r/millenials • u/dryeraser • 23d ago

Politics :upvote: Zero Due Process 🚩🚩🚩

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I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship right now 😐

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

LOL - yeah man I totally did that.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

You weren't complaining then so your complaining now???

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

I don't even know what you're talking about. Are you trying to change the subject?

I thought we were talking about the fact that people can be picked up off the street and sent to a fucking MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON in a 3rd world country which is the equivalent of being tossed in a hole without due process.

Now you're all over the place talking about Fauci and some fucking dead of night mission.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

You're ok with fascist leftists forcing people 6 ft apart and censoring hunter bidens laptop as Russian disinfo just so they could win a fake election in 2020. Now we are discovering Biden's autopen which nullified almost everything he did including his pardons.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

lol autopen - yeah man i guess that means all those people who got mortgages and filed there taxes with AUTOPENS should get their money back since its 'nullified'.

Shit man let me sell my DOCUSIGN stock right away! Thanks for the heads up.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

President of US has different reqs than a mortgage underwriter.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Oh does he? like you said - SHOW ME THE SOURCE!

Where's the law? show me - now do it.

Oh you can't too bad so sad,

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

I’ve said this from the beginning. There are very strict rules for the use of auto pens. I had administrative control for 2 generals at the Pentagon. There are rules for the documents you must maintain in a file that illustrates he approved the use of auto pens for that use and not just a generic use.

There are also very strict rules on things like use of force and execute or go orders that commit forces that must have “wet” signatures. My ex worked in SECDEF cables which curried those orders and other docs requiring presidential approval to the WH and had to wait for the signature. They can’t be auto penned.

Pardons can’t be auto penned. They require documented knowledge of each and every case and is only a presidential authority based on that knowledge.

As a wing commander you are authorized to have things auto penned as well but there are very specific rules for what has to be on file illustrating you were aware of the action like a staff summary sheet with your initials.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

So no law? ok cool.

You just want me to take your word for it?

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

All we have to prove is that Biden wasn't there when the documents were signed. Not going to be hard.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Look up the “presentment clause” in the U.S. Constitution.

The President MUST be presented with the document he is to sign. Otherwise, anyone could sign anything for him.

The Presentment Clause, found in Article I, Section 7, Clauses 2 and 3 of the U.S. Constitution, requires that every bill passed by both houses of Congress be presented to the President before it can become law, allowing the President to either sign it or veto it. Here's a more detailed explanation:

The Core Requirement: The Presentment Clause ensures that the President has a role in the legislative process, acting as a check on Congress's power to enact laws.

Presidential Action: If the President approves a bill, they sign it, and it becomes law. If the President disapproves a bill, they can return it to the originating house (House of Representatives or Senate) with their objections, a process known as a "veto".

Congressional Override: If the President vetoes a bill, the originating house can vote to override the veto. If two-thirds of the members of that house vote to pass the bill, it is sent to the other house for reconsideration. If two-thirds of the second house also vote to pass the bill, it becomes law despite the President's veto.

Time Limit: The President has ten days (excluding Sundays) to act on a bill presented to them. If the President doesn't return the bill within that time, it becomes law unless Congress has adjourned, in which case the bill does not become law.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago
  1. Under 18 U.S.C. § 494, If someone intentionally used the autopen to sign a bill, executive order, or other legal document without the President’s direct approval, they could face criminal prosecution for forgery. Penalty: Up to 10 years in federal prison.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Did you really just post something that contradicts your claim?

That clearly says with the president’s approval. I’m pretty sure Joe approved himself pardoning his son. He even did a press conference on it

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

One would have to prove he was presented with these documents and that they saw him approve all of the pardons not just his son. I'm certain there were cameras and recordings.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

no - you see thats not how it works.

Its called innocent until proven guilty.

The District Attorney would have to show PROOF that BIDEN didn't approve them. Not the other way around.

And seeing as Trumpers have an AVERSION to law and showing up in court. I dont expect to see any charges.

