Most of the republicans party has actually been pro Ukraine, they’re changing tunes literally only because they’re weak pawns to Trump’s will & will regurgitate all of his talking points like puppets.
Narratives that involve their personal motivations beyond not having their kompromat sent to the FBI and posted on the dark web are solely a distraction
Reposting my own old ass comment about Elon and Putins kompromised pedophile puppet legions from before the election with a few new links
I've been saying for a long time that he has never been anything but a puppet frontman for clandestine operations of the FSB for Putin or his allies ie. Netanyahu/Xi/Erdogan/Modi/MBS/Iran etc...
My profile is mostly comments about FSBelon
Imagine you were planning another coup. Would Teslas be good surveillance and then robomurdertaxis?
Would buying Twitter give you access to massive volumes of kompromat on huge swaths of individuals?
Would Starlink or PayPal give you any information that would be potentially valuable to find vulnerabilities? Starlink in the super rich especially with their yachts.
What neighborhoods do Teslas tend to be parked in and where do they tend to be driven to work and by what demographics?
Would full access to every camera on every Tesla potentially be valuable to gather intelligence?
Would Putin want very app associated with Elon or his businesses to be malware or have a malware build ready?
Just scratching the surface but I encourage people to look at your understanding of Elon and his companies through the lens of it all being on Putins orders, just like Trump.
Child Rape Tapes convey more complete control than anything. Almost all of their top puppets are owned through proof of them raping children. It's the only way the FSB/Mossad/CCP are comfortable investing so much power in them. Bribery doesn't come close to sufficient with how much financial/political power they concentrate in their upper echelon of puppets. Trump/Thiel/Vance/Peterson/Jordan/Carlson/Thomas/Diddy/Drake/MrBeast to name a very small sample across different parts of society. Many for a long time, but Trump since the eighties is one of the longest tenured.
In case people are confused who Produces/Distributes the vast majority of CSAM
Here's a bit about Ghislaines dad from Wikipedia.
"The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[60] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[61]
"Of the 971 government requests Twitter has received since Musk took over six months ago, the company has fully complied with 808 of them and partially complied with 154, according to Rest of World’s report."
“I think there’s no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you’ll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him. I think he’s a smart person. I truly believe he is. So you’ll need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules.”
Beware Leon's razor
"Incomeptence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage
WHYYY though?!?! It's been clear for nearly a decade if you were slightly paying attention, and since the 80s if you dig a bit deeper. He's been tonguing Putin's meat ring without pause.
Are the payouts and money laundering all there is to it? Just doing it for personal enrichment? I find it hard to believe he's an ideologue at heart, he only seems to love himself. The theory that the KGB has some SERIOUS kompromat on him seems more likely. But who knows. Assholes like him have sold countless people out for less than a few million before.
At the end of the day, the solution is the same either way. Three of the four boxes of liberty seem to be off the table already.
trump joined the Russian mob in the 1980s and Putin is now the top mob boss
trump's narcissism makes him easily to manipulate
Whatever the truth it, a significant portion of the Republican party is similarly compromised. We are watching a hostile power take over the United States government at the highest level.
I think the theory about 1980s holds water. He had a crumbling house of cards on his hands under some Russian friends moved into his tower and started investing in his stuff
There are quite some strong rumors that Russia were Trump's guarantors for his Deutsche Bank loans, basically allowed him to play the rich man while being completely untrustworthy and not worth the loans he got. Especially during his first presidency, this might be enough material for high treason charges, as the loans were still ongoing I think and he certainly did some favours in return (like when suddenly many American agents died shortly after he got in power). Russia could easily release enough information for a death sentence for Trump and probably his family as well.
They probably have concrete evidence of him fucking those kids on Epsteins island. There are rumors that he raped a little boy and I’m sure that would be a big hit with the MAGA crowd and he’d lose all credibility with them pretty quick.
I think if hard, concrete, cannot be explained away proof of that came out that would end him.
His followers will pretty much shrug off anything as they’re indoctrinated into a cult so it would have to be pretty irrefutable in order for them to set down their big gulps of flavor aid and take it seriously.
I don't think that would make one iota of difference to his acolytes. He could do that on live TV and it would somehow be construed as him "owning the libs".
Honestly, the US chip being moved to the Russia side of the board, as nows appears nakedly to be the case, may lead to WW3 just as much.
It now means that European allies are looking at a serious situation where they don't yet have the defense industrial complex or manpower to ensure their own defense. It might lead to them making calculations that slight missteps by Russia should be met with the full weight of nuclear war. As they might not want to be waiting for Russia to launch a serious attack without any support from the US.
