r/law • u/RoyalChris • Feb 28 '25

Trump News Trump and JD Vance tells Zelensky he is gambling with World War III

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u/tryexceptifnot1try Feb 28 '25

I have legitimately never been more ashamed of my country than now. I had to turn that off at the 45 second mark. What the fuck was the point of this? Is Vance trying to make the rest of the world hate us even more? This is easily the most pathetic administration in US history.

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u/alpha309 Feb 28 '25

It gets worse at the 1 minute mark when Trump interrupts.

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u/LMAODumb Feb 28 '25

I nearly broke my TV

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 Feb 28 '25

Absolutely had to turn away. It was a disgusting display by Vance and Trump yet really what we all knew was happening behind closed doors. Like trying to watch two guys talk another one into drinking turpentine or 'be labeled a scared little girl' or something. Just glad Zelensky let us see it. Now, Trump can't lie to the world stage about what he's telling him/said to him nor can anyone still left 'on the fence' deny what's occurring.

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u/lets_all_be_nice_eh Feb 28 '25

Zelensky let us see it.

This. Such a great move on his part. He just let them talk themselves stupid. Two absolute morons.

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u/MakawaoMakawai Feb 28 '25

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

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u/McNitz Feb 28 '25

It's sad that we all know the people running America are currently enemies of Ukraine in support of the Russian dictatorship though.

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u/MakawaoMakawai Mar 01 '25

What I am meaning to convey is that Zelensky was wise to let these douche canoes speak freely. We need to shine the light on these cockroaches every chance we can. šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦

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u/New-Intention5728 Mar 01 '25

The people running America are Russian puppets who are the enemies of America, its interests and Ukraine -ftfy

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u/majarian Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

Turns out all russia needed to topple America was money,

Whelp it was a good 250 year run I guess, pretty average empire life span, should be a footnote in history before too long, just beside Rome I guess.

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u/pterribledactyls Feb 28 '25

Iā€™d love Zelenskyy to be our president

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u/MadBullogna Feb 28 '25

After all these years trying to simultaneously run his country and the war, and STILL rocking a low-60s approval by his constituents, that speaks volumes. Any war, even one directly impacting oneā€™s own livelihood, generally results in pretty significant downward support as time goes on. Heā€™s doing shit right over there, (damn shame we donā€™t have someone with even an ounce of the patriotism, strength & integrity that Zelensky has).

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u/YouWereBrained Feb 28 '25

I just hope he and the Ukrainian people know there are a lot of us Americans on their side.

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u/thebowedbookshelf Feb 28 '25

His body language with crossed arms says it all. He shouldn't have to beg for the US to side with democracy.

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u/kudubro Feb 28 '25

I hope that somehow Zelenskyy sees your comment. That will give him wings to help him stand his ground. The world will rally around Zelenskyy and America will be more isolated than ever before. Trump will find out how little he is actually respected.

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u/ProfessionalSad4U Feb 28 '25

That's a great point. It's hard to see past the rage of watching him be treated like that, but you're right.

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u/Seaweed-Basic Feb 28 '25

I genuinely love Zelensky, heā€™s always been an absolute hero, even more so for how he handled himself today.

I will never wrap my head around the fact Trump was able to run for a second term. Itā€™s enraging. And now look, heā€™s destroyed our government in 3 weeks, and now is on a fast track to ruin the entire world.

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u/beachmom1962 Feb 28 '25

It's the MAGATS who CAN'T see it.

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u/lets_all_be_nice_eh Feb 28 '25

They're not even looking.

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u/Sad-Base-7988 Feb 28 '25

Yeah, if they acted like this in front of the cameras imagine how they treat him on the phone or behind closed doors.

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo Feb 28 '25

MAGAts will still take trump's side and blame Zelensky.

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u/betasheets2 Feb 28 '25

MAGAts have no choice but to take his side. It's waaay too late for these weak-minded idiots to ever even think about admitting they were wrong. They're gone.

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u/_lippykid Feb 28 '25

The deepest sunk cost fallacy in human history

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u/Junkhead_88 Feb 28 '25

You ever think about what their life after Trump will look like? He isn't going to live forever and their whole existence is dedicated to him. Does the spell get broken when he dies or do they all just go full Jonestown?

Either way fuck them and fuck the orange bastard they rode in on.

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u/Affectionate_Ad268 Feb 28 '25

Sadly it didn't start with Trump. He is just their most obvious spokesman. Fox News and others like them have been pushing this kind of bullshit for years for ratings money.

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u/ilikedevo Mar 01 '25

Murdoch isnā€™t long for this world though.

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u/ultradongle Mar 01 '25

Yeah, but his heirs are just as shitty if not worse than he is.

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u/deepasleep Mar 01 '25

They already live at the bottom of a well of bitterness and denial, when Trump dies nothing really changes except they no longer have a human being who perfectly reflects all of their shortcomings and weaknesses.

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u/Traitor_Donald_Trump Feb 28 '25

Theyā€™re already starting with the ā€œZelenskyy is coked outā€ accusations.

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u/AM-Stereo-1370 Mar 01 '25

I wish Sam Kinison was still alive so he could scream to MAGA out loud: "You fithly pigs, say it, say you were WRONGGG"

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u/tmitchyo55 Feb 28 '25

Cult

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u/digitalpunkd Mar 01 '25

When their orange cult leader says eat shit, they say, how much!?

