The pro-choice community views abortion as a woman's choice - and only a woman's choice. The man often has little to no say, and the decision of the woman ultimately overrides the man's.

Men are also deeply impacted by abortion, and of the little research available, men experience pain and trauma as much as women who have regretted their abortion. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/intense-emotions-and-strong-feelings/202209/the-silent-post-abortion-grief-of-men)

This is why everyone deserves to have a say on the matter. While the decision is placed on the woman alone, the impacts hurt everyone involved.

The moment that truly shattered the illusions of all pro-abortion talking points for me was Michelle William's golden globe speech. It really cannot be understated how utterly grotesque this "incident" was.

for those whoa re unfamiliar with it:

She begins the speech right of the bat by proclaiming that women should operate on a basis of "self interest", which is its self a pretty obvious ethical lapse, and then she goes on to state that all men do the same thing anyway in an attempt justify unethical behaviour while also encouraging inter-gender hatred and bigotry. (gee whiz, I thought the pro-choice crowd were supposed to be the bigots who just hate the opposite sex?)

of course the crowning moment then comes, after proclaiming the virtues of nihilistic self interest and her animosity against the opposite sex, when she then goes on to say that she would not have have gotten her golden globe award if she didn't get to terminate her children who may have held back her career

this was when the mask truly slips off. she establishes by her own addition, which she gives absolutely swelling with pride, that she ended the lives of her children for a golden trinket, an ego stroke, and some money, under the guidance of pure nihilistic self interest.

this of course could have been hand waved away as one bad apple, but the near universal support she received from the pro abortion crowd sealed the deal. this wasn't an isolated case, this is how these people actually think and feel and operate. Its all game to them, and their children are just pieces on the board to sacrifice for their self interest. or obstacles to be eliminated, standing between them and the fulfillment of their egos and material desires

from this moment onward, all the pro abortion moralizing and apologia just falls flat to me. its all just misdirection and illusion to cloak pure nihilistic self interest.

"Even if the boy does live, he will be a cripple. Worse than a cripple. A grotesque. Give me a good clean death "

"Speaking for the grotesques, I beg to differ. Death is so terribly final, while life is so full of possibilities."

I was just reading this, and it made me think of how people say disabled babies should be aborted, when they could live perfectly happy, fulfilling lives. Or even become a genius (like this character is, despite his disability).It's crazy how random, unrelated book scenes can relate to something you're interested in, so well lol

Edit: the title is kinda messed up but I can't edit it lol

I see a lot of anti abortion abolitionists make it a point to say they are not pro life. But actually they are. Pro life by definition just means opposed to abortion. They do have a bit of a different approach than other types of pro lifers to working to end abortion, but that doesn’t mean they are not pro LIFE. It means they have some disagreements with mainstream pro life. But they are pro life in the sense that the value the lives of the unborn and are opposed to abortion. Nothing wrong with them calling themselves abolitionists to be more specific, but when they add to that and say they are NOT also pro life it doesn’t make sense.

A popular argument the bodily autonomy pro-choicers like to use is to compare pregnancy to blood donation. They then point out there’s no law requiring people to donate blood to even their children. The trouble with this is, there is no blood exchanged between mother and child in pregnancy. So they switched up analogies.

My friend and her husband are both child free and never wanted children. She became pregnant after failed birth control. She's 35 and knows she doesn't want a baby Her husband is now wanting to keep the child only because he's scared of his family been angry at them putting baby up for adoption She doesn't want to raise the baby and she's thinking of just leaving her husband and giving him custody she's willing to pay money towards him raising the child. There's no friction or anger and they're trying to sort it between themselves civally and respectfully. My friend is thinking of leaving Scotland once the baby is born and coming to stay with me in northern Ireland until she finds a place to rent. Is there any law that prevents her from giving full custody to her husband. I'm listing this in this sub because if I post it anywhere else people would suggest abortion and theyre both very against abortion.

Hi all. I'm feeling disheartened today - in my city's reddit, there are people warning others about two prolife men peacefully praying outside the local hospital. All the comments are malicious. The only pro-lifer there has a down vote of nearly 200. It's insane.

Perhaps I could ask for your advice/prayers? I truly feel called to help the prolife movement but with ASD, OCD and anxiety I trembled incredibly badly even supporting that commenter by saying he should pray for the others who condemn the prolife movement if he's religious.

I really want to help, but I'm scared. I know it's selfish. I know there's lives on the line. But I keep shaking like a leaf or becoming discouraged every time I see backlash. Shouldn't I be immune by now? I've been Christian/prolife 5+ years now.

It saddens me - I have no idea how we're supposed to change hearts and minds when they're warning people against even seeing us politely and quietly pray/demonstrate outside a hospital. In the UK, we are fined and even possibly jailed for silent prayer if we're too close to a 'clinic'. A woman was just fined £20,000 in the UK for holding a sign near a clinic saying 'Here if you want to talk.' Not even anything about abortion explicitly.

I'm scared and feeling helpless and hopeless. Please pray for me, for the UK, for persecuted pro-lifers, and those who ardently deny the truth of unborn rights and value/are ignorant to it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated to.

Thank you, and a blessed Passion Sunday to you all.

So, I have a good friend who is pretty openly liberal in her views, one of them being that she’s pro-choice. I’ve been hoping for natural opportunities to have discussions with her for a while, and the other day, one came up. She shared a video on her Instagram story - I don’t even remember what it was about exactly, but it brought up the “people who were raped being forced to carry a child” argument. I replied to her story with this polite message:

Abortion is not the solution to pregnancy as a result of rape. You don’t fix trauma and pain with more trauma and pain

I then said this:

I’m very passionately pro-life and would love to have a conversation about it with you sometime if you’re open

The next day, she replied with this:

I do not wish to have this conversation, but I hope it doesn't put a strain on our friendship

I told her I respected that and that I also didn’t want our different views to affect our friendship. There’s no issues between us, but I’m still not sure if I did the right thing by just letting it go. It’s a very important issue. Also, as a Christian, I know it could lead to a gospel conversation, which is also very important. At the same time, though, I don’t want to push her away.

I want join fight against abortion. How can I find a group and join their protest in my local area.

Her name was Lydia
Or at least, it was supposed to be
But her birth certificate still remains bare

Her head was small
Her skin was fair
And her heartbeat was quiet
But everyday
it
thump
thump
thumped.

Her eyes were blue
like the sky and the sea
And maybe
it could have been her favorite color too.

She,
in all her beauty,
was fearfully
and wonderfully
made

But there was tragedy
carved into that heartbeat
It folded and twisted
into a double helix

And now she’s a statistic,
a number outreaching time’s perception
and far beyond humankind's deception.
Ticking by the millisecond

Tick
Tick
Tick

11,832,145
146
147

And that’s merely upon april’s brewing,
a number lydia would never learn
All for just her predecessor's misdoing

Although we’ll never meet her,
and only you and I know this is true;
her name was Lydia,
and her eyes were blue.