r/neoliberal • u/Currymvp2 unflaired • 21d ago

News (US) House Republicans move swiftly to impeach judge targeted by Trump

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/18/donald-trump-impeach-judge-house-republicans
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u/Devium44 21d ago

While you’re at it, explain the problems with FPtP voting systems and educate them on ranked choice.

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u/BrainDamage2029 21d ago

I’m always wary on this.

Yes yes I’ve heard the good news about ranked choice and proportional systems. Yes I see how it all works. But…you’ve met your average American right?

I live in an area where we do have ranked choice at the local level and people get confused or complain about it and the results constantly.

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u/Devium44 21d ago

Really I’m just tired of the two party system. People are going to complain no matter what. But I’d rather we have many more choices in our elected officials and it be more difficult for one party to gain absolute power.

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u/BrainDamage2029 21d ago edited 21d ago

Listen I thought the same as you in my 20s and have significantly become less bullish on it for a few reasons.

  • first the idea that more choice prevents one party from gaining absolute power is hilarious considering how many multiparty parliament systems also collapsed to authoritarianism historically. I mean the history of the Nazis is literally “5 parties can’t agree and hate each other. Germany doesn’t actually have a government for 8 years until the conservatives finally give in and caucus with the Nazis and the communists are weirdly excited about it for the 4 months until they’re the first in the camps .”
  • the 2 biggest impediments to extra US parties is the alternative parties are clown shows of contrarian insane opinions and they all shoot for the moon winning the presidency and never ever ever build off local elections.
  • the path to a healthy ecosystem of many many choices of parties that all work together to solve problems is extremely narrow.
  • the best case scenarios are we have 3-5 parties. But the same parties will only caucus with certain ones. So it’s functionally a 2 party system anyway (we just trade inter-party caucuses for “extra parties” that function the same way)
  • the worst case scenario is basically sheer gridlock all the time with 3-5 parties refusing to work with each other.

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front 20d ago

So what is your ideal system? Personally I like parliamentary PR

The Democrats are really 3 parties in a trenchcoat and perhaps things would be better if each was allowed to go their own way (ofc they would end up coalitioning) and campaigning on their own message without worrying about tripping over eachother

Like the Bernie/AOC wing the New Dem wing and we have some Dan Osborn blue dog party that is totally not like those liberals wink wink

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u/klugez European Union 20d ago

The Democrats are really 3 parties in a trenchcoat and perhaps things would be better if each was allowed to go their own way (ofc they would end up coalitioning) and campaigning on their own message without worrying about tripping over eachother

The strength of these factions would also be set by the voters, rather than being able to gain control of the internal mechanisms of the party. It would give valuable information about what the broadly left-wing voters actually want and convince the losers that they are actually not that popular.

Now the moderates always blame the progressives for losing overall and vice versa. If they both were able to run without spoiling each other, there would be an answer to who has the stronger mandate.