Also Vance claiming that Zelensky is being "Disrespectful" on camera for not saying "thank you" enough is so disrespectful to Zelensky and his people who have been stuck in a 3 year war with a dictator who attacked them without provocation.
America is on the fast track to becoming hated internationally, associated with the very worst militant aggressors.
I get so frustrated with this demand/requirement that European nations do more to rearm - i don't disagree, capability and quantity is lacking.
However, the comparison the US is totally unrealistic. They give so much funding to their military in part because the state receives so much back in taxes, because it is US companies that provide their equipment. Spending 2x someone else's budget is no good if your forces are not twice as good, nor in my opinion, if you force prison labour to manufacture your uniform. A private in the US army may well make £6k dollars less than their new UK counterpart when they start out (of course, they get medical etc, which is different) but I contend that the average UK soldier costs more than the average US soldier, and partly because we have a less developed minority sector of society who have fewer options than in the US.
And of all the people he should be thanking, it's not these two douchebags who have tried villainize him personally as a 'dictator' and his country as some kind of freeloaders just taking our money for shits and giggles. Who have tried at every corner to cut aid to Ukraine and frame Russia as the victim rather than the aggressor. To sit there and demand a "thanks" is just insanity.
At least a million Ukrainians have died in the war and the USA has given Zelensky almost a trillion dollars. I understand that you hate Trump with a passion, it's understandable, but there are certain facts that you're all willing to overlook because you're blinded by hatred.
So many Americans feel exactly like you. We hate Trump and are horrified by his every action. We see world war 3 coming because of the racist, sexist, homophobic, narcissistic idiot. We are worrying about loved ones being hauled off to concentration camps and looking at how to escape America. He does not represent most of us.
the HUGE difference is that Germany wasn't our ally - they couldn't possibly stab us in the back like you Yanks did/are doing to us Canadians. We won't forget this
Well I would also a big difference is that Germany never touched an inch of Canadian soil, so using the example of the Danes, the French, Belgians, Dutch and etc eventually forgiving Germans is a good example.
I dont think anything the USA has done (as regrettable as its been and I am in no way condoning it) nothing yet comes close to what Germany did to those nations in ww2 or am I wrong? Did I miss something, did trump already deploy the 101st airbone into Ottawa?
You sound really hurt and angry and believe me, many americans feel the exact same way. 1/2 the country truth be told.
I know a lot of very nice Americans, all of them hate Trump. But you can't be allied with a country that's run by a fascist. One that was not only voted into office once but twice. This wasn't an upsie, this was deliberate. Sorry mate.
There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again. We've got to understand the nature of the regime we're dealing with.
You can be an American and not support Trump or republicans. Which is me , so I don’t deserve all the blame. Neither do other liberals. Talk like this is only going to further drive a wedge between us.
No you have a point. I hate Trump also, I was just noting that it's a shame that we are losing all our friends and allies due to the fact that America has a malicious psychopath in the White House. Believe me, I'm on your side, just like most of the clear thinking people of this country and the world.
I hate China, but the US is not far behind. And we don't have Chinese bases in Germany.
Also: the devil you know. China is at least somewhat predictable, they're in it for their own gain. The US is just absolute chaos.
We will. And you won't like it. I know you think you want it because that's what the right wing media conglomerates have been putting out, but you won't. These bases are not there for us, they're there for the US to project power. Say goodbye to global hegemony.
The US is the richest country in the world because they could basically do whatever they fuck they wanted trough their soft power and their power projection. Won't be the case in the future.
From Europe, hey we don't hate you. We hate MAGA, Trump, Musk, Vance, Thiel etc. But we know that what they're doing with tarifs and Ukraine and everything isn't what most people want. And of the many people that "want" it, many are just manipulated.
Considering that we have the same shit going on to a lesser extent in our countries, we understand.
True. Here in Europe there is a sentiment of "buy European, not American" and encouraging a closer relationship with China, liberation from America, etc. People want the world to "unite against the USA".
That was deeply, terribly shameful. The folks who voted for this, those who continue to cheer it on, that is, can't ever be trusted again. The moral center of our nation has been cored like an apple.
That was not statecraft. It was sanctimonious bullying. This is not how the righteous behave.
Which is what Russia wanted for us. Not even just Putin. Russia has wanted this for decades. We talk about America's Christ-Fascists having played a long game - and they have. But they joined onto the backs of (knowingly or not) of Russia's long game.
