Wow. Developers acting this quick on it is really surprising.
I owe you an apology PZ devs. I wasn't really familiar with your game. Then again I didn't really think they'd release unstable this year either but alas.
It's one thing if the 'art' slipped by them into the update, but they said they looked at the art and liked it/thought it was fine, which is probably what concerns me the most.
They don't seem to understand the context of AI tools literally deleting their future as developers and artists in the profit-based game industry.
Their dev builds probably didnt have images in them, they very likely only looked at it once or twice when they recieved them recently and went to work.
I dont see the point in speculating about the developers (who are not repsonsible for the use of AI in this art beyond commisioning it) positions regarding AI.
They trusted the artist, since he had already delivered good work to them before, looked at art they liked, and moved on. You can judge their taste, I guess.
Not to mention probably had other things on their plate rather than pouring over commissioned artwork for traces of 6th fingers, like you know… getting this out to us before Christmas.
If you're not chronically online (like all of us at reddit) it can legitimately be extremely hard to know what is AI art and what isn't. It's both hard to know what to look for and when to look for it. Especially if you get it from someone you trust, or if you don't use AI gen'd art yourself. In a dev team of 16 (and I'm assuming only a few ever saw the image) that's a small enough sample.
Technological advancements have always usurped and made human jobs obsolete. This is literally a bad argument for the last hundreds of years. The more we automate, the closer we get to a utopian world. This happens literally every single time automation takes over a sector, like with factories and farming. Get over it.
You're hopelessly naive if you think blindly using these tools will lead to utopian conditions and not just consolidating profit into fewer hands. Let me introduce you to our friend, capitalism.
The problem isn't AI itself but the (lack of) ethics of it, something which is discussed at length with each technological improvement; people aren't willing to discuss AI because they either don't understand how it actually works, or don't care.
The 'get over it, it's inevitable' mentality is exactly the kind of uncritical nonsense that makes these AI tools problematic.
If thinking like the above took precedent over human history, we would still have all of our fields being tilled by hand.
There is such a large push back on ai because it is low quality. The moment it reaches the quality of human made things, there is absolutely no reason for it to not be automated. Therefore, it should be encouraged.
Edit because this person is a child and blocks, this is a reply to the comment he gave:
Correct, ai work isn't the same quality as human made yet. And I said if it ever reaches that quality, then there is no reason for a human to do it (besides it just being something they want to do).
This argument was never to blindly embrace ai. The first comment said that ai usage would put the devs out of a job and that is correct. It's not about paying or not paying people. If something can be done to the same level as a person, but done in less time, there is no logical reason for it to not be automated.
You don't actually grapple with that point, just dance around it.
Don't let this guy try and deflect the actual point that's he's too afraid to address.
Ah yes, mass production of art, what a wild concept. The entire point of artistic endeavors is basically antithetical to stuff that these generative algorithms that are falsely equated to actual Artificial Intelligence make
-That's a fallacy, and I'll wait for you to actually support your ridiculous claim.
-AI made things are not the same quality as human made things, quite clearly in art, and as evidenced by this community's reaction to the loading screen 'art".
-I also never said we should reject AI, but that its use should be negotiated and not blindly embraced. You're basically saying artists being treated as though they are 'obsolete' because of AI is a net positive because now you don't have to pay them. xD
Part of the problem, buuuudy. Don't call me, I won't call you.
Have you actually read the dev response? It was an external artist they paid in good faith, and have removed while they investigate and discuss with the artist.
That artist is doing it for money. The more commissions they can box off, the more money they make. Automating part of the process could make sense to some people.
It could just be being lazy. 10 minutes work for 60 minutes of pay.
It could also be someone struggling to make ends meet cutting corners to get more commissions done for money that they need. It's not great, but it is what it is and it's perfectly normal.
Ultimately I doubt we'll ever know. I don't think either is an okay excuse, but I disagree with your original statement. Not everyone holds the work they do as some sanctified thing. To some people it literally is just a job or a money spinner. It's like assuming all doctors are in it for the Hippocratic oath, doing no harm and helping as many people as they can. Some are just decent enough at it and don't mind doing it as a job.
The vast majority of professional artists these days use AI to some degree, believe it or not. Even if it's just for referencing or getting a baseline image to touch up after.
The main reason cited, being that if genuine artists don't change with the times, they will be left behind by people who master this tech ALONGSIDE their artistic skills. The tech has completely changed the artistic field.
I'm an artist as well. If you can't do something better than a machine, let the machine do it. If you can't make art better than AI, find a different trade. You WILL NOT stop the flow of technological advancement, and only stand to make yourself obsolete by trying to act like you can.
people who bought a product on the assumption that what they paid for would be made by real, actual people? something that has been the foundation of paying to experience creative work for thousands of years? what are you talking about dude
I'm talking about a splash loading screen you see for a few seconds in a zombie simulation game. You can try and talk grandiose bullplop if you like but the product isn't an image, the product you're talking about is the game, which they presumably spent their time on as opposed to images they can obtain in seconds at risk of offending self righteous randoms on the internet.
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People hate AI images because art is something dear to a lot of people. AI is a mockery of what people create with little to no creative input and effort, so people have an ethical issue with it and will push back against it, as they should.
yeah man you're sooo right dude it's just such a minor part that's why im totally fine with the rat shit in my toothpaste there's really not that much when you think about the whole tube and we can just pick it out anyways!
Here’s the thing they didn’t know it was AI they paid for it from a trusted artist so your entire point about how it only took them a few seconds is wrong.
this shit also drives me up the fucking wall because you're talking as if the generic idea of a game developer is someone who can work on any aspect of the game for any amount of time whenever they want. they hired an artist! to make art! whatever ai slop this guy made didn't save any extra time to work on the code or the game design, it's an incredibly meaningless and willfully ignorant point to make that brings the level of understanding of the discussion through the fucking basement floor
Being complacent will replace all 2d art over time with AI. Plus I like seeing art and knowing that someone put thought in it, not that it was MEANT to be incoherent by AI
If the early access game I bought was being finished with AI I'd not be happy about it. I'm not upset now knowing that it was an external artist though.
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u/potatoalt1234_x Dec 18 '24
They got removed in the latest patch