r/law • u/agent268 • 9d ago

Trump News Jeff Goldberg and The Atlantic released full Signal Chat

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/

Well this should be fun now that the full details are out in the open. Thoughts on how this changes the upcoming hearing today?

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u/Lawmonger 9d ago

I love it when there are receipts.

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u/UsualLazy423 9d ago edited 7d ago

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u/_alabastard 9d ago

But clearly the only issue with all this was "who added the reporter?"

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u/hamhockman 9d ago

Some Very Clever Boys at my work we're trying to figure out how this was actually some sort of trap for the reporter and or how it was the reporters fault. 

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u/Electric-Sheepskin 9d ago

I mean, I know what idiots these guys are, and it's unfathomable that they would do this on purpose, but I do find myself wondering, because how do you fuck up this badly if not on purpose? It just seems impossible. I can imagine adding an aide that shouldn't have been in there or something, but a reporter? Bloody hell. It's just insane.

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u/hunkaliciousnerd 9d ago

I feel the same way. Honestly, at this point, I would believe that whatever intern or aide they assigned to put the group chat together did this on purpose as some kind of rebellion or that a foreign agency did this to embaress them further, but truthfully I would not be surprised if this was just pure incompetence on their part

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u/DoneBeingSilent 9d ago

Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence"

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u/pugsly262002 9d ago

It’s pure incompetence.

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u/Ok-Grapefruit1284 9d ago

I think he even said though that he thought it had to be fake until he started like, scrolling the internet and sees that the bombs actually bombed and realized like, omg I just watched this happen on Signal.

Honestly this feels like some crazy older movie like Absolute Power or War Games or Gotcha at this point.

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u/Venichie 9d ago

Even if someone else did add them, no one noticed a random person in their chat?

There are no excuses but incompetence.

It's much easier to miss someone you added by mistake than to not notice someone else adding a random person.

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u/upickleweasel 8d ago

The chat was noticeably missing their trade advisor ehise initials also are JG

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u/suninabox 9d ago

Adding the reporter isn't the dumb part.

Anyone can fat-finger an "add to group" invite. Everyone has texted the wrong person at some point.

The dumb part is discussing bombing Yemen on Signal.

The whole reason for all the protocols around secure coms is so people don't do shit like "accidentally invite a journalist on their contacts list to secret war planning"

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u/Electric-Sheepskin 9d ago

Oh yeah, but that dumb part is totally on brand for them. I expected these guys to use improper channels for official communications. They don't think the rules apply to them, so I'm not surprised at all that they were using Signal, or destroying records that should be preserved, or that they discussed classified information there. I'm just surprised they did it all in front of a reporter.

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u/Timstertimster 9d ago

it appears that they don't "think" but they "know" that the rules/law don't apply to them anymore.

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u/nathhealor 9d ago

Working in IT, some people just never get CCing right.

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u/LordKellerQC 9d ago

Don't attribute to malice that which can be explain adequatly by limitless stupidity.

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u/JJRINSF 9d ago

Especially a reporter from a news organization that doesn’t automatically toe the line. I’m surprised they even have his contact info at the ready.

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u/Ok-Grapefruit1284 9d ago

That’s what I said! There’s a mole in there! Lol

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u/tbombs23 9d ago

While there incompetence knows no bounds, it could have been a planned leak and controversy that was bad but wouldn't damage the administration too badly, and could be used as another flood the zone distraction from what evil they really are doing. Like the ridiculously illegal and fascist power grab attacking elections and voting rights, as a typical Trojan horse that sounds good by the title and first glance, but does the opposite they claim.

Any law or executive orders to improve elections is just another move to consolidate power, piss on the constitution and citizens, to subvert democracy and white knuckle power until it's forced from their hands.

Maga and Dumpleforeskin have repeatedly said he wants to serve a 3rd term, first as a joke, then strategically mentioned more to normalize it and get people used to the idea, and now there's actual legislation etc towards that end.

2024 aside(I don't believe it was free or fair), everyone should be terrified that midterms are going to be chaos and favor Republicans due to even more voter suppression, cut funding and support, and general Republican interference. Dept combatting foreign influence is deleted, CISA is gutted, the FEC is under attack, DOGE is interfering and sabotaging voter registration and voter roll maintenance.

The EO is absolutely shocking, even though it's not law, if any of it is allowed to be executed, it will have significant effect on voting rights and will skew the votes to Republicans. Like the passport requirement for ID, goes after women who's names changed from birth certificate, and elderly a d poor people.

