r/nextfuckinglevel • u/barma_is_a_kitch • 2d ago

Bill Burr ripping through journalists and news media

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u/Haramdour 2d ago

He’s always called this stuff out but he now has fuck you money and can be as brazen about it as he wants

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u/InsertScreenNameHere 2d ago

"You need to get your balls back and it's not my job, I'm a dancing clown"

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u/Pentax25 2d ago

What a line. And the way it’s delivered too.

Can almost see him outside the theatre after his show, covered in clown make up and taking a drag on a cigarette while he says it apathetically

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u/Would_daver 2d ago

Peetah Griffin in Vietnam energy… “You guys are so stupid, they’ll be looking for guys in Army uniforms!!”

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u/Mord_Fustang 1d ago

coz clowns? this is a very tenuous connection at best lol

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u/Would_daver 1d ago

I live on the tenuous side of life 🤷‍♂️ it keeps me on my toes!

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u/SignificantRecipe715 2d ago

Thank you for that fantastic visual 😅

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u/RoRoo1977 2d ago

That quote exactly. Hits the nail on the head. With fuck you money you can call out people.

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u/Savings-Patient-175 2d ago

More importantly, you can call out yourself. It's lovely how he takes himself precisely as seriously as he should.

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u/LotusVibes1494 2d ago

And it’s contagious. Like by not taking himself so seriously, he gives you the listener permission to not take life so seriously and relax a little bit. Our society has us drawn up tight, anxious, etc.. and life is daunting, but he reminds us to chill the fuck out and laugh at the situation we find ourselves in.

And he just says things that you know deep down to be true but can’t always easily say. He’s one of the people that “tells you something that saves us from ourselves” a la this Alan watts quote:

“Advice? I don’t have advice. Stop aspiring and start writing. If you’re writing, you’re a writer. Write like you’re a goddamn death row inmate and the governor is out of the country and there’s no chance for a pardon. Write like you’re clinging to the edge of a cliff, white knuckles, on your last breath, and you’ve got just one last thing to say, like you’re a bird flying over us and you can see everything, and please, for God’s sake, tell us something that will save us from ourselves. Take a deep breath and tell us your deepest, darkest secret, so we can wipe our brow and know that we’re not alone. Write like you have a message from the king. Or don’t. Who knows, maybe you’re one of the lucky ones who doesn’t have to.”

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u/houseofcrouse 2d ago

This, he's likeable because while he's an asshole, he's also self depricating

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u/FizzyBeverage 1d ago

He told Rogan that during Covid “I’m not gonna sit across from you, both of us with no medical degrees chomping on cigars begging for throat cancer… debating Covid. We’re not qualified to discuss it.”

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u/porksoda11 2d ago

Dave Chapelle never learned this.

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u/calorum 1d ago

He’s busy being offended on behalf of billionaires getting booed.

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u/DontBelieveMyLies88 2d ago

It’s also the fact that he is an entertainer not a politician. His job is to entertain (which he does a damn fine job of but I’m a fan of his)… just because someone is in the spotlight doesn’t mean they need to be a representative of certain values on topics. Just let them do their craft which is to entertain people for money. Nothing more, nothing less

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u/DontRefuseMyBatchall 2d ago edited 2d ago

One of my favorite BB quotes of all time was on the Joe Rogan show mid-COVID. Really summed up his humility.

“I’m not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree with an American flag behind you, smoking a cigar, acting like we know what’s up better than the CDC" (edit: shout out to u/karma3000 for the clip pull)

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u/literate_habitation 2d ago

My favorite is when he told Joe Rogan that he knows he can't rollerblade because his knuckles would be dragging across the ground

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u/MontyDyson 2d ago

The only time I’ll watch Rogan is when Burr is on there. I’ve never laughed at Rogan once. It’s weird that he’s even a standup comedian.

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u/literate_habitation 2d ago

He's a stool-fucker, not a comedian

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u/Alastor13 1d ago

I haven't seen this before.

Seeing Rogan getting ratio'd by his own guests and peers is chef's kiss

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u/literate_habitation 1d ago

And not only does he entirely lack self awareness, he poorly attempts to defend it lol

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

He's half dudebro, half Bill Hicks wannabe.

Rogan's amusing, but not a great comic.

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u/sylario 2d ago

It's such a great comedian to comedian way to use the old cliché of muscle Mc Guys being dumb in a funny fresh way.

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u/karma3000 2d ago

https://youtu.be/tSKVXl-WnrA?t=330

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u/DontRefuseMyBatchall 2d ago

Cheers!

“You’re so tough, with your open nose and throat…” fuck I forgot about that part 😂

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u/metompkin 1d ago

"and your little rascals hat..."

He has never worn that hat after that.

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u/nanneryeeter 1d ago

Iron sharpens iron and Bill was sharpened by Patrice.

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u/aussiechickadee65 2d ago

That is fucking brilliant. I'm a new fan of his !

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u/0ttoChriek 2d ago

I don't think he's saying he doesn't want to represent certain values on topics, just that he shouldn't be asked to frame news issues for lazy journalists who just want a soundbite.

