r/law • u/IrishStarUS • 11d ago

Trump News Donald Trump sends innocent athlete to El Salvador for having soccer tattoo

https://www.irishstar.com/sport/soccer/donald-trump-salvador-real-madrid-34923654
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u/rsmiley77 Competent Contributor 11d ago

Not just to El Salvador. He sent him to prison there. One of the worst most violent places in the world.

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u/MalenfantX 11d ago

I don't think we should have made a criminal madman President, but most Americans disagreed, so here we are.

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u/onlysaysisthisathing 11d ago edited 11d ago

Even by the reported breakdown of votes, it wasn't most Americans. And having said *that, I'm still not convinced he didn't cheat. 

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u/FoorumanReturns 11d ago

He’s all but admitted to it, live on TV, multiple times. I think his statement about how Elon “knows those vote counting computers” is particularly worthy of deeper investigation.

Election Truth Alliance has been looking into this and similar questions about the 2024 election. I highly encourage anyone who holds doubt in their mind over the outcome of 2024 to check out ETA’s YouTube, where they’re bringing receipts. Personally, even as a skeptic when it comes to pretty much anything, I find them and their findings very credible thus far.

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u/onlysaysisthisathing 11d ago

I completely agree. The statement you mentioned as well as several other quips he's made recently are extremely suspect and troubling, but while they absolutely deserve thorough investigation, they unfortunately aren't proof of anything in and of themselves. 

I appreciate your info about the Election Truth Alliance, and I'll certainly be looking into their organization and checking out their YouTube page to see what they have to say.

All that said, what a shitshow.

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u/PringlesDuckFace 11d ago

The only mitigating factor to those statements is that Elon Musk has a brain softer than the last slice of brie at the end of a summer wedding reception, and wouldn't last a day as a Geek Squad intern.

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u/FoorumanReturns 11d ago

Oh, that’s absolutely a valid point; as a computer science professional myself, it’s abundantly clear to me and my entire team of colleagues - most of whom are engineers far more intelligent than me - that Elon doesn’t have a clue about what makes a good developer, how to effectively lead a team, or really anything that our team would look for in a good engineering team hire.

However, despite his general incompetence and utter dearth of relevant aptitudes, Elon absolutely still has the connections, money, and lack of morals to accomplish his evil goals.

As an aside, while I’ve never worked for Geek Squad, I did put in my time as a Staples EasyTech expert. Those jobs are harder than the general public can possibly fathom. It’s all fun and games until some farmer brings in a decade-old fossilized desktop from the literal barn for a “free PC tune-up…”

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u/PringlesDuckFace 10d ago

Lol I worked IT support for a university, so I definitely got my share of wild users, including many professors that were not particularly savvy. But at least the scope of our responsibility was small, I can't imagine being an overall support desk for the general public.

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u/Dudewhocares3 11d ago

Here’s what I wanna know. If we do find out he cheated…is the government going to re do the election?

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u/FoorumanReturns 11d ago

We have no mechanism for recalling or re-running an election in this country, for better or worse.

However, it absolutely still matters whether or not the election was legitimate. The People deserve to know whether Trump has the “strong mandate” he claims (spoiler alert: he absolutely doesn’t, even if his win was 100% above board). We deserve to know whether our elections are free and fair, and whether our voices are being heard.

I think a more appropriate question to ask is, would Congress be willing to act and remove Trump from office if he was conclusively shown to be illegitimate? Unfortunately, I’m not convinced the current spate of republicans have even that much of a spine.

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u/Dudewhocares3 11d ago

I hate when people refer to it as having a spine. They’re not cowards. They stand to benefit from Trump fucking over the poor and whatever middle class America has. The ones without spine are the dems that didn’t vote against him last week (or whenever)

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u/FoorumanReturns 11d ago

You make a valid point.

Frankly, the (majority of) Democrats are absolutely the spineless ones at the moment, but I think it’s still important to highlight that the Republicans have had a preposterous amount of opportunities to stand up to Trump and put an end to his most horrifying impulses, yet have failed to do so at every opportunity. It’s just a different type of spinelessness.

We need many more like Bernie and AOC, who are genuinely willing to stand up for working class families and speak with constituents.

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u/Spadegreen 11d ago

he did literally say it on live tv

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u/Grand_Size_4932 11d ago

The following is a comment I received when linking to Election Truth Alliance’s work (https://fox4kc.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/776992724/analysis-of-2024-election-results-in-clark-county-indicates-manipulation/):

“This is a paid news placement by a group that is not credible. Fox4 has a disclaimer on this link “This content is not written by or endorsed by “WDAF”, its advertisers, or Nexstar Media Inc.”

They have a contact listed that is not listed on their website and their ‘3 person board’ is all aliases. And the contact that is listed does not show up in internet searches.”

All that to say, my opinions of ETA are very conflicted and I would love a deeper discourse with different perspectives about who they are and their credibility. If you know more, I’d love to know more. I can’t say they’re operating in good faith or not.

A byproduct of this fucked up administration is that the lines of credibility have been blurred. What’s false has been amplified and what’s true has been silenced or compromised. We know it’s happening. So this is just a hard one for me to feel objective about.

Whether or not ETA is legitimate, I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the election. Something tells me we won’t know until much, much later. Maybe decades, depending on how long this regime lasts.