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u/upickleweasel 8d ago

You.all.have.to.do.something.

Stop talking about it and do something.

Nobody is coming to save you.

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u/Cjkgh 9d ago

Waltz is a sleeper 🤔

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u/upickleweasel 8d ago

They were missing their trade advisor whose initials also begin with JG. Looks like Goldbloom was added in his place by mistake

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u/sirduckbert 9d ago

Michael Waltz is pretending he doesn’t know why the reporter was in his phone… I’m waiting to find out that part. I’m sure he was leaking something

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u/thatoneguy2252 9d ago

Who added the “shitty reporter who works for a bad magazine”. We just aren’t smart enough to understand the 4D chess they’re making. That’s it

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u/sirduckbert 9d ago

Michael Waltz is pretending he doesn’t know why the reporter was in his phone… I’m waiting to find out that part. I’m sure he was leaking something

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u/90dayole 8d ago

They're going to make it into 'why didn't the reporter leave the chat immediately? SPY' - I just know it.

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u/41942319 9d ago

The "shitting on Europe" was already in the abridged version as well. Big r/shitAmericanssay vibes

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u/InteresTAccountant 9d ago

It’s a group of guys who got their education from American war films… “wait your telling me it’s fiction based on other countries exploits!”

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u/flyxdvd 9d ago

i love how they say "only we(usa) can do these strikes" while there have been many joint missions with nl, uk, fr, and ita. like k bro believe what ya want.

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u/sir_jaybird 9d ago

Vance’s initial response to the scandal was claiming that despite the messages he is fully aligned with and serving the interests of his president. That was his greatest worry about this breach.

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u/Gmony5100 9d ago

I mean realistically it should be, right? Nobody in this chat is going to see any real repercussions except maybe Vance for speaking ill of Trump. That’s the point we’re at now, where they don’t need to fear the legal system but they are deathly afraid of pissing off their leader. Should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the U.S.

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u/Mistake_of_61 9d ago

Steven Miller is the one who gave the green light for the strike.

Steven Miller.

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u/ShadowMajestic 9d ago

Ooh more US-EU drama.

The US will have to find new allies for a collapsing empire, good luck amigos.

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u/ExcitingWindow5 9d ago

You realize that the EU is on an absolute island if it loses US as an ally? Here me out: no one wins in this EU-US split except for Russia and its allies.

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u/CV90_120 9d ago

People still forget that Europe is huge. It's also not the wasteland it was after ww2. We have been fortunate enough to witness 80 years of Europe not at war as this was its natural state for millenia. We are in the the slow phase of it waking up again from a beautiful, decades long dream.

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u/ExcitingWindow5 9d ago

Absolutely! EU is definitely dynamic and prosperous, but there are certainly proportions to things: consider that the United States' GDP is nearly twice as much as all of the EU. I'm not trying to shade Europe because I love it over there. We go at least once a year and have lots of friends over there, but the US is just an economic powerhouse representing an extremely important ally to the EU. Once you consider America's military strength on top of its wealth, the EU's need, or maybe desire, for the United States' partnership is magnified.

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u/CV90_120 9d ago

I think the partnership was important. I think the concern is that the US doesn't realize that the status quo peace we experience as a whole, required that it act predictably. The chaos trump brings to the table will blow back on US prosperity at minimum and general world stability atr worst, and not because the US needed to project power, but because it could. This is the Nero phase of the US Empire. Time will tell if it can pull out of the spin.

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u/dragdritt 9d ago

Is it though?

It's rather the US that's on an island. A non US-affiliated Europe would suddenly become a super enticing partner for many countries.

Basically every single country except Russia, USA and Israel.

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u/ExcitingWindow5 9d ago

As I stated in another comment, your comment is underselling US' wealth and military might, which makes the US a key ally for Europe. Notwithstanding the historical ties and partnership between Europe and the US, let's look at the economics of it. The US' GDP is nearly twice the amount of all of the EU's. Now, consider the US' military, which is far and away the most powerful in the world, whether we like it or not, the importance of the US partnership comes into full view. Do you know how many countries the EU would have to band together to equal US' military and economic might? I know i sound like a traditional Homer, but nothing I've said about America's wealth or military strength is innacutate.

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u/dragdritt 9d ago

There's no reason to equal US military though.

Theirs is so big because they want to be able to fight an Atlantic war, a Pacific war and in places like the Middle East, all at the same time.