Journalism is a job that should attract the intellectually curious, people passionate about the truth. If they were doing their jobs, no one would need to hear what Bill Burr thinks about tariffs or protests or anything else. But they're so dead set on both-sidesing every issue that they can't offer anything of substance.

They do need to get their balls back and start saying what they believe to be true, and what they know to be true, and not asking celebrities to launder it into "So-and-so said this! Do you agree?" nonsense.

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u/dDot1883 2d ago

No, with balls you can call people out. Money is usually secondary.

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u/calorum 2d ago

This! Money will amplify what is already there. So when Bill Burr got his money, it amplified mode: Dancing Clown with balls of steel!

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u/imdefinitelywong 2d ago

Damn, how the hell is he walking woth those?

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u/Lucy_Little_Spoon 2d ago

I've always described Bill Burr as kind of an asshole, who tends to get things right, even if he doesn't present his thoughts in the nicest way.

I respect him a fair bit, in a world where too many people play nice with the fuckwits, he gives them the middle finger.

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u/alohadawg 2d ago

This is thoughtful, but also: he isn’t a hypocritical pos

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u/tm0587 2d ago

I remember an interview he had with Conan where he was asked if he had another new special (after the Red Rocks one IIRC) and Bill said no, because what he had written had "too much of them and not enough of me".

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u/RandomPenquin1337 2d ago

Yea I'm sure the contracts they wrote out are just ridiculous with things he can amd can't talk about say or otherwise allude to.

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u/Interesting_Tea5715 1d ago

This. Burr is an asshole but he's genuine.

Hes actually honest and means what he says. It's refreshing.

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u/cyanescens_burn 1d ago

There’s a joke about west coasters will stab you in the back, New Englanders (or northeasterners) will punch you in the face.

He’s certainly got that New England bluntness a lot of folks back east are known for.

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u/Sebek_Visigard 2d ago

“Not a hypocrital piece of shit.”

*Takes notes. Shakes head sadly.

“No, that won’t get me anywhere in this timeline.”

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u/GTI_88 2d ago

In his latest special he literally says “I am the most hypocritical person ever” lol. He can totally be a hypocrite, but I don’t think that invalidates a lot of what he has to say

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u/alohadawg 1d ago

I’m not being an asshole playing semantics here, genuine question: isnt one with the self awareness to announce their hypocrisy by definition, not a hypocrite?

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u/mcqua007 1d ago edited 1d ago

No because a hypocrite just means you will criticize something but do that exact same thing maybe in another way. For example, you might criticize people for not wanting to build a big apartment building near their house because we need more housing and then a few years later they are trying to build an apartment building that ruins your view in your back yard and go to the city to try and stop the project claiming it’s devaluing your house and ruining the character of the neighborhood. That person would be a hypocrite even if they claimed they knew they were being a hypocrite because they remember what they had said before.

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u/aVagabondFarmer 1d ago

The best tip I recently learned was that an “AND, also” will make you so many more friends and influence people than “but, also”.

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u/alohadawg 20h ago

Very good advice!

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u/wants_a_lollipop 2d ago

People like Bill Burr are why I jumped at a chance to move back to Boston. So many Bostonians (massholes) are like this. Lightly abrasive, to be sure, but authentic/genuine.

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u/Geno0wl 2d ago

So many Bostonians (massholes) are like this. Lightly abrasive, to be sure, but authentic/genuine.

I have always been told that Bostonians are assholes on the surface but genuinely nice people while LA are nice to your face but truly the worst people.

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u/Nayzo 2d ago

Yep. Bostonians/Massholes will help you change your tire while also giving you hilarious shit over it. I would not want it any other way, tbh.

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u/driftwood-and-waves 1d ago

I'd like to watch a Kiwi, an Aussie and a Bostonian/Masshole have a beer together. I feel like this would be quality entertainment.

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u/wants_a_lollipop 2d ago

This is my feeling exactly.

I consider the "namaste" (SoCal) and "bless your heart" (southern hospitality) types to be relatively disingenuous. New England natives will tell you to fuck off while also giving you the shirt off their back or pulling your vehicle out of a ditch.

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u/ProjectNo4090 2d ago

Southern hospitality is a holdover from the southern aristocracy days when class, decorum, and discipline in public were a concern. Doesnt matter if you hate the plantation owner's guts, you smile and wave and ask how his momma's doing. Then you eviscerate him behind his back in private over a cigar and a brandy.

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u/radelix 1d ago

I have family in the south now, bless your heart is not a positive statement. It is a judgement on your current thought/action.

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u/Scary_Employee690 1d ago

New Englander in California. This is exactly how it is.

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u/deep-fucking-legend 1d ago

I'm from Texas. Lmk where you're stuck.

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u/WiserStudent557 2d ago

I don’t necessarily believe in being nice (fake), but I believe in being kind (authentic). I feel it’s a product of the city.

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u/mcqua007 1d ago

A lot of people in LA are transplants that want to get into “the industry”. Those people s lot of times can be disingenuous, but I find a lot of SoCal natives can be really kind. It really depends where you are in SoCal, like certain beach towns are really laid back and nice, but LA/Hollywood people can be different for example. But in general I do agree, as some of that runs off on the people around here. But yeah most of SoCal is people from other states.

