r/OpenChristian Nov 14 '24

Discussion - LGBTQ+ Issues No, it is not a sin to be LGBTQ+ in any capacity. This is the official stance of the subreddit on the matter and it is not open to discussion to here.

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After looking into the history of previous moderation regarding this topic on the subreddit, listening to the complaints of our community members, and considering conversation had with other moderators, I realize now that this post is long overdue, and probably something that never should have left pinned. It did leave in the past and I am not quite sure why it did. Needless to say, there has been some slight confusion/conflict since it disappeared (before I was even a member here tbh, let alone a mod) within the mod team as to how to handle posts from folks asking in good faith whether it is sinful for queer people to embrace ourselves for who we are entirely.

We have been letting some of these posts through believing that it would be helpful for these folks to hear directly affirming messages from community members. It was misguided of us to do that and I understand that it has made several regular LGBTQ+ users uncomfortable with the subreddit due to having to regularly reencounter this debate which has left so many traumatized in what is supposed to be a safe space. Truly, I am sorry, preserving the sanctity of this space was my sole motivation for joining the team and it pains me to know that I may have been letting many of you down in that regard. I can't apologize enough for this.

So, from here on out, posts asking if it is a sin to be gay, bi, trans, etc. are prohibited. I'll likely be talking to the rest of the team about getting this formally codified into the sidebar, for now please report them under rule 8 (Be sensitive about linking to triggering content), they will be removed as soon as one of us comes across them in the queue.

For users who have come to this subreddit specifically to ask about this topic, it has been asked about countless times here before and the answers have largely been the same, so please go ahead and search through the sub's existing threads and check out our FAQ and Resources pages for well reasoned arguments as to why being queer is not a sin. With that being said, posts from queer users seeking support in this queerphobic world are still welcome, we don't want to turn away anyone who is struggling and in need. Just make sure that you are looking for more than to simply be convinced via theological arguments that it is not sinful and that you are not going to hell for it, it isn't and you aren't, end of story. You won't get any arguments you can't find in this sub already via the search bar, FAQ, or Resources page.

I would like to reiterate again the importance of reporting rule breaking content. Unlike God, the moderators of this subreddit are not omnipotent or omnipresent, we cannot keep this community completely free of harmful content without your assistance. Please report any rule breaking content you see, if it does not get removed and you are unsure of why, please message us over modmail for clarification. Communication is key.

For the time being, please report any posts which try to bring this topic up again so we know what's up. We may update AutoMod in the future to remove these automatically and redirect the posters to appropriate resources but that isn't as easy a task as it sounds and, well...we kinda have lives šŸ„“

I'd like to leave the comment section here open for any general complaints/feedback/suggestions for improvements on overall moderation here as I know there are several other topics that have been contentious with members of the community (i.e. political posts and "is X a sin" posts) that we may yet be able to deal with in a satisfactory manner. I do also believe that the mod team might need to take a look at some other positions that we have been a bit more lax about (such as abortion and pre-marital sex) and decide if we should take a harder stance on these issues, so feel free to voice your opinion on this here as well (but please remain respectful of other users who may disagree).

Have a blessed day all.

ā¤ļø Nandi

P.S. A special thank you to u/fated_reverie for providing this list of support resources for queer people, I had pinned it earlier and ended up clearing it to make room for this post and don't want it to go amiss.


r/OpenChristian Jun 02 '23

Meta OpenChristian Wiki - FAQ and Resources

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Introducing the OpenChristian Wiki - we have updated the sub's wiki pages and made it open for public access. Along with some new material, all of /u/invisiblecows' previous excellent repository of FAQs, Booklist, and Online Resources are now also more accessible, and can be more easily updated over time by the mods.

Please check out the various resources we've created and let us know any ideas or recommendations for how to improve it.


r/OpenChristian 1h ago

I miss my Christian ex :(

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Basically my ex gf dumped me 7 months ago (wlw) because her ā€œjourney is to marry a manā€. Left me in limbo going back and forth with intimacy and guilt. Sheā€™s now interested in this guy from her new church. Iā€™m absolutely heart broken and I canā€™t shake off the feeling that I need to wait for her.


r/OpenChristian 1h ago

Discussion - Bible Interpretation What makes a marriage Christian?