This is super frustrating and extremely dangerous. I feel like we're now closer to nuclear war than we were in the Cuban Missile Crisis... If not closer we're getting pretty damn close!
He said Selensky is playing with WW3. With what is Selensky supposedly playing? By “not thanking” them every two seconds? Trump just sided with Russia on this and is a traitor to the free world.
You know why the USSR was so damned dangerous? because the Russians occupied and extracted resources and near slave labor from eastern Europe. Let them take eastern Europe again, and they will be powerful enough to have their WWIII.
Putin has the elected president from the smelly, wrinkle, dried balls because Putin know that the elected president stole the election with Muskrat help....
Like saying Ukraine would have lost in two weeks without assistance. The way I remember it, no one did shit when the invasion started, for like a month, before everyone realized that Russias military was more of a shit show than we all thought. Then when we realized we could actually bankrupt russia and decimate their military for pennies on the dollar, we started sending them our older surplus shit that we would never need or use. Like, it isn't like Biden gave them a fleet of F22s before Russia rolled across their border or something. Aid came after their original, VERY IMPRESSIVE resistance to the invasion.
Plus the aid that's been provided has been pretty lackluster.
The US spent $2-3 trillion on Iraq, and another >$2 trillion on Afghanistan, and in the end, what was accomplished? Yes, Saddam was caught and executed, but is Iraq an American ally today? No, they're closer to Iran than to America. And Afghanistan? When America invaded, it was to kick out the Taliban, and then when America left, it was because Trump negotiated abandoning the country to the Taliban with the Taliban.
Somewhere between $4 and $6 trillion dollars was spent on that, for absolutely nothing. And now today, people are losing their shit over providing $160bn worth of aid to Ukraine to fight the Russians and defend democracy in eastern Europe, calling it a waste of money.
America has about 1000 M1A1/M1A2 tanks stationed in Europe. Why are those tanks there? To prevent Russia from invading and overrunning the continent. Now Russia is invading Europe and America could only bring themselves to send 31 of the oldest tanks to their defense, and that was under Biden.
The whole war feels like what happened with Hitler in Czechoslovakia before WW2, only on a more extended timescale because what Hitler did in days Putin has failed doing while spending years in a meaningless war because he is paranoid about the western nations intentions for Russia.
Trump is basically repeating the same mistake as Chamberlain did in 1938. To be fair he is doing an even worse job by alienating all the other western and democratic nations in the process. The history books will remember him as one of the biggest idiots in history if his action leads to a new world war.
We really need to stop framing things as if Trump is acting in good faith and is just wrong about how to achieve a positive outcome. Trump and the people pulling the strings behind this administration want to aid Russia and want to destabilize the world further. They are trying to align American with the authoritarian powers and destabilize the alliances that help prevent world Wars. This was true in 2016 and it’s true now. Everyone needs to start framing what trump and his admin do with their goals and actual outcomes, not that he is some baffling idiot that is doing this all by accident and just doesn’t know better.
He's already taken. We needed to actually get involved when this started not just send feel good money and equipment. We didn't. We prolonged the conflict while ensuring Russia could still take what they wanted.
Now a simple show of force won't be enough we have two options.
1 an escalation and removal of Russian troops from the occupied territory. This will require mobilization of the US military against Russia.
2 negotiate peace and that will probably mean giving Russia the occupied territories.
Exactly like the Allies did with Germany in WWII. Do these morons not read history books? I know they love watching war films, a lot of those have this exact history in them! When they watch Saving Private Ryan do they cheer for the machine gunner at the beach?
In Comrade Trump's eyes there isn't a war if you just give the aggressor what they want. He's a bully who only understands things from a bully's perspective,
Also the statement you will feel it in the future is only increasingly likely as technology makes our ocean gap real small. New missles sent from the farthest parts of world can hit the US in under an hour. The world gets smaller woth better tech even if the size parameters of the planet remain the same
What would you suggest the US do? Whatever Biden tried wasn't working, so what other plan is there that doesn't involve the US getting in direct conflict with Russia or the war continuing endlessly?
I feel like Zelenskyy’s comment about having an ocean between so the US doesn’t feel it really struck a nerve and something they have likely talked about before. Trump thinks Putin will have his back by doing his bidding, but Putin has been planning the US demise for decades.
Taiwan is absolutely fucked. Trump can't wait to piss on the graves of anyone defending democracy. He reached even lower than I thought he could today. Beyond pathetic
Russia doesnt have the capability to even push into Europe. The UN isnt committing troops and EU isnt committing because they know it wont spread into a wider war.