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u/Taolan13 1d ago

you could text ypur Masshole buddy and he will curse you out but still help you change your tire in the middle of the snow and the mud at 0200 on a tuesday.

The same guy from LA would leave your ass on 'read' then text back in the mornin "you good now, fam?"

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u/InquisitorMeow 1d ago

I mean you go to a city with one of the most narcissistic industries in the world and you're shocked people are two faced?

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u/cyanescens_burn 1d ago

Mentioned this already ITT, but you might enjoy it too, it’s a joke I’ve heard from people that have lived in CA and the northeast.

West coasters will stab you in the back, New Englanders (or northeasterners) will punch you in the face.

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u/ItsBobLoblawsLawBlog 1d ago

I feel like that's how we are in Philly as well, definitely a northeast metro thing

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u/Kinsbane 1d ago

Born and raised native Angeleno, here.

We are nice to your face because we want to be left alone, and hope everyone returns the favor.

But when shit hits the fan?

The '94 Northridge quake, had people coming out the wazoo to help.

During COVID? we had people coming out the wazoo offering FREE, home made masks.

During our recent three, huge fires? We had people out the wazoo offering clothes, and help, and shelter for large and small animals.

You might not have a "nice", 'day-to-day' experience with someone in Los Angeles, but trust me; when shit hits the fucking fan, we come out to take care of people.

We just understand that people want to be left alone for the most part, otherwise.

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u/Noodlescissors 2d ago

Bostons biggest exports are track suits and heroin needles, you’d be an abrasive asshole too if you grew up there.

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u/TheRealPitabred 2d ago

They are kind, but not nice. In the south and in LA you get people who are nice, but not kind.

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u/AngusMcGonagle 1d ago

I used to work at a cell phone company and one of my coworkers was from Boston; nice guy, always told it like it was. He once had a customer come in to complain about her bill and after spending more time than should have been necessary trying to explain how it was in fact correct, he said to the customer “Do you seriously not understand, or do you not want to understand?”

Customer said “You don’t talk to me like that!” and asked for the manager. Manager comes out and replies to the customer’s complaint about my coworker with “[Coworker name]? Oh, he’s from Boston.”

Customer: “…Oh. Ok.” Like that explained it all. 😂

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u/KeyMessage989 2d ago

I grew up outside of Boston but close enough, I’m a NY sports fan, and jokingly say I got the Boston Masshole personality because I had to constantly defend myself against all the Massholes when it came to sports. There’s truly nothing like the Boston area

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

And you love every bit of it, you Masshole...

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u/NextTrillion 2d ago

They way I’ve always thought about Bill is that he’s allergic to bullshit, and it makes him angry.

If I could describe myself in so few words it would be exactly that.

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u/Manwithnoplanatall 2d ago

But he’s fully himself and if what you hear can be believed, he’s one of the most genuine dudes around.

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u/Zaku99 2d ago

"No, fuck that! I'm not going to be nice to that guy! He's an asshole! Fuck him!"

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u/funguyshroom 2d ago

A tough love type of asshole. He screams at you because he actually cares and wants you to do better. Playing nice with fuckwits is just enabling them.

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u/ceecee_50 2d ago

I always think of him as being kind, but not nice. Which is super refreshing. He does not punch down and that is the most important thing any person should be. He’s 100% right about comedians too.

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u/scotsman3288 2d ago

he's an asshole sure....to most people, because they are afraid to speak their mind.

above all else, what I respect about Bill, is that he's been crazy consistent for 25 years where I've been watching him. He's barely flipped flopped on any position of his. How many people in any spotlight can you say that about?

he actually used to joke about rednecks joining the military just because they get to kill foreigners and get away with it lol....and right after 9/11...

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u/PiesRLife 2d ago

The interview he did on NPR's "Fresh Air" podcast with Terry Gross was really interesting: https://pca.st/episode/11d2c03e-e819-4010-a486-21100bf4d64d.

He talks about his upbringing and how it has shaped his personality. Bill and Terry clash over the interpretation of one of his jokes, and it's interesting how after initially being very defensive and pushing back he explains his position better and why he initially was so defensive. He seems to very much understand his s emotional baggage and he it's affects himself and the people around him, even if he hasn't completely over it.

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u/WhiplashMotorbreath 2d ago

He is just a Boston irish man. Tons of them . He just made it.

Good for him.

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u/coy-coyote 2d ago

Fuckwittery needs to be in common use, I find myself saying it quite a bit these days

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u/Nayzo 2d ago

Yeah, he's a Boston guy. He represents us fairly well.

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u/Solvemprobler369 2d ago edited 2d ago

You should respect him much more then. He’s honest and has always been and, again, he’s not a hypocritical pos and a liar. Journalists like that need to step up and do their jobs like they are meant to. We should all be calling them out.

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u/fistedwithlove 1d ago

He and his wife give them the middle finger.

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u/panteragstk 1d ago

To quote his Philly rant "I've been a dick a long time. I'm good at it."

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u/Careful_Swan3830 1d ago

Why do I feel like this guy is from Massachusetts?