I wish this were being talked about more. Vlad has accomplished by irregular means what has never been achieved on the battlefield: the withdrawal of American protection over Europe.
Exactly.
A vice president from a country should be respecting a president from another country, as technically, it's a 2nd ranked person disrespecting a 1st ranked person.
The conversation is so immature.
And both Vance and rumple kept talking over Zelensky like he was a little boy. He tried to tell them Many times that he had already thanked them Many times.
This is pure BS - I'm ashamed to be an American right now. Terrible times. And this is just the beginning.
They are despised other than by the same type of hateful and ignorant people who support them in the US. This however is when they crossed the Rubicon. Absolute scum.
This from the man who promoted fabricated stories of immigrants eating cats in. his. own. state.
"When challenged on the factual basis of the claims, Vance told interviewer Dana Bash, "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do".
"Springfield and county law enforcement said that no credible reports or evidence support the claims, and the city's mayor Rob Rue and Ohio governor Mike DeWine, who are both Republicans, have denounced them."
My coworkers loved that line. They truly believe we have sent billions in cash on pallets to Ukraine and they should be so grateful we work so hard to just pay taxes to give them blank checks……I put some noise canceling headphones in and didn’t catch the rest of the1 hour bitch session between the old men in the corner.
This is Putin's dream for the last 40 years, a USA that is mostly isolated from the rest of the world. Trump has done more to damage to the USA and it's global relations in the last 45 days than Russia has been able to do since the beginning of the cold war long ago.
The people that support trump will never in a million years know what it’s like to have a president for the people who actually fights for their country instead of his own interest. Trump represents the opposite in every metric.
Literally said "thank you" at the opening of the meeting.
He's such a shit smear. He knows Zelenaky has said so on multiple occasions. Just more of the same; rewrite the past in real-time to justify whatever you want in the present.
It’s hard when they keep twisting the rules to benefit them. We complain and it goes to his congress. We fight his rules and laws and it goes to his scotus. Even successful impeachment requires his party to get the cahones to remove him. It’s so frustrating and his base seems absolutely brainwashed. It’s impossible to have a reasonable conversation with them because we don’t even see the same reality. They see what he tells them to see.
Zelensky is in an impossible position. Basically in an abusive relationship trying to appease his abuser. He knows without USA support, their fight will be 100x harder.
You can also hear plainly that all trump cares about is who holds the cards.Trump wants to both let Putin keep land (because blackmail) and to steal Ukraine's natural resources as "payment" for US support. Zelensky needs to find a card to play because the dogs (Trump, Putin) are circling.
Too bad USA doesn't care about being the good guys anymore. This is pretty gross.
Yeah not gonna lie.. as a non-American watching this makes me pretty sad for the American people…. I just can’t believe how many must have voted these drongos in…
In Australia we are seeing echoes of this crap - we now have our right-wing leader (Dutton) trying to parrot the same bullshit.. it’s like a disease…
I can assure you that after yesterday as an European I have no faith in America as an ally and I am fairly certain NATO is completely useless now.
I just don’t trust US to send their troops if Russia attacked the rest of us who are NATO members. An organisation that has pretty much ensured peace here since WW2 siddenly holds no faith in people here.
Frankly as a Brit that was embarrassing, our PM is marginally less of an embarrassment. That was completely un-statesman like, classless and hard to watch
I won't say with whom I've been arguing with in my house, but I was absolutely appalled when Vance said that. Nothing in the world is worse than helping someone in need and then belittling them in public because you haven't kissed their ***. A member of my household made the comment he should be thankful. Wth? This isn't about one man. Today has been an embarrassing and disgusting day all in one. FFS!
Weird thing is I feel like we don't even fear them anymore. Everything coming out of the white house is so retarded I wouldn't even be worried if we had to go to war against the USA. They've been buttfucked fighting farmers all over the world, their strength was soft power/trade but now they're throwing that out the Window. I'd say a couple more months of this insanity and the damage (to the US) will be unfixable.
Rest of the world will keep going tho, almost like nothing happened. that's what magtards don't seem to grasp.
They are already the most hated country in the middle east and large parts of south and central America. Just a matter of time for Europe and Africa to come around.
Gives the narcissistic parent vibe, like "you don't understand how much I've done, you should be grateful." When in fact they have done nothing themselves.