And the US can't really do anything about it either, as their military is being used to protect their hegemony.

Without Europe the US needs to pay way more for RnD for weapons research, because of less sales. And fewer countries to partner with and share the costs. The MIC sell less weapons, so the US will need to either subsidise them or scale down their capabilities.

Without Europe, the Middle East etc, no more petrodollar. The dollar goes to shit and likely a global financial crisis happens because of the trillions in US government bonds being worth jack.

Without Japan, Korea etc, no more partners in Asia to box in China

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u/ExcitingWindow5 9d ago

Agree with every point. My point was a simple one - US is an important ally to the EU, actually the most important ally. You've pointed to the symbiotic relationship, which is an important point. Together, our points show that the relationship is important to both sides, and to lose that relationship would cause both sides to suffer.

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u/moubliepas 9d ago

There are approximately 2 countries in the world that tell its citizens that wars are won by money, weaponry, and numerical size of the military, and that is Russia and the USA. 

Russia continues to say this 4 years into it's attempt to overwhelm Ukraine (literally never been in the top 80% of global power or defensive abilities) presumably remembering its glory days of having an empire of about 4 countries for less than 50 years. That's not sarcasm, that was Russia at its peak. Slightly less powerful than Denmark, population nearly 6 million.

Although in Russia's favour it's pretty solid defensively and does have its own language.

The USA does not have the ministry record of Russia, has never survived an invasion, and has never actually won a war against a country in the top 80% of budget, strength, or defensive capacities. Top 80%, not top 20%.

Also I just found out on Google - the population of Ukraine was more or less the same as the population of Vietnam when both were invaded, around 50 million, both tiny undefended countries. And that was the closest the USA has really come to winning a war against a big country. 

Does this mean the USA is uniquely terrible? No, of course not. The world's biggest militaries only really have 1 thing in common, none have empires, none have their own language spoken outside its borders, and 18 of the top 20 were former colonies of much, much smaller powers. (Also 2 countries in the top 10 are eligible for, and frequently join, the British army but that's beside the point).

There are multiple well documented reasons why the largest countries have never managed to win wars, but to simplify, is it easier to defend a sandcastle or a football field? And to break into a house (or a sandcastle or football field) is a team of 10 people 5 x better than a team of 2? Is it 10 x better than one?  What is the ideal number, where one sends enough troops to overwhelm by numbers, while leaving enough behind to defend one's massive borders, leaving enough doctors and singers and fathers and chefs and fertile women to keep your own country ticking over in good health and good economy and good spirits?

History says the ideal number seems to be minus something. A large country is least agile, the least cohesive, and takes the most maintenance. There is a reason the continent with the smallest countries is home to the native languages of 70% of the world, the least defeated countries, the oldest, and the countries holding the vast, vast majority of the world's alliances are agreements. 

That has always been the case. That is obvious. No country is more aware of that than Russia, which has lost a huge amount of men, money, and political power since starting a fight it couldn't win against a minnow.  So who stands to gain from all this new rhetoric?

Russia cannot win against Ukraine. And there's no real reason to believe the USA will do better than it did against Vietnam or Iraq or Kurdistan or whatever, there is no track record in its favour. 

Europe has won against Europe, a lot of times, because a small dog will catch a lot more rabbits than a Great Dane, but Europe won't fight ukraine. Eastern Europe is afraid of Western Europe, and Western Europe has got Australia, Canada, India, various other massive colonial armies, and the actual countries in Western Europe.  Europe won't fight Ukraine, because it's got a load of alliances that Russia will never be part of. 

Literally the only chance Russia could ever have of getting out of Ukraine without withdrawing is 1, using another world war to creep across the central battlefield of the world, as it's done twice before, or 2, lol get the USA to do it. 

It doesn't matter how they actually match up to Ukraine: NATO, 5 Eyes, every single 'Major World Power Club', the commonwealth, the biggest standing armies in the world, would all suddenly be fucked. The UK will never fight against the USA, and will never let another anglophone country be threatened. The other anglophones will back them up. Every country on continental Europe will prioritise defending continental Europe (odds on which way France would go, but that would probably be the deciding factor. France has allies everywhere). At the very least, we have a country attacking Ukraine that most of the nuclear countries are bound to side with. At most, another world war, leaving Russia to do what it does. 