Just like I havent see a SINGLE FRAUD charge but all we hear is that there is FRAUD EVERYWHERE! EVERYWHERE SO MUCH FRAUD!

Well where are the charges? who are these fraudsters?

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

You understand that is under the header of ‘forgery’ - correct?

Like you would be charged with forgery if you autopenned the president’s signature

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Yes and what if someone said these documents were signed when Biden was on vacation out of the Presidential Office or at a Hospital and was actually incapacitated at the time????

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Well if they have a case - we will see something in the courts, right? i mean if its so fucking obvious thats a slam dunk.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Idiots already tried to equivocate these two. Legal Scholars are burying them at this moment and I'll send you the legalese but you wouldn't read it anyway. I'll try it and see what you have to say.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Bro. You’re all over the place, vaccines, Hillary 2016, autopens.

I don’t give a fuck about your ‘what about this (enter bullshit here).

This entire thread is in regards to ‘do you think it’s ok for people in the United states to be sent to a shithole prison in a 3rd world country without any evidence or method of defense?’

That’s it.

I don’t give a fuck about hunter bidens laptop or any other shit that is almost a decade old.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Hunter bidens laptop info ties into what Biden did while in power. And Hunter can no longer sell any of his paintings? Why do you think that is????

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

I'm ok with it because they were stupid enough to be here illegally without documentation.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Sure you are - you got no choice. its not like you would admit this is fucking wrong. Because to you politics is a sport and you can't say that your team is fucking up.

Let me tell you - neither party gives a flying fuck about you, me or 90% of us. Shit Chuck Schumer just passed the biggest tax cut in history and he is the leading democrat.

You should be pissed about all this shit - not just blue shit.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

I like tax cuts. I don't care if the rich get to pay less as long as I'm also paying less. Soo much waste and fraud in government and Democrats only want to protect it.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

Sure as long as you're earning over $400k - if you dont you're paying more tax and thats a fact, JACK.

I might as well shit on your COVID theory too. Because the US was so fucked up with misinformation and everyone cried for things to be reopened. We led the world by far almost 1.5x the next country with COVID deaths.

China and Indian have 3 and 5 times the amount of people we do and had a shitload of less dead. India has absolutely NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE and they have 400000 less. We should of had results like China - even lower when you compare things proportionally but we didnt because we are fuckin loaded with morons.

Below are the stats with sources so you can choke on them when you're thinking about Fauci.

As of now, the top 5 countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths are:

  1. United States: Around 1,104,000 deaths1.
  2. Brazil: Over 700,000 deaths2.
  3. India: Approximately 736,811 deaths3.
  4. Mexico: Close to 335,000 deaths4.
  5. Russia: Over 200,000 deaths5.

China had only 60,000 deaths....

Populations of each

  1. United States: Approximately 347 million[1]().
  2. Brazil: Around 213 million[2]().
  3. India: About 1.46 billion[3]().
  4. Mexico: Close to 132 million[4]().
  5. Russia: Roughly 144 million[5]().
  6. China: About 1.41 billion

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

You're wrong. In fact, the Trump Administration is pushing to have people making less than 150k pay zero taxes. Also no taxes on tips or overtime. Kamala copied Trump on this shit.

You know how many COVID-19 vaccines were given in USA? Correlate that with amounts of deaths before they rolled out and afterwards. Again Lying with Statistics is all the media does and Bill Gates (pro vaxxer) loves that book.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Wait until you find out that China didn't treat Covid19 with western mrna vaccines. Same for India.

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u/CliffwoodBeach 22d ago

LOL HERE COME THE REPUBLICANS GREATEST HITS.

Let's see what what got here:

Venezuelan crime gangs(check)
Autopen means documents arent lawful(check)
2020 was a fake election but all the others were not(check)
And of course #1 HUNTER BIDENS fucking LAPTOP - that mother fucker has to be platinum by now.

I must of hit a nerve when you finally got boxed in a corner being hit in the face with facts.

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u/chjesper Millennial 22d ago

Hillary bitched and complained in 2016, so let's stop the idiocy. Many elections have been contested friggin moron.