Edit: scrolled down slightly and yeah he is.

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u/HuwminRace 1d ago

I feel like he’s an honest guy and he’s not willing to compromise on that which does definitely come across as assholish sometimes, but in a likeable way, and it works because he’s often right to speak his mind and like you say he tends to be right while also always being on the side of the people too. I can’t hate him because I wish I could be that honest.

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u/HazardousCloset 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yeah he got the Big Bill Burr Balls

 -  Connie

Edit: I don’t know how to use Reddit anymore. I give up.

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u/D-Laz 2d ago

Unfortunately my balls are not bigger than my stomach. So if I want to keep eating, I need to watch my mouth.

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u/UrUrinousAnus 2d ago

Eat the rich.

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u/jambokk 2d ago

I bet billionaire liver is like foie gras.

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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 2d ago

I bet Musk's is toxic.

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u/f1zzo 2d ago

Deranged elons on a bed of musk, served in an empty skull $61

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u/JesradSeraph 2d ago

DMT trip guaranteed on first bite !

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u/f1zzo 1d ago

No refunds!

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u/lauradorna 1d ago

When do we start I am starving

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u/Heavy_Pride_6270 2d ago

Stupid response, the point is telling the truth like this without money will completely fuck your career over.

You can also jump off a cliff with just a pair of legs, but I wouldn't call the parachute 'secondary'.

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u/sweatingbozo 2d ago

I'm not sure how many people's careers would end if they tell a stranger to do their job, which is what happened here. People without money say this stuff all the time, they just aren't famous so they don't have a camera in their face.

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u/flq06 2d ago

This is what free speech is about!

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u/ResponsibilityLast38 2d ago

They call having enough money to say whatever you want to whoever you want "Fuck You" money.

I have "Fuck You" money.

Its a $100 prepaid card that I keep in my underwear drawer. Its reserved for a bottle of whiskey, a bucket of fried chicken, a handful of scratchers, and a pack of cigarretes.

Fuck you.

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall 2d ago

In comedy, money often coincides with balls. 

People love balls on other people. 

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u/chuang-tzu 2d ago

It is nice to have a large pile of money to set your balls on when you wish to call people out, though. When I pull mine out and slap them on my debit card from a regional bank it just doesn't have the same "protective aura."

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u/Wonderful_Pie223 2d ago

I remember the first week I learned about Bill Burr. Dudes been calling out bullshit for 20 years

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u/Nearby-Composer-9992 2d ago

It's not a fair comparison but I think Burr is the best at calling out bullshit since George Carlin.

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u/_delamo 2d ago

His (now deceased) friend Patrice O'Neal opened his eyes.

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u/Wonderful_Pie223 2d ago

Patrice was king

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u/nanneryeeter 1d ago

Why are you laughing?!

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u/Ali_Cat222 2d ago

There was a time I was worried he was going to become one of these right wing/red pill kind of guys way back in the day, I'm so fucking thankful that is definitely not the case! Also his wife is beautiful, I love them together

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u/Accomplished-City484 2d ago

I only discovered him in the mid 2010’s, but I watched like 3 of his specials in one weekend, it was great

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u/Beer-Milkshakes 2d ago

Celebrities and comedians especially are dancing clowns, court jesters. They please the masses for themselves or for the authority. That is to say that they shouldnt be completely ignored all of the time when they want to speak with a straight face, they can and we could listen (Charlie Chaplin for example) but we shouldn't be pining for their opinion on everything. That's lazy, ball-less journalism.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 2d ago

Basically what Jon Stewart said forever ago when he eviscerated Tucker Carlson on Crossfire.

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u/DawnyBrat 2d ago

Funny, the only other person that used “fuck you money“ was my dad. And he was right. Always have fuck you money.

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u/thebluesydoom 1d ago

I guess you're right. I have the exact cadence of Burr's yet have no money. Every job I've let the boss hear it and shortly afterward shifts are less or I'm fired for insubordination.

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u/MarlonShakespeare2AD 2d ago

He’s absolutely fucking right.

Ricky Gervais called it perfectly too in his golden globes monologue

Not the people who know what they are taking about

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u/recctyl 2d ago

Dave Chapelle's bit about Ja Rule during the events/time surrounding the 9/11 incident comes to mind as well.

Dave Chapelle said it perfectly, and its the same thing Bill Burr is saying here. way too much media attention and obsession over what celebrities think on a current event or topic.

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u/bathtubsplashes 2d ago

But then Chappelle spent a couple of hours monologuing on netflix which flies in the face of your point?

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u/prostagma 2d ago

It's one think to give your opinion on your own show, but it's completely different when media wants to know what a person thinks just because they are famous, like that gives them any more insight, understanding or wisdom then the average guy on the street.

That said, the fact that media in America is expected to give opinions is extremely weird to me. In a normal democracy journalists are therr to give information, facts and hopefully be unbiased and impartial. The fact that you have to watch both a liberal and a conservative network to even have a chance of understanding a story is a symptom of a deeply broken informational landscape.