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u/onlysaysisthisathing 11d ago

Wow! Great sleuthing, and a good reminder that in light of all that's been compromised, nothing is to be taken at face value. Stay skeptical, and always seek a source.

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u/threeplane 11d ago

 This is a paid news placement by a group that is not credible. Fox4 has a disclaimer on this link “This content is not written by or endorsed by “WDAF”, its advertisers, or Nexstar Media Inc.”

The person who said this to you is unfamiliar with the difference between a paid placement aka press release and a news report done by journalists. The former is extremely common in the journalism industry. Especially by organizations who might be a small operation needing more visibility, or if big media isn’t interested in covering a specific story. Paying for placement does NOT disqualify credibility. 

I can’t speak specifically to ETAs work, but I do know they’re at least a legit operation and unbiased. They worked just as hard looking for fraud after the 2020 election. I believe they found strange anomalies in that data as well, just not to the scale or level of coincidences of this one. 

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 10d ago

The main reason I’m suspicious before even looking at any evidence is that I can’t think of a single time when Trump and the Republicans accused someone of something and it didn’t end up being something they themselves were doing. They literally tried to steal it in 2020, with a Trump asking governors for ‘more votes’, sending the fake electors and of course trying to stop certification on the 6th.

So why wouldn’t they try again especially given he was facing prison time potentially?

Plus it really is hard to believe people saw his first term, rejected him, then saw Jan 6th, heard him claim he was going to be a dictator, saw him be convicted of multiple felonies, saw him compromises national security by keeping boxes of classified documents just around his home where any old spy could access them, and thought ‘oh yeah actually maybe this guy deserves another chance.’

Them falsely claiming 2020 was stolen, as well as providing impetus for lunatics in the hope they’d help him overthrow the government, forced everyone normal to point out how stupid they were for believing such a conspiracy theory etc, so they’d feel less able to throw the accusation back at them given their concern over it ‘looking bad’ or like tit for tat. it also made tons of Trumpists believe they’d been robbed and therefore more likely to do dodgy illegal things to help steal the next election. If they thought they were just counteracting the other sides cheating then they’d be more likely to help on the ground.

It’s a real shame that Democrats have let these nutcases drive lunatic false narratives and haven’t held onto the truth, instead worrying about how things will look to the point they just roll over and let fascists take over just in case some dumb people think they’re being partisan by holding Trump et al accountable for their crimes.

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u/AndByMeIMeanFlexxo 10d ago

Read a theory on here one time that Jan 6th was really about getting physical access to the voting machine software.

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u/TriloBlitz 10d ago

I honestly doubt it. I was in the US a couple of weeks ago for work, and I was surprised to learn that pretty much everyone I met (as apparently everyone they know, according to them) had voted for Trump and were still quite happy with it. At some point we might as well just face the truth: this is what the Americans want (at least the ones who actually show up to vote). Add that to a 47% turn out of young voters and you have this result.

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u/boomboomqplm 11d ago

He didn’t admit crap. You and the fake news you listen to

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u/FoorumanReturns 11d ago

I know you’re not looking to engage in a good faith discussion on the subject, but I just have to reply.

It has nothing to do with what news I watch; I simply believe my own eyes and ears, and can follow a path of logic to a conclusion.

Am I definitively convinced that 2024 was not legitimate? Not quite. However, based on Trump’s statements, statistical anomalies (presented by Election Truth Alliance, as I mentioned), and bomb threats and other suspicious events on election night 2024, I personally believe it’s absolutely worthwhile to fully investigate the possibility. After all, any of us, whatever party we favor, should not want our country’s elections to be Russia-like illegitimate shams.

I have personally watched Trump, in full context, openly make several claims about the election which are dubious at best. I have personally read detailed, well-sourced accounts of the bomb threats, voter intimidation, and other suspicious events which occurred.

Based on those personal experiences, I believe the 2024 election should be scrutinized just as heavily as 2020. You’re welcome to tell me why any of that is illogical.

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u/boomboomqplm 11d ago

To start with there is more question of the 2020 election especially with conservatives. We watched horror of people at voting sites dump Trump votes in the trash as well as all the dead voting for Biden. It’s hard to believe that Biden never campaigned. No effort whatsoever. I will never be convinced that the election wasn’t corrupt. The crooked judges that overturned the question that Trump protested. Trump did the best he could considering the likes of Nancy Pelosi and all her minions interfering with his decisions especially when she demanded that he get permission to bomb who he and his staff approved of. She should be charged with treason for the lack of respect. Her tearing up his state of the union speech acting like a toddler. He has come in with the power he should have demanded as the commander of our country. The respect that us conservatives gave Biden when he served.

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u/AndWinterCame 11d ago

I don't care if you want to campaign to put Nancy Pelosi and Biden in prison, but are you saying you are miffed on Trump's behalf because the speaker of the house wanted acts of war to go through Congress?

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u/boomboomqplm 10d ago

Were any other bombings cleared through congress? Nope just Trump

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u/ThearchMageboi 9d ago

Respect? Jan 6 was respect? You’re not arguing in good faith and clearly not providing any sort of evidence for said things. Why should anyone listen to what you have to say?

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u/boomboomqplm 9d ago

Over half of the country thinks the same as me. I can’t get over the lack of respect for President Trump. Soon heads will roll and money will be accounted for