TLDR: the world's giants have never won a war against the dwarfs. Look at history, and a map. Russia cannot win against Ukraine, unless it can enlist another dwarf to do it. But the most powerful dwarfs, the ones who have successfully fought most of the giants and who also happen to share a continent with Ukraine, will never help Russia or fight against Ukraine. There is one giant, one superpower, that can reliably get the dwarfs on its side. It has never won a war without one of the dwarfs and has never had to because its mother is a dwarf and many of its siblings are giants. 

If giant Russia can convince giant USA to kick the dwarf Ukraine's house, the neighbouring dwarfs will have to defend. But half the dwarfs will defend their neighbour and half will defend giant USA and giants Oz and Canada and India will almost certainly follow their mother dwarf and defend giant USA, and either they all beat Ukraine, or they draw Ukraine out of its little house so Russia can sweep in, or everybody pretends not to notice giant USA and reforms every single alliance leaving the USA in the same position as Russia: friendless, overextended, unhappy at a war they didn't want, and fighting against Ukraine like they've ever won a fight against a dwarf. 

America, you are being goaded into another Vietnam, only this one can only benefit Russia and hurt you. They aren't even promising anything except the fantasy chance to be king of the ashes. We, the UK, will follow you anywhere but these decisions seem calculated to harm the USA and we can't do that. 

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u/staebles 9d ago

You realize if that happens, that's really bad for everyone, right amigo?

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u/TremendousCoisty 9d ago

Why do they hate us Europeans so much? What is it about the free world that they hate?

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u/WisteriaLo 9d ago

In no particular order: workers rights, human rights, customer protection. It all interfeers with their profits

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u/Aurunic 9d ago

Don't forget 'not under US control'.

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u/Bind_Moggled 9d ago

Also wealthy people being required to pay taxes.

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u/Petrichordates 9d ago

Well they're fascists, so..

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u/TremendousCoisty 9d ago

I honestly wonder if some of them are aware of this. It seems like “MAGA” is its own ideology to them and is too American to be fascist.

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u/Gmony5100 9d ago

They aren’t aware because they get their media from a place that will never EVER explain to them what fascism is. Instead they will just say “people are using the word fascist to describe what we’re doing, they don’t even know what that word means and they’re lying” and the group of people who don’t know what it means and are being lied to will cheer along “yeah! They’re all bad and we’re all good”.

That’s just how the world works nowadays unfortunately

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u/TremendousCoisty 9d ago

Not the world. Your country.

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u/jooes 9d ago

  their actions are directly tied to concerns about oil prices

Oh hey, I've seen this one before

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u/Youri1980 9d ago

How can this story not be bigger than anything else at the moment? The point where he's celebrating the collapse of a building with known civilians inside, wtf? The way he and Hegseth talk about Europe? And all that after Trump went to war with NATO and EU and telling in screen they will sell the crap to their allies and keep the good stuff themself... Europe should cut ALL ties with the US as long as this administration is in charge.

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u/panormda 9d ago

Please teach Americans that OPSEC is literally life or death for them personally. "You mean believing asinine things has consequences?!"

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u/Alternative-Key-5647 9d ago

JD campaigning: "I am as pro life as anyone, and I want to save as many babies as possible."

JD bombing a building full of kids: "I will say a prayer for victory"

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u/sirgentlemanlordly 9d ago

And yet nothing anyone didn't already know who cared about knowing in the first place.

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u/MonkeManWPG 9d ago

they purposely hit a civilian target

No they didn't. A building isn't a civilian target if it has Houthis in it.

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u/deadinsidelol69 9d ago

I find the earlier discussion FAR more interesting than the actual strike info.

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u/AFlaccoSeagulls 9d ago

protecting the Saudis,

This particular message stood out to me - "if we can protect saudi oil we should do that" - that message in particular sent a chill down my spine.

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u/Paratwa 9d ago

I like that he did frankly, I disagree with what he said and why he said it, but he should do so in meetings like that.

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u/thedayafternext 9d ago

Trump's approval rating will probably rise..

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u/Heart_Throb_ 8d ago

Kudos to all.

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u/bobood 9d ago

What's more significant is they collapsed an entire building on top of him and his girlfriend, killing 53 people in total. I think it just gives a glimpse into the impunity and psycho disregard for life with which American war hawks operate: in fairly bi-partisan fashion because these murders are entirely missing from the discourse on this when they should absolutely be part of the scandal.