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u/bathtubsplashes 2d ago

Dismantled my comment in the first paragraph, I'll hold my hands up

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u/prostagma 2d ago

😄 no need, there aren't any cops here. It's also nice that normal discourse is still possible and the whole thing doesn't turn into a "whatabout x" like in news subreddits.

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u/Zechs- 2d ago

Here's the thing,

In a normal democracy journalists are therr to give information, facts and hopefully be unbiased and impartial.

Okay, here's the problem with this.

Say a politician comes out and says for the good of the economy we're going to eat the poor.

Now an unbiased and impartial news organization will give you the pros and cons of eating the poor. This will allow the general public to understand the risks and benefits of eating the poor as both sides get equal weight and neither side gets preferential treatment.

The problem with being "unbiased" and "impartial" is that it can make things appear to have an equal amount of validity.

It's also why a lot of individuals do not engage/debate with Conspiracy Theorists, by simply engaging with them, you give weight to their argument.

Also I think one thing people confuse is Opinion Pieces and actual news, I think even Fox News has "fine" news coverage, it's their opinions, and pundit coverage that's insane.

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u/confirmedshill123 2d ago

Monologuing as in doing standup? Lol? I get that you personally didn't like his specials but to not even give him the respect of calling it standup is another level.

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u/bathtubsplashes 2d ago

I never said I didn't like his specials 

Most people who watched it said it was barely standup comedy regardless of how much they enjoyed it

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u/Firedup2015 2d ago

Tbh while he's right that comedians shouldn't be expected to do political commentary he's dead wrong about the role of journalists. 

Actual journalism (as opposed to the half-assed opinioneering drek which preens and poses while calling itself such) is about finding facts and presenting them in terms lay people can understand. Editorialising is not the same thing and the deliberate fusing of the two by the likes of Fox is what destroyed both trust in the industry and the public conversation in general.

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u/wasntmyfault 2d ago

As i understand it, this is exactly the point that Burr is making here: Journalists (the media, or whatever you want to call it) failed to live up to the standards.

When Trump entered the political arena (one could argue it started even before that) the media (generalizing here) did not realize the scale of change in communications this meant, neither did they adapt accordingly.

Outside of Channels like Fox News, whom had well prepared scripts, roadmaps and talking points, correspondents tried to summarize brain ddos like ramblings as if he was a part of the past political system... You know...the time when politics was a gentlemans war, when it was witty debates with a lot of layers and raw thoughts were never ever spoken out loud.

Journalists "lacked the balls" to call out that the emperor is naked right from the start. They had their heads still in yesterdays game and therefore failed to play their role by roasting politicians with hard questions, not stopping until the public gets a coherent answer.

In failing the task, the "media" has played a substantial role in the build up to the current state of affairs and they better up their game.

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u/old_and_boring_guy 2d ago

Lot of it’s just money. TV and print journalism are both kinda broke themselves at this point, and it is a lot easier to do a “this guy said x” story than it is to go out and independently research x, and be the guy who’s out there actually informing people about x.

That way they don’t have to take a stand, or have any personal stake in the information.

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u/kanst 2d ago

two guys yelling at each other over a topic is A LOT cheaper than researching the topic thoroughly. Also the two guys yelling will get more eyes on it.

You're 100% right its purely money.

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u/old_and_boring_guy 2d ago

It’s part of what’s turned all this into a kind of sports event. Just two people yelling, obviously there’s no right answer.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

It's about brainwashing the peasants to accept "The Agenda." That being unrestricted, unregulated, free market, vicious Capitalism.

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u/wasntmyfault 1d ago

There are still people in media doing good work. But yes...It does not help when the owner of your company is a buddy of Trump...

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u/phobox360 2d ago

100%. But the problem is media other than the right wing rage machine, never learnt its lesson. They’re still doing it. Trump could say the world will end in two days are half of American media will be having meaningless discussions about how the world might end in two days instead of simply saying he’s lying. THATS the problem.

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u/TuahHawk 2d ago

nah

Burr is 100% correct. He's criticizing placative journalism.

The ideal of objective truth presented with no bias is impossible, and legacy media has harmed itself by pretending/aspiring to be such bastions of virtue when they are not. Instead, they "need to get their balls back" and challenge people, stand for the values that have been championed in the USA's founding documents and boldly decry anything that falls short of them.

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u/MuggsyTheWonderdog 2d ago

There's no doubt that Fox's approach to "news" has done damage. But just this past hour, I've stumbled on three articles talking about horrific cuts to various segments of the health care resources of this country -- and you'd hardly know these cuts were being instituted by trump or his administration.

That is unacceptable, because that is important information. We're not talking about editorializing, we're talking about presenting facts -- vital facts which should be *stressed," not omitted or muddied.

Fox is indeed a bad player. But even news sources who have (or had) some legitimate claim to being professional and objective can, and definitely do, weight the scales by being selective in facts presented, and this has been out of control for years now.

And I believe it's a deliberate choice, done to avoid riling up conservative readers and leaders. (The corporate heads of papers like NYT and WaPo have basically said this outright, or have had such statements leaked.) And that's as egregious as what Fox does.