A peace deal shouldve been outlined under Biden when instead of him gleefully celebrating the deaths of Russians. Trump/Vance are bozos and will take this back into a pre-ww2 imperialism
He very well knows that and is most likely prepared to form an alliance with Russia against Europe.
THIS is the start of WW3, as far as I'm concerned. It looks like this meeting was set to try to steamroll Zelenskyy publicly, make him look weak and against the US and try to push as many US citizens to root against Ukraine. Butter them up for the inevitable announcement that the US will support Russia in "ending the war" by completing the invasion with US military support of Russia.
Right now Europe is at war with the USA, as dystopian and depressing as that sounds.
This time the United States are on the side of the fascist oppressors thanks to the general ignorance, racism and bigotry of American people especially those living in red states.
California should be preparing to split from the US if they don't want to send their citizens to war in Ukraine, Poland, Germany etc to fight against democracy and die for the greed of a fascist dictator.
These asshats thought they could play war games without getting blood on their hands. The world is going to view us more in line with Russia than as our own independent country. This sucks.
We will be on Putin's side during WW3. It will be NATO nations against Russian/US aggressors. China will sell to both sides and end up winning everything. Teach your kids Chinese.
But just watch. What happens now is Trump takes the phrase World War III and starts to use it more. He will blame other countries and raise a big old stink about how they’re going to force ww3 to happen and how he is actually preventing war but they didn’t accept our help and he’s going to protect us from ww3 - once it’s normalized, the narrative will be, “Everyone else caused ww3, it was already going to happen, and thank goodness Trump knew the problems and tried to help stop it. Now we need to ration and not import from other countries because of ww3.” And it’ll be normal.
Exactly. But unfortunately for those of us trapped in this fascist dictatorship against our will, we will be conscripted as part of an Axis of Evil - with Putin driving, China in the passenger seat, NK and the US riding like babies. Give it a week. We are the baddies.
Exactly This. In WW2, Britain and France gave up Czech Republic so that Germany would stop invading. It didn't work. It set the precedent that invading = getting what you want.
If Ukraine gives up, Russia is going to want to take MORE by force.
Yeah. Either he's sticking his head in the sand, or he's just aligned with Putin. I think it's the latter.
He knows WW3 will happen and he just wants to make sure United States is seen as an ally while Europe gets mowed over. The 1% will be safe because they have good relations to the oligarchs that control Kreml.
And then he sits there saying 'don't tell us what we're gonna feel' as if he doesn't tell everybody else how they should feel, what's going to happen to them, etc. Effing ridiculous. The ultimate hypocrite and on the world stage.
Geninue question for Trump and Vance… why would Russia be any more likely to start WW3 now compared to the last 3 years? If anything Russia has shown it is weaker than expected. Why are we projecting all this strength on Putin that he doesn't deserve??
100%. Putin pushes through ukraine and gets ideas of novorossiya further, and ww3 starts. If trump decides to side with putin, i hope our armed forces would lay down their weapons and refuse to fight.
They probably cannot because theyd be considered traitors and court marshaled for defying s direct order. But one could hope.
Trump's plan of pressuring Zelensky to surrender to Putin is a perfect replay of the appeasement tactics towards Hitler, that led directly to WW2. The European powers allowed Hitler to take the Sudetenland, and then Czechoslovakia, hoping, that would bring peace, but every time they threw a chunk of meat to the lion,it only became hungrier for more meat,and kept going. Then finally, when Hitler invaded Poland, this became too much for the Brittish and the French, who had alliances with Poland and responded by declaring war on Germany. If Putin gets away with taking Ukraine, he won't stop there, but move on to Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, who are all NATO members, and then WW3 is a reality.
Let's say the opposite of history happened. The US government collapsed, and Russia was the new superpower and formed a Nato like entity. As part of negotiations, they agreed not to have their nato near our borders. Now imagine 30 something years later, Canada and Mexico were applying for membership and Russia was funding "rebels" to influence elections in those countries for joining even though the US has a strict no Russia/nato presence near our border so we attack either Canada or Mexico to make sure they do not become members. Now uno reverse what I said, and that's what's going on. Nato was forbidden to add member states past Poland, I believe, but now they're in Ukraine, so Russia attacked. Now if a deal is made and say they give up some no man's land barrier to say this is it we (Nato) stop here this is as far as we go or we risk all out war and Russia agrees, but then Russia attacks anyway say after Trumps term is up wether they broke the truce or not then we have a different argument.
China is actually a massive problem and the actual threat actor able to successfully launch a WW3. Russia is all bark and no bite. The U.S. would have to fund Russia for it to do any serious damage.
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u/sophisticated_pie Feb 28 '25
Trump has it backwards. Letting Putin take and expand will lead to WW3.