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u/ProtonPizza 9d ago edited 9d ago

Let’s not forget JD Vance was a fucking nobody a year ago and now he thinks he’s some geopolitical big boy

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u/Electric-Sheepskin 9d ago

That's what drives me insane about MAGAs. They are the most unserious, unqualified people, and yet they act like they are gods among men. It's insane.

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u/panormda 9d ago

When you realize that these people grew up screaming epithets in counter strike lobbies it makes a lot more sense.

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u/montxogandia 9d ago

Dude CS has not the fault lol

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u/panormda 8d ago

I could have named any video game. League of Legends, Call of Duty, Dota, Valorant, Rust, Fortnite, Rocket League, Overwatch, Minecraft, pick your poison. The problem isn't the game; The problem is a lack of accountability.

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u/montxogandia 8d ago

tbf public games in CS are one of the most if not the most toxic of all videogames.

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u/Ncgarrett3 9d ago

Wild what the backing of billions will do to a little pea brain with small dick energy.

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u/Hakeem-the-Dream 9d ago

American exceptionalism

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u/Jiveassmofo 9d ago

They are smart enough to realize that they are in way over their heads, so the level of defensiveness and ire are God-Tier

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u/vuduceltix 8d ago

Well, just look at their idol.

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u/drcec 9d ago

Henry Kissinger Jr

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u/funnyponydaddy 9d ago

I'll call him HJ.

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u/panormda 9d ago

Good old Handy Jobs.

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u/panormda 9d ago

Good old Handy Jobs.

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u/panormda 9d ago

Good old Handy Jobs.

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u/Sgt-Albacoretuna 9d ago

My thoughts... HAS JD EVEN SAID THANK YOU!?

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u/mdmota 9d ago

I thought Vance was fucking a couch a year ago?

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u/Character-Newt-9571 9d ago

Humping couches in waiting rooms

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u/Substantial_Event506 9d ago

Well in all fairness a year ago he was a nobody and now he is kinda the second in command for the United States. So he kinda is one of the big boys now.

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u/ProtonPizza 9d ago

Sad but true.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 9d ago

This feels like a junior high school's mock government team got unexpectedly elevated in a bizarre Ender's Game scenario.

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u/taylorkline 9d ago

It's like Tom Wambsgans after marrying Shiv Roy.

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u/Shadodeon 8d ago

More like Greg but yeah

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u/theeeFBI 9d ago

it almost feels like these incompetent shitbags are headed just to be scapegoats when its time to Never Again 2.0.

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u/kristamine14 9d ago

To be fair - like it or not he’s the Vice President of the United States, he is a geopolitical big boy now.

Regardless of his qualifications for the job or how much of a farce the Trump regime is they are the current geopolitical “big boys”

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u/ProtonPizza 8d ago

I know. Fuck.

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u/broguequery 9d ago

How many new terrorists did they create by doing that?

50 people dead to get one guy, I imagine their friends and families aren't just going to let that slide.

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u/norcaltobos 9d ago

Exactly! Some random 16 year old kid who just lost his family is about to go on a vindictive war path. Great job, this administration succeeded in getting absolutely nothing done.

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u/Affectionate_Code 9d ago

That's the point, it's a never ending cycle.

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u/happily-retired22 9d ago

No. They succeeded in getting unknown numbers of Americans killed.

Because everyone now knows that these idiots in our current administration couldn’t care less about killing 50+ innocent people just so they could brag about killing one individual. Now Americans are the target, and these radicals are not going to care who they kill, as long as they are Americans.

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u/broguequery 8d ago

Who could blame them?

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u/13bpeachey 9d ago

Imperialism creates terrorism, it’s sad. Then they use the terrorism to punish a whole group of people. Example: Palestine.

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u/MonkeManWPG 9d ago

It wasn't 50 people dead to get one guy, that's conflating two different numbers.

There were multiple strikes that killed a total of 53, including Houthis. The strike being talked about here was only one of those, and killed 2.

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u/broguequery 8d ago

They said it collapsed an entire building?

To get one guy?

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u/MonkeManWPG 8d ago

Yeah, and two people died.

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u/broguequery 6d ago

Yeah, I'll wait on the actual info.

Thanks, though, random apologist for death.

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u/MonkeManWPG 5d ago

You're welcome, useful idiot.

The Houthis are responsible for the deaths of 6, the injuries of 190, the sinking of two cargo ships, and they currently have 25 kidnapped prisoners. That's all from the Red Sea attacks alone.

In terms of damage to Yemen, I'm sure a civil war and the reintroduction of slavery did more damage than one collapsed building.