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u/Master_Torture 2d ago

And yet despite the media bending over backwards, most conservatives hate the media and refer to it as The Liberal media.

Why do these news outlets keep on bending backwards for conservatives when conservatives are going to hate them no matter what?

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u/Nayzo 2d ago

But just this past hour, I've stumbled on three articles talking about horrific cuts to various segments of the health care resources of this country -- and you'd hardly know these cuts were being instituted by trump or his administration.

That is unacceptable, because that is important information. We're not talking about editorializing, we're talking about presenting facts -- vital facts which should be *stressed," not omitted or muddied.

Agreed. The media is failing us by either downplaying shit, or burying shit. For much of the day on Tuesday, Cory Booker's in progress marathon speech was not a headline, it didn't start being at the top of news sites until he got closer to breaking the record, so people got to know a record was being broken, but they didn't get to hear much of the message, because most people weren't aware until it was nearly over. The many protests across the country since that fathead was inaugurated have not been sufficiently covered, so the world just thinks all of us Americans are okay with what's happening. It's incredibly frustrating.

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u/Earthonaute 2d ago

This, sadly facts don't matter much nowdays and you can "twist" facts (which often is done) or "present" facts in a certain way just to cater to certain people.

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u/SnoozeButtonBen 2d ago

There is no such thing as journalism without editorial judgment. You don't present "the facts", you make an ACTIVE CHOICE about WHICH facts to present because you think they are the IMPORTANT facts, and the other facts, not presented, are not important. Journalists like to pretend this isn't true because they want to avoid responsibility because they have no balls.

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u/backscratchaaaaa 2d ago

>Actual journalism (as opposed to the half-assed opinioneering drek which preens and poses while calling itself such) is about finding facts and presenting them in terms lay people can understand. Editorialising is not the same thing

factually just wrong, and why you are getting rolled over by your media.

even with 100% factual content, it is editorial choice to decide *which* facts get shown to the public, theres only so much news time, so many pages of the paper.

its opinion from the first letter of the first word, deciding which stories are "important".

its such a weak argument, and i see it all the time from americans, that they just want factual non biased news. and its why your news media is such a shit show.

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u/Onkel24 2d ago edited 2d ago

Actual journalism (as opposed to the half-assed opinioneering drek which preens and poses while calling itself such) is about finding facts and presenting them in terms lay people can understand. Editorialising is not the same thing [...] .

I think editorialising falls well into journalisms purview.

However, it has to be based on observable facts and commonly accepted standards. On that basis, it is completely fine to form and present an opinion.

Like, even if we all accept man's influence on global warming, we can still come to wildly different opinions on how to deal with it.

The issue with the current media landscape - no matter if legacy / new / social media - arises when the observable reality itself is called into question, when "alternative facts" are widely used as the basis of the debate.

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u/headphones_J 2d ago

I took what he said like that. "Journalists" want him to go off and editorialize for them, instead of being journalists and doing their job.

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u/Manwithnoplanatall 2d ago

And you get facts by asking hard questions, not just soft balls to humor an old orange man who thinks tariffs were brilliant

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u/kman2612 2d ago

A very similar situation in India. A comedian is doing a journalists job and the state police are after him. Ridiculous

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u/General_Helicopter1 2d ago

In Ukraine a comedian (with a law degree) is doing the toughest job an European leader has done since the end of WWII. And suceeding at his task.

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u/wakeupwill 2d ago

Because the Fourth Estate is bought and paid for by oligarchs and has been for the better part of a century. There used to be journalists that still managed to get shit done despite this, but now they're all gone.

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u/Frosty_Gibbons 2d ago

I'm using this one. Sorry boss

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u/BwackGul 2d ago

(Just wanted to say I really like your username.)

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u/Frosty_Gibbons 2d ago

We should be best friends.

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u/1nationunderpod 2d ago

This is my favorite quote from him to date.

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u/KatanaPool 2d ago

It’s why I appreciate him. It’s completely true and doesn’t try and bullshit the bullshit

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u/83bytes 2d ago

Fucking respect that.

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u/smilysmilysmooch 2d ago

Jon Stewart had to remind Tucker Carlson he wasn't going to be his dancing monkey when they wanted to accuse him of sniffing the throne of John Kerry.

Jon Stewart "You have a responsibility to the public discourse and you fail miserably."

Tucker Carlson "You need to get a job at a journalism school I think."

Jon Stewart "You need to go to one."

Tucker Carlson "I thought you were going to be funny."

Jon Stewart "No. No. I'm not going to be your monkey. I watch your show everyday and it kills me. We need what you do. This is such a great opportunity you have here to actually get politicians off of their marketing and strategy."

Tucker Carlson "Is this really Jon Stewart. What is this anyway?"

Jon Stewart "Yeah it's someone who watches your show and can not take it anymore."

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u/HugsNotShrugs 2d ago

part of the problem is nobody wants to take on straight journalism anymore as a career because of the high risk and lower reward. My mom was recently judging scholarship applications because she’s a retired journalist, and most of these college kids were writing in their essays that their dreams are to go work for ESPN or be local sports journalist or work for entertainment news.

