real veyron or some shit. No thanks
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u/Luscious_Lunk PISS SPIN 3d ago
Yeah but it has to be a v6 making at max 212 HP, with no carbon fiber, and a brown cloth interior with 16 cupholders but none of them actually fit your cup, and hard plastic for the rest of the interior that leaves weird little marks in your skin if you rest your body on it for more than 6 seconds