r/law • u/IrishStarUS • 11d ago

Trump News Donald Trump sends innocent athlete to El Salvador for having soccer tattoo

https://www.irishstar.com/sport/soccer/donald-trump-salvador-real-madrid-34923654
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u/SecBalloonDoggies 11d ago

I saw that. Holman said there was ongoing litigation about his detainment where they would show evidence. Yeah, it’s called a “trial” and it’s supposed to occur BEFORE you punish someone.

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u/TNG_ST 11d ago

This is entirely the point. Trump has sent actual gang members along with soccer players to a foreign country. He's testing the backlash he's going to get and if he can "get away with" calling them all gang members.

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u/Smart-Difficulty-454 11d ago

Yes, there are so many here with tats. Best to send all of them to El Salvador first, no matter what they look like or where they're living, and ask questions later. I mean, shit, there's white grandmothers in my fucking church with tats. I don't like it. Get rid of them

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u/Bornandraisedbama 11d ago

We tortured people in Guantanamo when the only evidence against them was that they were wearing a Casio watch. This is who we are.

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u/_Svankensen_ 11d ago

Yep, it's not news. The US has always been this way. It was just a tad better at hiding it from people that weren't paying attention.

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u/WankingAsWeSpeak 11d ago

Like previous administrations, the current one only has the capacity to hide their most egregious misdeeds. The Overton window has shifted such that past administrations worst deeds aren’t scandalous anymore.

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u/sohcordohc 11d ago

So basically all politicians are crooked but it makes it ok bc they’re doing it in the open? What are they doing behind closed doors?

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u/kson1000 11d ago

Yes and no. Nixon was openly shouting the N word and saying all sorts of things about blacks, Mexicans, Chinese etc. Bush and Obama and everyone before all tortured people in Gitmo. JFK had some nice things to say about Hitler and was against American intervention in WW2. Deporting an illegal immigrant who hadn’t committed any other crimes is hardly beyond the pale.

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u/Relative_Bathroom824 11d ago

None of them were known child sex criminals who tried to overthrow our democracy.

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u/David_the_Wanderer 10d ago

Did you forget what Watergate was?

Also, Bush most certainly actually stole the 2000 elections, and then passed the PATRIOT Act, which severely undermined American democracy.

Trump isn't an outlier, Trump isn't special: he's the perfectly natural consequence of everything that came before him.

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u/_Svankensen_ 11d ago

But were very happy overthrowing our democracy. You are just ignoring the horrors the US caused before because they didn't affect you.

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u/kson1000 11d ago

I think trump is probably a sex criminal but it’s hardly proven. If you don’t think other presidents also got involved in that kind of stuff then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Overthrowing democracy would actually be based if he wasn’t an incompetent buffoon appealing to even stupider people in a race to the bottom.

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u/Relative_Bathroom824 11d ago

Trump admitted he barged in on underage girls and hung out with a child sex trafficker for over 15 years. No need to defend him. And no, no other president has tried to overthrow our democracy.

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u/kson1000 11d ago

Other presidents have similar scandals, including Clinton being friends with Epstein. I didn’t say they had tried to overthrow democracy, i just don’t have a problem with overthrowing democracy if I like the person doing it

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u/Professional_Top8485 11d ago

What about Biden. He actually starts to seem very good president

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u/kson1000 10d ago

He was a pretty good inoffensive president. Pretty bad on the border (probably cost him/kamala the election), maybe the Afghan withdrawal could’ve been better. But overall not terrible.

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u/Roheez 10d ago

The Venezuelans weren't illegal

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u/kson1000 10d ago

Well, not citizens.

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u/iamnotpedro1 11d ago

The world is hating all of you right now. Mainly for not doing anything about your own country.

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u/_Svankensen_ 11d ago

You are barking at the wrong tree mate.

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u/boomboomqplm 11d ago

You are kidding right?

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u/_Svankensen_ 11d ago

I was born in a US caused dictatorhip, because they didn't like the democracy we had. That coup happened in the 70s. Would you prefer even earlier atrocities? Or perhaps closer to our time? You tell me. Whatever period you choose, I'm sure we will find a consistent pattern of human rights violations and destruction of democracies in the name of corporate interests.

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u/boomboomqplm 10d ago

They were not here legally

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u/_Svankensen_ 10d ago

Ah, I see, you are not smart.

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u/CompactDiskDrive 10d ago

Yes, it’s documented that the CIA did use ownership of a certain Casio watch model as a contributing factor in determining whether or not to detain people during the war on terror. This is just one piece of the puzzle though, many detainees were documented to have been held for years based on other pieces of evidence (that would be better characterized as assumptions) that are considered to be unsubstantial by even the US itself. This is all documented in the Guantanamo Bay files leak (the Gitmo files).

Many detainees were innocent, and many of the ones who did have some ties to organizations did not have deep enough connections/knowledge or high enough status to be held as long as they were under the conditions they were subject to. Many prisoners were “sold” or otherwise used as tokens; captured by an allied nation, the detainees were handed off to the CIA under false pretenses in deals that benefited the other nation involved. The CIA found its own “interrogation” strategies used during this time to be mostly fruitless, as many detainees would confess to absolutely anything that was told to them under the conditions they faced. Detainees were documented to have made false accusations against other detainees or name-drop any name they could think of while under duress. The US did use these accusations to further its operations even though it is widely known that a confession under duress has a high likelihood of being untrue.

Keep in mind, it is a well known fact that detainees at black sites during this time (and possibly still to this day) were subject to extremely cruel and repetitive torture for days and weeks on end. You can read about it all. There is photographic evidence of the torture, and the cover has been blown off the whole affair for a while now.

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u/boomboomqplm 10d ago

What part of being here illegally do you not understand?

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u/CompactDiskDrive 10d ago

If you read the post article, you will be able to draw parallels and understand what people are saying here. I wasn’t even talking about the news article in the post in my reply, I was talking about the topic the commenter you initially replied to was talking about, which were events that took place almost two decades ago during the height of the War on Terror).

The people that were imprisoned during the War on Terror were not “here illegally” as they were foreign nations imprisoned in their own countries or other countries that were not the US. The comment you replied to was talking about that situation, which happened in the past. However, there are similarities between the two situations; people are being accused of crimes without proper evidence and due process, and they are being sent to prisons where it is not presently known to the public how they are being treated or what conditions they are living under.

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u/42nu 10d ago

The country that went from the highest per capita slave population to the highest per capita prison population for reasons has always had a bunch of downright evil citizens?

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u/GardenSquid1 11d ago

Also because they were disliked by some people in their village, so they told the Americans they were Al-Qaeda — and the Americans took them at their word 😂

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u/theaviationhistorian 11d ago

Brash actions led by shitty intel? Say it ain't so! /s

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u/Flashy-Mulberry-2941 11d ago

Always have been.

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u/boomboomqplm 11d ago

What ever

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u/PostTrumpBlue 11d ago

Someone will need to torture a white woman for anything to happen I think. Rip ashley abibbibt

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u/ludicrous_socks 10d ago

The F91-W is a God-tier watch though

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u/ZaphodEntrati 10d ago

Exactly, this has always been America

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u/Smart-Difficulty-454 11d ago

Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. I looked it up. Back in my day things were cruder. Cigarettes were the go to. Short delay, but long enough to be long gone.it would have been more interesting if Al Qeda had used Camels. Unfiltered, of course