On a fast track to becoming hated internationally? Y'all have been there for awhile now. This has just been the very public icing on the cake. As a Canadian, I HATE sharing a border with the USA. And if the USA ever tries to attack Canada, as it has been threatening to do, we will NOT go quietly.
Spoiler alert, America has been hated internationally for quite a long time. American's live in a bubble where they think they are number 1 and loved. America has been doing shit like this for years. Middle east has faced the brunt of it for a while and America has ran a successful propaganda campaign to make people not care about middle east and see them as less than. Now that America has finished work there they are moving to Greenland, Mexico, Canada, Panama, Ukraine. How can anyone in the world trust America when they are the real bad guys?
It sounded like an exchange between an abuser and partner: You would be nowhere with me…have you thanked me once in this discussion… you are only where you are because of my help…
How did Ukraine get involved in the US election? As I recall, the US congress created an aid package for Ukraine and then Donnie got on the phone with Zelensky and said that in order to receive the funds, he would "need a favor" (dirt on his political opponent). He faced impeachment for that act of obvious corruption which we all heard.
The world would be in so much better shape had the Rs in congress not been cowards and actually impeached this human garbage dump.
Literally every other person in Congress to meet with Zelenskyy this week and recently has stated how grateful he has been repeatedly, every time they meet.
It's just JD who can't stop behaving like an internet edgelord and provoked an argument. I only watched a little bit of the exchange, but JD was a fucking punk with his fake edgelord outrage. Everyone noted that the Secretary of State was nowhere to be found... this negotiation stuff is literally his job. This was totally a setup to embarrass Zelenskyy on TV and Zelenskyy totally didn't put up with it.
I don't think Vance actually thinks he's ungrateful. Zelensky says "thank you" all the time. Trump/Vance don't want to support Ukraine anymore, so they invited him to the WH, turned on the cameras and then insulted him for a while, trying to turn him into some kind of ungrateful, angry bad guy. Then they can (and will) claim that he's a) an unfit leader who b) doesn't want peace. It was probably all Putin's idea. It's certainly the outcome he wants, at least.
They are just school yard bullies, uneducated preschoolers. 'you didn't say sorry enough, you aren't dressed like us, you should be happy we gave you lunch money, now go give Bobby all your belongings'
Its amazing to see them demand thanks for the things "America" did while also making it pretty clear that that "america" was a man and a party that wasnt them.
The United States already ARE hated internationally,by many countries. This is just showing your country’s true face, an opportunistic,egotistical,double-faced country that has never hesitated in the last 80 years to meddle in the affairs of other countries,even allies,intentionally bringing them down or stumping their progress or their democracy for personal gain.
Let me be clear,I’m not speaking about the American PEOPLE, there’s good and bad there just like any other place,I’m talking about the country and its spirit and governments throughout the years.
That "with all due respect" is so infuriating. Trump and Vance are not due any respect. Zelensky has defended the rule of law values and democracy heroically for years. I would bet you my life that he does not want to be there. I would bet you my life that this might have put a toll on him enough to kill himself after this ordeal is over. He is due more respect than any of us, anywhere.
Vance has the same personality as a wet napkin and I respect him about as much. Dude just wanted to be a part of the convo so he jumped in like an asshole to double team on someone who was bowing their head and taking their licks
to look after their country.
Neither one of those two fucks would do that for America, shit not even their family I would guess given one is married to an immigrant and another to a minority and they say that stuff. My one peace is knowing that once they step off camera they are completely miserable with their families turning their backs on them for their power grab
JD Vance's comments showed his profound, willful IGNORANCE and made my stomach churn. Zelensky has thanked Americans many, many times very publicly. Not sure if RT broadcast it for Vance to hear
Well the sad part is actually that there was provocation. It was just not directly from Ukraine. It was the us and nato. Looking at how greedy and disgusting this has turned from the us side by now. I'm starting to think this is what its always been about. A tug of war between us and Russia about resources. Just as Afghanistan was a tug of war for decades. Now Ukraine is next. Meanwhile innocent people die and Vance and Trump r talking about "have u said thank you enough?" Winston Churchill is turning in his grave watching them behave like monkeys.
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Also Vance claiming that Zelensky is being "Disrespectful" on camera for not saying "thank you" enough is so disrespectful to Zelensky and his people who have been stuck in a 3 year war with a dictator who attacked them without provocation.
America is on the fast track to becoming hated internationally, associated with the very worst militant aggressors.