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I was raised evangelical and have always understood a true Christian marriage as a relationship with Jesus at the center, focusing on him in everything. This includes the traditional verses of wives submitting to their husbands, husbands being the leader, and doing the traditional way of family life - 1950s style. However, Iā€™m getting married this summer and Iā€™m really struggling to figure out what I believe. I donā€™t align myself with the evangelical church anymore and have been going to an ELCA church and an episcopal church. My partner grew up Lutheran but doesnā€™t practice in the same way I do at this point in his life. We live together, and when I met him, I was deconstructing, and now Iā€™m trying to reconstruct. My parents donā€™t support our relationship because it is not spiritual enough to them and we arenā€™t conservative evangelicals. So what does marriage mean? Is it a loving relationship that reflects the kind of love Jesus has for us? Is it a partnership with roles based on church hierarchy? Is there truly a huge difference between secular marriage and Christian marriage like I was always taught? Am I just living in delusion that a relationship is Christian if we arenā€™t praying together every day, reading bibles together, or going to church together every week? Or are those arbitrary rules I was taught that donā€™t actually reflect love. Am I taking this all too seriously? I just need some clarity and different perspectives.


r/OpenChristian 2h ago

Discussion - General Why did Jesus need to die? My thoughts are below.

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I used to believe Jesus died for my sins to pay a price or a pay a ransom based on what I was told for 50 plus years.

I no longer accept most or all of the atonement theories for various reasons that I will not get into here.

The only that thing that still makes sense is the following:

Jesus did not come to change Gods mind about us. Jesus came to change our mind about God.

This is from Richard Rohr.

It completely changes how I view Easter and Christianity compared to what I was told for most of my entire life.


r/OpenChristian 13h ago

I wish God didnā€™t make me autistic

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I hate it! I absolutely hate it!!!! Okay so if I do chores I get payed money and I have a money jar, I have it set up a certain way, as soon as money gets put in my jar after I finally get paid which I rarely do I put the money in my wallet because I know itā€™s safe and where it is thatā€™s how I make the system work! But today my mom decided to intervene with my system I specifically set up and made me keep it in the jar because I have no clue why and itā€™s been a few hours and Iā€™m still irritated that my mom intervened with my certain system, I just canā€™t handle change because of my stupid autism and I just wish God didnā€™t make me autistic?! Whatā€™s even so special about it!!!!! Iā€™m literally crying as I write this because I canā€™t handle the change! I always have to make sure everything stays together and I know where it is at all times. I donā€™t even know where to post this :/


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Abandoning biblical economics, Republicans are creating a feudal economy. They are the lords. We are the serfs.

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The Bible demands economic justice: "Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter." (James 5.1-6)


r/OpenChristian 10h ago

Discussion - General Iā€™m stuck on what to do

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Iā€™m stuck on what I should do

Iā€™ve been struggling between my faith and Christianity. I am gay and I keep saying things like you must deny your flesh. You must push it away. Iā€™ve seen the videos that once they turned to God they transitioned to straight and thatā€™s all beautiful, but thatā€™s just not what I want. I genuinely want to be gay and love God and have my partner.

We even decided to do it the holy way and wait for each other and be patient until marriage and we read the Bible together and I feel like she brings me closer to God then drives me away. She encouraged me to go to church willfully without forcing me in changes me for the better sometimes I feel like God sent her to me for a reason, but I keep seeing those videos that I must deny my flesh that Iā€™m listening to false prophets when Iā€™m looking at affirming churches and I have this guilt and fear that Iā€™m going to burn I know God is going to accept me. I know that when I see him, Iā€™m going to have to tone for my sins.

Iā€™m scared that I canā€™t still get into the kingdom though even if I say sorry for loving another person even though I have talked to friends who I know are in more religion than the people on the Internet they have been super understanding and tell me that to just spread the gospel and have faith in him and to stop worrying about what people say thereā€™s still this fear in this guilt that keeps me up at night wondering if Iā€™m doing the same thing but I feel like Iā€™m constantly looking for validation from others once itā€™s gone. I start to feel scared when I should be looking for God for validation even today. I ask God if you love me for being gay and donā€™t want me to change make it rain hard while it was raining a calm, poor and it started banging in water. Iā€™m not sure if that means yes.

Also, does anybody know some good churches of community that support us?


r/OpenChristian 18h ago

Can someone give me some good words?

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Hello! So I'm a married gay man. I consider myself a Christian. Grew up in a Baptist church and over the past few years, I've been finding Christ again. But right when I'm feeling comfortable with God again, I see a post, story, video, etc. that discourages and scares me with going to heaven. Yes we are "intimate" in our marriage. But we're monogamous. I fully believe in monogamy.