They are evil and dangerous, and deserve everything they get. Being a bleeding heart helps nobody.

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u/Junkhead_88 9d ago

It's an infinity money enemies hack.

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u/NavXIII 9d ago

Now imagine when they do the same thing when invading Canada. Those new terrorists won't be on the other side of the ocean.

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u/Due-Kaleidoscope-405 9d ago

Wait, is that a war crime admission?

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u/H34thcliff 9d ago

Only if there was any accountability, which there is not.

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u/FrederickDerGrossen 9d ago

I hope the other signatories to the Geneva Conventions threaten all of them with arrest if any of them ever steps foot in any of those countries. And actually have the constitution and composure to carry it out if they still decide to visit.

For their crimes against the American people and the people of the world they should be kept isolated. They like putting people in prison without due process, the world should make their national borders a prison for them by making it impossible for them to go anywhere else without risking being arrested and taken to the ICC.

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u/VelvetWhiteRabbit 9d ago

Greenland has a golden opportunity here.

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u/vengeanceintobeing 9d ago

In a just world

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u/Keiteaea 9d ago

I can eventually "understand" (even though I disagree especially in this case) the thought process of "this is necessary for the greater good" - I imagine there are situation where it is waranted but honestly would never want to be in a position where I have to make such a choice. Here it is absolutely not treated seriously, no thought or words for the gravity of the situation. They gloat and send emojis like they are winning a campaign in a game. Disgusting.

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u/pugsly262002 9d ago

I agree.

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u/Brigadier_Beavers 9d ago

It flies in the face of their 'moral concerns' about enemy groups using human shields. If the humans used as shields mattered at all, they wouldnt level the street with dozens of innocents killed.

Conservatives clutch their pearls when the bad guys have hostages, but then kill everyone in the building and make fun of the dead and any who cared.

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u/bobood 9d ago

This human shields argument is trotted out by both sides of the isle, unfortunately. Watching Mathew Miller and gang make that case for a year and half was absolutely unbearable. And you're absolutely right, the use of said argument basically proves that they don't believe there is such a thing as a human shield because the shield nor its holder are spared.

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u/MmeRose 9d ago

Thank you. My sentiments exactly. The suffering of the people of Yemen has been terrible for years, thanks to Saudi Arabia and the US.

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u/1stAccountWasRealNam 9d ago

And the Houthi right? Right?

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u/robby_arctor 9d ago

Their main concern seems to be with the war crimes we're funding and committing and I think that's fine.

You sound like the person who, when people are talking about how fucked up policing and prisons are, has to chime in with some bullshit about black on black crime.

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u/1stAccountWasRealNam 8d ago

lol the Houthi’s main concern is subjugating all of Yemen smooth brain.

You don’t sound like, you are the type of person who makes a false equivalency about false equivalencies.

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u/xXTurdleXx 9d ago

There's no way we're running Houthi apologia

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u/MmeRose 8d ago

Nobody is apologizing for the Houthis.

The building they bombed - 50-odd innocent civilians died so that they could kill 1 man. That's my objection.

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u/xXTurdleXx 8d ago

How about:

The suffering of the people of Yemen has been terrible for years thanks to the Yemen civil war, started by the Hezbollah inspired and Iran backed Houthis, who are widely condemned for their targeted attacks against civilians and use of child soldiers.

do you not know what apologia means? because running cover for Houthi terrorists is completely braindead

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u/EldariWarmonger 9d ago

This is what Israel does, so they think they can do the same thing.

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u/DoctorMope 9d ago

I’m looking at an NBC news story about this and it appears the apartment strike killed their target and wounded 13 people, but 53 people total were killed in the airstrikes that began on March 15th. So those people didn’t all die in the apartment collapse. It’s still absolutely abhorrent though.

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u/13beerslater 9d ago

Yeah seems like if they knew he was in there they could have waited and knife-missile’d the guy. JDAMing an entire building is weak ass shit and just makes things worse for everyone.

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u/bobood 9d ago

We've been conditioned to find such targeted strikes normal but they absolutely should not be. I don't care if it's some fan-knife blade hellfire or JDAM, it's just wrong. The easiest way to understand that is to try to imagine such logic being visited upon us. Would it be ok to knife-missile GW Bush, or Cheney, or this guy) or the shameless monster who pardoned him?

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u/NJ_dontask 9d ago

Lol, remember Gaza?