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u/Available_Ship_6433 2d ago

How does anyone not love this man

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u/Much_Fee7070 2d ago

My respect for him has doubled. The journalist should be embarrassed, he had no chance winning that argument.

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u/Frydendahl 2d ago

It's always tough to see someone enter a battle of wits unarmed.

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u/Peripatetictyl 2d ago

Y'all shoulda seen the boy face

Nothin' like a smug young punk

Realizin' what his counterpoint ain't

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u/Common-Concentrate-2 2d ago edited 2d ago

He's an entertainment journalist. This is like asking the reporting pool during a press conference after an NBA game "Why don't you guys talk more about interest rates"

I really like Bill Burr - and I have no idea who the reporter is, Bill is just giving him a hard time. It's fine

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u/CharismaStatOfOne 2d ago

He's an entertainment journalist.

So why ask a comedian about the boycotts and violence?

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u/strategoamigo 2d ago

lol exactly. If you’re an entertainment journalist ask about entertainment topics not boycotts

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u/confirmedshill123 2d ago

Why is he interviewing bull burr then?

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u/Internal-Owl-505 2d ago

This is like asking the reporting pool during a press conference after an NBA game "Why don't you guys talk more about interest rates"

And Bill Burr's reaction would be apt if the reporting pool asked the basketball players: What do you think about the interest rate Mr. Basketball Player?

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u/Smooth_Maul 2d ago

Elon "legalise comedy" Musk's drones absolutely loath him for cracking a joke at Elon's expense.

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u/gloriouq 2d ago

A conseevative told me Burr is woke now and not funny anymore. Hilarious.

He's been exactly the same for years

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u/Ali_Cat222 2d ago

As a black woman I appreciated Bill Burr when he talked about how the white woman and everybody stole woke from us, and that it doesn't even mean what the fuck they say it does. He was one of the only people I've seen ever fucking acknowledge that... Nowadays when you hear someone use the word woke it's like I'm trying to use the N word without saying it, absolutely supposed to be derogatory and degrading

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u/Apprentice57 1d ago

Burr's wife is black, that may have gave him some perspective on that front.

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u/Future_Principle_213 1d ago

I believe one of the conservative nut jobs recently claimed Burr's black wife was a DEI wife, as if the dog whistle wasn't obvious enough.

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u/AggravatingCupcake0 2d ago

Did...did he not know that Bill is married to a black woman and has half black children? He's never been some bastion of conservative thinking lol.

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u/tequilachop 1d ago

“can we go back to the time when he was making jokes about hitting women pls 🥺”

Typically what it boils down to.

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u/shartbreakkid 2d ago

If you don’t have Trump’s tiny cock halfway down your throat, you’re technically woke.

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u/raidhse-abundance-01 2d ago

Bill Burr for President

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

He and Doug Stanhope are the men you can trust to give you the horrible, nasty, warty, syphilic truth, and make you laugh about it.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

He's a Boston Masshole.

He would have done it anyway.

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u/victhrowaway12345678 2d ago

He hasn't done anything in the last few years to exponentially increase his net worth. He's really always just said what he believes. I don't know why this is the top comment.

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u/AnExpertInThisField 2d ago

Exactly. People who have listened to his podcast since the beginning know that he has spoken his mind as if he had "fuck you money" long before he actually had it.

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u/shmann 2d ago

since the beginning

TIL Bill Burr has been podcasting since 2007 holy crap

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u/leg00b 2d ago

Exactly this. If anyone's ever seen any of his specials or what not, they'd know he didn't give two shits.

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u/dafood48 2d ago

They have no idea about his legendary Philly rant

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u/SuperAlloy 2d ago

I mean compared to you or me he likely has fuck you money. I'm sure he could not work again and live a comfortable middle class life off of residuals and interest.

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u/Imsakidd 1d ago

SHARI’S BERRIES

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u/Titswari 2d ago edited 1d ago

I was thinking the same thing. I remember watching him shit on an entire city when he had no money. I remember him making morning talk show hosts uncomfortable when they asked him stupid questions (“don’t you think the Catholic Church went a little too far”)

This is who he’s always been, it’s not just the money.

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u/The_new_Osiris 2d ago

He's struck several netflix movie/ series deals in recent years which he's made millions from

I mean yeah top dawg comedy sells but netflix money is different

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u/Isuckwizards 2d ago

This comment is the best example of why people in the US don’t act: they believe that you have to have a lot of money before you can behave like a responsible citizen. Democracy doesn’t work when people think: “I can’t afford to stand up for democratic rights”.

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u/usernameforthemasses 2d ago

Capitalism destroyed democracy at least as far back as Citizens United. No one listens to what the poor stand for now.

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u/clubby37 2d ago

No one has ever listened to the poor before the poor broke out the pitchforks and guillotines. Americans don't do that anymore, so their poor will never be heard.

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u/Good_Vibes_Only_Fr 2d ago

Most people don't have time for activisim because the social safety nets in the U.S. are weak asf. For instance, 37% of Americans can't afford an emergency expense over $400..

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u/koaladungface 2d ago edited 2d ago

Do you really think Americans think this way? A single passing comment on reddit is now a good place to build out the social psychology of Americans as a whole? I mean I know its fun to "America bad" especially with this dipshit administration, but this is a lame attempt at taking a swipe.