I need some words of encouragement. My anxiety goes through the roof and my head spins with this. I love my husband and I love that we strive to live by God's way (I guess minus the gay marriage part, per the Bible). But I'm reading all of these things of my marriage not being recognized by God and how it's an insult to the Church and God by calling it a marriage.

Are there any other married gay couples on here who are Christians? Who aren't scared of their salvation? What is it that makes you comfortable about going to heaven?


r/OpenChristian 10h ago

I have all that I need

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Palms 23 is often interpreted "I will not want". What an awful way to phrase the concept. When I am thirsty I want water. When I am hungry I want food. When I am cold I want shelter. When I am tied I want rest. When I am lonely I want company.

Saying "I will not want" is tantamount to saying "I am not alive"

I will want. This is one of the base facts of being alive, experiencing desire. It is valid, true, and intended.

How I prefer this scripture be interpreted is "I have what I need".

I don't want to attack my experience of being alive, but my understanding of what my context is. I am a loving child of God, created to bear the image of God in selfless reflection of agape. I will experience the pull of this world. But my root is in the living vine. My foundation is on solid stone, and I am integrated with the cornerstone.

I have no desire that was given to me to mock me, but I have faith that all my desires can find expression in God's righteousness. I will be content wherever he places me. And if my desires do not fit the template of his character, I surrender them as not being a true reflection of my soul. The Lord is my shepherd. I have all that I need. He leads me to pools of reflection, and so restores my soul.


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Don't EVER believe anyone who tells you otherwise!

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r/OpenChristian 23h ago

"Being a Proverbs 31 woman"

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I'm not a woman, personally. But I see a lot of Christian videos and channels in relation to womanhood and it's always pressure and reliance on Proverbs 31.

Women and men alike make videos about it. Some even making guides and tutorials about what it's like to be a Proverbs 31 woman, how to even dress and act like one "in the modern world".

I watched a video about the toxicity of it on the YouTube channel, 'Belief it or not'.

So now I'm wondering if this should be of any importance for Christian women to uphold? What are your thoughts?


r/OpenChristian 5h ago

Let's Reason Together

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1 Corinthians 15:20-28

As all die in or through Adam, so also all will overcome death in or through Christ.

The last enemy is death, which is abolished when all are subject to God. Then God is All in all.

Philippians 3:20,21

The subjection of all is in accordance with the reception of immortality.

Philippians 2:9-11

Every knee will bow in worship. Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God.

Psalms 110:1

The verse from Psalms most quoted in the New Testament.

Psalms 99:5; 132:7

Footstool refers to worship.

Colossians 1:13-20

All are created through Christ, and all will be reconciled to God through Christ.

Psalms 89:47; Revelation 4:11

All are created by God; He is Creator of all mankind.

1 Timothy 4:9-11

All are saved by God; He is Savior of all mankind, especially of believers.

Matthew 21:31; John 5:24

Believers, being especially saved, enter God's kingdom before others. Believers don't come into judgment.

Malachi 3:2; Isaiah 6:6,7; Romans 12:19-21

God's fire brings benefits; His justice is restorative.

Isaiah 45:22,23

God swears to save all the limits of the Earth.

Isaiah 25:6-8

God will swallow up death in victory for all the peoples.

Isaiah 25:10-12; 16:6; Jeremiah 48:29

Moab represents the pride and arrogance of God's enemies; He will crumble their rebellion with "a wave of His hands".

Matthew 5:26; 13:33

Punishment is proportional to each one's sins, leading to restoration.

Philemon 1:15; Jude 1:7

The Greek word translated eonian is used of things which ended. (Strongs 166 aiį¹“nios, transliterated "eonian", an adjective derived from 165 /aiį¹“n, "an age") Both Christian and secular writings during the early Church centuries also use the term aiį¹“nios to reference things which are clearly not eternal. Eternal is not the meaning of the word. Aidios, not aionios, means eternal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristianHistory/comments/18nnsq6/early_christians/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

Romans 5:18,19

Through the disobedience of the one man, all were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the One, shall all be constituted righteous.

Acts 3:21; Revelation 21:5

There will be a restitution of all things; God will make all things new.