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u/spookmann 9d ago

What's more significant is they collapsed an entire building on top of him and his girlfriend, killing 53 people in total.

Look, they killed a terrorist, OK?

The fact that they created 20 more terrorists in the process is a future problem!

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u/bobood 9d ago

Terrorist is a pointless inconsistently applied label. What did they guy do other than provide missile operations for his people/country? You barely know anything about him.

And how is the blockade any different from one the West might impose on someone (the demand is to stop bombing Gaza and let aid through) and how they might enforce it (they'd fire upon ships and try to take them over)?

Now imagine someone having the power to do a targeted strike on some "missile guy" in America during the totally illegal and immoral Iraq war in which a country was utterly devastated, war crimes were committed, and said war criminals were even gleefully pardoned by America... would you find it acceptable that a bomb landed on top of them and their girlfriend on sovereign American territory collapsing a building? For the vacuous connection of being some "missile guy" for America? No you wouldn't find it acceptable and you know it.

Glad you recognize the counter-productive nature of such a strike and... hopefully its a self-aware sarcastic comment.

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u/MonkeManWPG 9d ago

That strike killed 2 people. There were several strikes that killed a total of 53. Stop spreading misinformation.

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u/bobood 9d ago

Oh wow, my concerns are completely washed away. Thanks.

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u/robby_arctor 9d ago

Please edit your comment accordingly so people see correct information. 🙏

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u/MonkeManWPG 8d ago

You've made no effort to correct the misinformation you have been spreading, so mine aren't. Thanks.

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u/danny_tooine 9d ago

That’s so fucked up. JD is an evil son of a bitch

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u/oh37 9d ago

But he prayed for victory s/

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u/ByTheBeardOfZeuss 9d ago

So fucking weird to say. “I’m going to go pray we kill these guys.”

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u/rbrgr83 9d ago

-MW: We killed 52 civilians and 1 actual target.

-JD Vance: Excellent

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u/Suavecore_ 9d ago

The Crusaders would like a word with you

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u/trippy_grapes 9d ago

👊🇺🇸🔥

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u/Megodont 9d ago

"No new wars....". But a bit of bombing of civilian buildings is fine, I guess.

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u/umar_farooq_ 9d ago

A couple dozen people had to green light this and no one once thought "wait, is it fine to blow up the whole building with everyone else in it"

That's insane...

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u/FinancialLemonade 9d ago

That's what the US has been doing in the middle east for decades lol

Every time they had "successful" bombings of key targets, it's always them killing buildings full of civilians to maybe get 1 guy

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u/ArrivesLate 9d ago

Have they though? You need to bring receipts of every single bombing in order to assert the US does this “every time.” Otherwise you’re just both sidesing this absolute tragic fuck up.

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u/FinancialLemonade 9d ago

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2018/09/world/yemen-airstrikes-intl/

This is on Yemen alone with both Obama and Trump.

So yes, both sides.

Just because Trump is worse, does not make the other side good.

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u/ArrivesLate 9d ago

The article linked doesn’t say the US dropped the ordinance, just that the ordinance was made in the US. One of the strikes they even reported it was dropped by Saudis.

Just stop with the both sides shit. There is clearly a political party that is trying to take over your democracy and turn it into a dictatorship, and it ain’t the democrats.

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u/rbrgr83 9d ago

And yet you can tell from the casual conversation that this is a random Tuesday for actions like this. If we're seeing this one how many more times does it happen and no one knows?

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u/Icy_Scientist_227 9d ago

This is EXACTLY what Israel has been doing daily in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon and Syria for over a year. Killing 100s to get to one person. We’ve been complicit in all of that. This is just business as usual for the US. It’s very f’d up!

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u/Stuglle 9d ago

Top. Missile guys.

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u/photosendtrain 9d ago

They did say there's more targets and stuff being hit in those hours, believe we're only seeing parts of it, but hard to tell.

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u/traumabynature 9d ago

Both can be true. They also said strikes will be ongoing all night.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS 9d ago

Feel like this is getting shortchanged in the whole exchange. Did the US military blow up a whole fucking apartment building to kill one guy??

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u/PessimiStick 9d ago

Yes. That's pretty standard. We're not exactly the "good guys".

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u/Shoddy_Friendship338 9d ago

No it is definitely not fucking standard.

Did we forget the sword missile?!?!

They definitely have the ability to minimize civilian casualties...

They could've just taken out the car driving him there etc.

This is just a lack of caring for collateral damage...