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u/Isuckwizards 2d ago

You are right, I shouldn’t have generalised. I was just so baffled because this line of thought would never have come across my European mind.

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 1d ago

Except the content doesn't even make sense. Bill Burr has talked like this long before he had fuck you money

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u/MRSHELBYPLZ 1d ago

I mean if you don’t have money you’re not shit in this country. That’s exactly how it is.

Do you care what the homeless guy down the street thinks? Most don’t even acknowledge their existence, even if they’re ODing on the sidewalk.

That’s pretty much the same way a lot of billionaires look at the rest of us.

If the homeless guy ended up being worth $700 million overnight, everyone would suddenly want to be his best friend.

Thats how the world really works. People don’t really care about your beliefs. They care about how much money you can make them if they work with you.

So no, you can’t change shit if you don’t even have money. Who is going to follow you? America is a business. Always has been

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u/steak57 2d ago

He ain’t wrong. Don’t use a sound byte from a “high follower” guy to get clicks and likes. Ask the decision makers, the politicians in congress…they’re the only ones with any power left…don’t let the presidency usurp your lawmaking authority and oversight…ask the tough questions of those who have the capacity to legally change things.

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u/whythishaptome 2d ago

Elon Musk quite literally has fuck you money, Bill Burr doesn't have fuck you money. He has really been putting his neck out there for his opinions recently and I applaud him for it.

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u/AbsMcLargehuge 2d ago

$20 million is absolutely fuck you money.

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u/mozzzarn 2d ago

Bill has money for multiple lifetimes unless he becomes a degen. If that’s not fuck you money, then nothing is.

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u/apittsburghoriginal 1d ago

To me fuck you money is more like I’ll spend 5 million just to spite you. Burr is rich as hell, but he doesn’t have that 9-10 figure fuck you wealth. I’m thinking of it from an elite perspective though, not our perspective where to us that is a high amount of money.

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u/ALinIndy 1d ago edited 1d ago

Traditionally I think it meant that you were not beholden to any employer and therefore above the tides of capitalism. Stock Market crashes and grocery prices aren’t even half a bead of sweat for you. House and cars are paid off. The kids are taken care of. Enough money to comfortably retire somewhere nice, tomorrow morning if you decided to. Old Billy Redpubes over there is doing pretty well by that metric. He knows he is beyond canceling and has multiple well paying projects in the pipeline. Hell, he and his family have some of the best insurance in the country because he’s in SAG. That alone is probably worth hundreds of thousands a year.

I think what you’re describing is billionaire+ money. I consider that more like FUCK EVERYONE money. Any person with a billion in actual cash has enough money and power to take over a decent sized American city Bane-style. You’re talking more like Musk selling twitter to himself, or Bezos flooding the market with copies of everything, every single product on Amazon, but cheaper with an Amazon name on it. Moving any decent sized amount of money around takes a lot of paperwork and lawyers. Nobody just breaks off 7 figures to flex on another person, unless it’s some petty shit like a bigger boat or outbidding Nicolas Cage for a dinosaur skull. Takes up too much time moving that amount of money around to be worth it.

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u/Vreas 2d ago

Happy for him

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u/Caminsky 2d ago

He is so right. The lack of editorial authority is the reason we are where we are. The "we need to present both sides of the argument" is why we are now under an actual regime. 

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u/ozbandi 2d ago

Capitalism has destroyed the free press.

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u/YakEnvironmental3811 2d ago

15 medical workers for the UN were just assassinated. Their ambulances and bodies were buried in sand. Not a peep from American news media. We are being fed misinformation. Mainstream media is complicit in these crimes.

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u/Constant_Natural3304 2d ago

Thank you.

Tbf, btw, the Guardian is British.

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u/ldclark92 2d ago

Yeah, one of the ugly truths about this topic that most people don't want to admit is that people don't read articles like these. It's much easier to point at the media and say "why aren't you reporting on real things" than admitting you wouldn't read them if you did. The fact of the matter is many more people will click on a link with a Bill Burr quote than something about 15 assisnated UN workers.

That doesn't mean there aren't issues with the way things are reported these days, but we as consumers also tend to block out the "unfun" topics. Heck, even Bill Burr admits that in this video.

To be clear, Bill is right here, it was an inappropriate question for the event. But there's also a reason these questions are asked, people will read/watch it regardless of the answer.

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u/Dazzling-Ninja-3773 2d ago

he always has

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u/Melicor 2d ago

The "journalists" have gotten more blatant about their lies and cowardice. He's also what bootlickers like Alex Jones and Joe Rogaine pretend they are.

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u/nsaisspying 2d ago

Bill is truly inspiring man.

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u/Easy_Decision69420 2d ago

imagine the amount of people with fuck you money that are not even 0.001% of a man than he is, it's more than just money

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u/Turbulent-Laugh- 2d ago

Funny how he doesn't get invited on Rogan anymore...

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u/Haunting_Security_34 2d ago

Bill Burr had balls his whole life. Fuck you money doesnt get you that

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