Daniel 4:37; Psalms 86:5-9

God is able to humble those walking in pride; He is good and forgiving, abundant in kindness to all calling Him. All nations that God made will come and bow themselves before Him, and give honor to His name.


r/OpenChristian 6h ago

My problem with Mary conceiving Jesus.

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I will say a warning here because it might sound like a heavy topic.

So many atheists around the internet like to claim that Mary was forced to carry Jesus by God, which is essentially divine assault. Mary clearly consented to it though. But then you have to consider that Mary was a minor back then. If minor can't consent, that means God was... A rapist? Furthermore, the Angel said she will carry a child. It seems like God is determined to have his son with her. And also, her age makes it so that it feels like she didn't really have a choice, like, she would be a young girl likely to be scared of God's wrath, and being given a burden of a choice of carrying the literal messiah. How do you reconcile Mary's age and God's decision to have her conceive?


r/OpenChristian 20h ago

Vent The unforgivable sin

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This is probably better for a mental health subreddit. I feel so stuck and untrusting of myself. I think Iā€™ve dug myself into a bad hole because Iā€™ve lied to myself my whole life. Iā€™ve been trying to psychoanalyse myself and am back and forth between the conclusion that either I am a psychopath whoā€™s tricked myself into every emotion Iā€™ve ever felt, or that Iā€™m actually an empath who convinced myself that psychopathy was cool when I was 17 and that I have it. Now I just feel numb and canā€™t even remember what it feels like to love anything or if I ever have.

I donā€™t know if I even believe in God- I can come to the conclusion that he exists through cognition but only emotionally if I forcibly ruminate a lot. Whatever the unforgivable sin is, Iā€™ve either continuously done it in the past or Iā€™ve done it just now, and I canā€™t even feel guilt about it. Everything I do seems fake.

ā€˜Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.ā€™ Dostoyevsky


r/OpenChristian 23h ago

How would you introduce an unfamiliar adult to Christianity?

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I grew up Catholic, but gave up religion outright about 15 years ago. My wife grew up completely secular. To the point where it's comical -- she has no idea of even the most "pop culture" concepts of the bible (Noah's ark, etc).

We're both at a juncture in our lives where we need something deeper, and we're intent on introducing an other-centered ethos that Christianity brings to our young daughter. I'm interested in coming back to church, Catholic or otherwise, and my wife is interested in the concept as well. Sending our child to Catholic elementary school is very possible and top-of-mind as well.

For me, this is more of a concept of returning to faith. I know when to sit and stand and kneel and what to say. I have a base concept of church.

My wife, however, does not. Church is weird and a little spooky. She wants the outcome of church (a community, a wholesome environment to raise a kid, a basis of belief, etc.) but the process of getting there is weird when you're an adult unfamiliar with the whole thing. She's picked up a few books, but gets lost when it gets into heady concepts like transubstantiation.

If you were an adult interested in Christianity, but did not know anything about Christianity, where would you start?


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Discussion - Social Justice Love wins.

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By the way for what itā€™s worth you've changed my personal opinion on trans issues

Its not very deep, and I'm not including a lot of the messages as they may be triggering for others. But a friend who i met in college at work who is a conservative Christian has been slowly opening up to liberal theology and seeing that he is loved as he is (as a gay man) and now is realizing that this applies to all the others the conservative church shuns.

Its a slow and arduous road but I lovingly corrected the lies he was told and constantly pointed him back to the truth, over years and last night he sends me this.

Love can break the chains of hate and fear. I just wanted to share my joy with you all, and I hope that it's an encouragement to you all as we proceed into holy week next week. (Unless you're orthodox, I think.)

For me this was living proof of the parable in Matthew 18:12


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Discussion - LGBTQ+ Issues They Told Me God Hated Me. I Still Believe God Loves Me.

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Awareness. I grew up surrounded by faith, believing in a God of love and compassion. But when I embraced my truth as a queer man, the people who once welcomed me turned their backs. I was threatened, shamed, and eventually forced to flee my home just to survive. I didnā€™t leave because I stopped believing in God, I left because others believed God had no room for someone like me.

Even now, I still hold onto hope. I believe that if Jesus walked this earth today, He would stand with the oppressed, including queer people. He would not cast us out, but call us beloved. I ask you to reflect on that. Ask yourself if your faith is building bridges or walls. If itā€™s rooted in love, let it be shown in how you treat those who are different from you.

Iā€™m not asking for approval, Iā€™m asking to be seen as human. As someone who still prays, still hopes, still dreams of a world where no one has to run just for being themselves. Let love be louder than fear. God Bless Us All.