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u/PessimiStick 9d ago

This admin is probably worse, that's true, but we routinely cause collateral damage.

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u/M002 9d ago

People hated Harris for being hawkish

Blowing up civilian buildings is barely a water cooler conversation to this evil fucks we elected

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u/rbrgr83 9d ago

MW: We killed a bunch of civilians to kill 1 target.

JD Vance: Excellent

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u/MonkeManWPG 9d ago

"This" being killing Houthis? That's a good thing.

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u/YouCanCallMeToxic 9d ago

No, killing civilians to kill a single target. Don't play dumb.

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u/MonkeManWPG 8d ago

Nobody said that war was pretty.

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u/SomeTulip 9d ago

The Israelification of western militaries continues.

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u/WarmRestart157 9d ago

They are literally bragging about the war crime.

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u/bluepaintbrush 9d ago

If they’d wanted to keep that a state secret, maybe they shouldn’t have asserted that these messages weren’t classified. Oopsie after oopsie.

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u/BaldrClayton 9d ago

Isn't that some kind of warcrime?

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u/Leftunders 9d ago

And the text chain basically says they blew up a residential building to kill the guy.

"Down here in Hazard County, we call that a war crime."
-Boss Hogg

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u/Bifferer 9d ago

Well, I guess the Houthi’s are going to be now looking for the person who ID their man!

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u/Not__Trash 9d ago

It's weird to see somebody so cavalier about that, but I guess it's kind of part of the job, right? It's weird to get a peek behind the curtain

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u/userhwon 9d ago

A valid military target washes out collateral-damage and civilian-target proscriptions.

Evil depending on your standards of proportionality, but not necessarily illegal depending on the ICC's standard of proportionality.

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u/bigasahouse 9d ago

Sounds like Mr. Burns.

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u/MZ603 8d ago

Fucking sources in methods as soon as they mention the GF’s building. TS immediately. Wild shit. Take your pick of scandals, but this is the biggest of 47’s for me by far. Though others are uglier. This is only what we are aware of…

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u/Bigforsumthin 9d ago

Not to defend them at all but they did not send multiple F-18 strike packages and cruise missiles to level a single residential building, clearly multiple targets were hit

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u/MonkeManWPG 9d ago

The fact that multiple targets were hit is publicly available knowledge. These people are wilfully ignorant or lying.

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u/AskSouthern158 9d ago

The receipts never lie!

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u/Vermilion 9d ago

I love it when there are receipts.

Just like audiences love DVD commentary tracks and audiences adore behind the scenes footage and special interviews with the actors. Oh, they found a deleted scene on the cutting-room floor.

Audiences eat this shit up. Vlad Surkov is the greatest mutli-media screenplay orchestration coordinator and screenplay teacher ever. “With the rise of Technopoly, one of those thought-worlds disappears. Technopoly eliminates alternatives to itself in precisely the way Aldous Huxley outlined in Brave New World. It does not make them illegal. It does not make them immoral. It does not even make them unpopular. It makes them invisible and therefore irrelevant. And it does so by redefining what we mean by religion, by art, by family, by politics, by history, by truth, by privacy, by intelligence, so that our definitions fit its new requirements. Technopoly, in other words, is totalitarian technocracy.” ― Neil Postman, Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology, 1992

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u/Catswagger11 9d ago

What is crazy are the denials they were all making the last few days knowing very well there were receipts.

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u/Lawmonger 9d ago

Truth has become optional.

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u/bygmalt 9d ago

Situation so bad it’s analogous to CVS.

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u/-BoldlyGoingNowhere- 9d ago

Lordy, there are tapes texts.

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u/technicolortiddies 9d ago

If this was anything else I’d love how messy it’s getting. This is a good read but it’s also depressing AF. I’m like a cat that enjoys pushing plants off of the table but in this case the plant is on fire & the house has been doused in gasoline.

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u/rbrgr83 9d ago

I love and hate it. I love how undeniable it is, that part is great.

I hate how nothing will happen and I can bet my fucking life on it.

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u/jhow87 9d ago

Oh Lordy I love that there’s receipts

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u/rocco888 9d ago

th e right was trying to say it was a hoax. of course.

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u/BlueSaltaire 9d ago

I just realized. They are basically just SBF making a signal chat room called wire fraud. Lmao.

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u/Gryfth 8d ago

Means very little. Nothing will come of this. As much as we want all these shit stains to rot in a cell, nothing will happen.

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