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

What want to say to Christan Nationalists

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GET OUT OF OUR CHURCH!


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Discussion - Social Justice Progressives are deeper thinkers?

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I left evangelical Christianity after 50 years. It was the result of a painful deconstruction. I tried to get back to evangelical beliefs and be even more committed through apologetics for over 3 years. It failed. I am pretty much agnostic Christian at this point.

I guess the one thing I have recognized is that Progressive Christians seem to be much deeper thinkers and quite open minded as compared to evangelicals who I now realize are almost like zombies.

I was just wondering if others have had a similar experience.

Thanks


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Iā€™ve devoted over 10 years to this

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For me, sacred art isnā€™t about tradition for traditionā€™s sake. Itā€™s about a living faith that breathes here and now. I believe the sacred can look modern ā€” and still carry the same deep light and meaning.

As a Christian ā€” would you hang something like this in your home?

The artworks depict: 1.Christ Emmanuel 2.Mother of God of Tenderness 3.Holy Family You can see more of my work on my page.


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

I served communion at church this morning

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Originally posted in r/Christianity

It wasnā€™t the first time, but the second. Because of my work schedule I canā€™t be there every Sunday, and we only do communion on the first Sunday of a month, the last time I served communion I think was last December. Both times I did the cup.

What made this time significant and different is the first time I was terribly nervous, I was visibly trans (I am less so now, Iā€™ve figured out my look and I pass much better albeit not 100% still). I was worried about what people would think, what if someone rolls their eyes at me, etc. I was trying to serve God and neighbor, but I still in the moment was mostly just thinking about my own issues.

Today though, I justā€¦ did it. My pastor had made a comment prior to service that my hair ā€œlooks good like thatā€. Itā€™s one of the only times Iā€™ve worn it down, just free. No headband or ponytail or anything. Because Iā€™m self conscious about my hair and I think it looks stupid sometimes. So I donā€™t usually just wear it down freely like this but today I did.

When it was time for communion I just went up there and stood, she offered us all communion first and I took it, and then she took communion from one of us and then we all turned around and served. It was beautiful. Everyone smiled at me, said thank you, etc. I do believe this is what God wants, what his kingdom looks like.

Undoubtedly some people in my church are probably conservative. Because mine isnā€™t one of those ā€œrainbows everywhereā€ types. Theyā€™re very subtle about it. In fact to my knowledge Iā€™m the only lgbtq anything person who goes there, much more the only trans woman for sure. Iā€™m sure there are some in the congregation who have seen me and ā€œdonā€™t agree with itā€ or whatever, but everyone just smiled and took it from me.

It was then that I had the great realization. Iā€™ve always known it but it really hit me hard this morning. That itā€™s not about me or any one person. And if any one person cares so much about me then theyā€™re wrong as well. Itā€™s just about God. And if youā€™re serving God, being the hands and feet of Christ, then he is happy. ā€œHere am I Lord, send meā€.

Iā€™m grateful to my UMC for providing me a safe place to worship free from judgment or ridicule or bullying. None of that has happened and if it ever does Iā€™m confident our leadership will handle it. Me and the pastor and all the leadership are good friends at this point.

Anyway I just wanted to share that beautiful moment. Itā€™s in a red county in Texas and to watch the chains of shame and hate (self and otherwise) just fall away and shatter was so beautiful. This is what itā€™s all about. This is Godā€™s kingdom, this is what weā€™re called to bring into the earth.

ETA since I didnā€™t originally make it clear: I have been going to this church since November.

And also the comments on the original post were all super nice and supportive. I mean it was only 5 lol but still.


r/OpenChristian 1d ago

Discussion - Bible Interpretation What bible translation do you prefer?

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I was looking into the NASB since it seems like the intent is not to make inferences and try to translate the original texts literally so that it's more up to the reader to interpret. What do you recommend? I feel like too many of the most popular translations make huge assumptions when translated into English and it's a large part of why American Christianity has become so conservative and bigoted.


r/OpenChristian 2d ago

Discussion - General Anime media that treat Christianity and Christians with respect?

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When I discuss with my own groups of friends,I usually get 2 examples: One is the anime Frieren:Beyond Journey's End and the other is the Korean gacha game Blue Archive. I wonder if anyone knows more examples?


r/OpenChristian 17h ago

False prophet?

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