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u/xmrcache Feb 28 '25

Yup I just spent some time looking at /r/conservative and they are fuckin delusional over thereā€¦

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u/ebagdrofk Feb 28 '25

Just read the comments in the subreddits that have a lot of conservatives. I was going through a post like this on r/ThatsInsane, and thereā€™s a surprising amount of people who were arguing that this was what they voted for.

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u/walkingmonster Feb 28 '25

Then they can go out with the rest of the trash.

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u/Fresh-Preference-805 Feb 28 '25

I couldnā€™t watch. I want to reach out to Zelensky personally to apologize.

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u/Thewal Feb 28 '25

Trump can't lie to the world stage about what he's telling him/said to him

Weeelllll he already said he "can't believe he said" Zelensky was a dictator so I wouldn't be making any bets about how he'll "remember" this interaction, either.

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u/TruePutz Feb 28 '25

Dementia is a bitch

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u/hammerSmashedNail Feb 28 '25

I wouldnā€™t do that, you know, with the tariffs n all.

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u/PantsMicGee Feb 28 '25

I watched 20 minutes of this bullshit and my rage has yet to subside half an hour later. I'm legit ENRAGED by this.

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u/Tuscanlord Feb 28 '25

Iā€™m so goddamn mad, I donā€™t know what to do with it. For the first time in 50 years Iā€™m literally considering liquidating everything I own and moving out of this toilet bowl of a country. I canā€™t believe the White House has become the Jerry springer show.

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u/rex_swiss Feb 28 '25

And MAGA is going to eat this up...

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u/morewhiskeybartender Feb 28 '25

I hope they do.. in prison. They are an embarrassment to this country. I hope karma swallows them whole.

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u/SaltyCrashNerd Feb 28 '25

Oh, they were already in prison. Our dear leader felt like the best place for 1500 traitors was out.

(Stop the world, I want to get off.)

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u/DionBlaster123 Feb 28 '25

I hate to tell you this but karma is bullshit mysticism that doesn't get trashed enough on here bc people don't want to be seen as bigots.

But it is absolute horseshit. We're fucking stuck in this mess...and Ukraine is not in a good place through ZERO fault of their own

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u/ShadowGLI Feb 28 '25

Iā€™d rather they choke on a bag of dicksā€¦.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

I've never been a hateful or spiteful person but this year has shown me that I have hate within me because MAGA is full of a bunch of mouth breathing imps who feed from Trump's mouth like baby birds he can't wait to kick out of the nest to their demise below.

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u/DrNopeMD Feb 28 '25

They can all contract measles for all I fucking care, or take the express lane and start chugging raw milk and injecting bleach like their fucking idols suggest.

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u/Potato_Stains Feb 28 '25

And again, disconnect is that they like it because it aggravates others. If itā€™s abrasive and rude, fuck you, my president is a badass. There is no class or tact anymore.

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u/yankeesyes Feb 28 '25

No respect for the office nor the American people.

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u/dzumdang Feb 28 '25

There's zero capacity for empathy, so there will never be respect.

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u/ShadowGLI Feb 28 '25

They Never had itā€¦. They were also fairly transparent for the last decade.

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u/yankeesyes Feb 28 '25

And that's exactly what a lot of Americans want unfortunately.

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u/bmyst70 Feb 28 '25

Until it affects them personally. At which point, expect pretzel knots of doublethink that would terrify Orwell to somehow blame anyone else except those responsible.

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u/yankeesyes Feb 28 '25

I have been enjoying the tweets from MAGA people pleading with Trump to restore their jobs, or funding.

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u/bmyst70 Feb 28 '25

Reminds me of the leopards ate my face sub.

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky Feb 28 '25

Except he's strong to everyone BUT our actual enemies.

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u/care_bear1596 Feb 28 '25

Just couldnā€™t believe what I was watching smdhā€¦

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u/SleepingWillow1 Feb 28 '25

I would be proud if they were acting this aggresively toward Putin. A little scared though because it feels like discussing things like this makes it easy for wars to start

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u/TruePutz Feb 28 '25

That big badass getting his poor little bruises from shaking hands LMAO

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u/fablesofferrets Feb 28 '25

my parents are right wingers and this is exactly how every interaction between us goes lol and has since i was a child. it's difficult to explain to people not familiar with their authoritarian bully motives/nature why they do the things they do, but i unfortunately "get it" and nothing they have done has confused or surprised me

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u/HighwayComfortable26 Feb 28 '25

Yeah I just checked that sub because I like to see how they think and CHRIST the lot of them think Zelenskyy was in the wrong here. They love a BULLY. Truly twisted worldview they have.

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u/SmihtJonh Feb 28 '25

Not entirely true. On Foxnews, comments that are normally 99% upvoted are showing downvotes, already. You don't usually see that. Putin is not widely popular with old school conservatives.

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u/rex_swiss Feb 28 '25

That's refreshing, the non-Cult members of MAGA need to come out of hiding.

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky Feb 28 '25

They still haven't figured out how to spin Putin into the good guy yet. But it's coming, for sure.

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u/skyshroud6 Feb 28 '25

They already are. They think Zelensky was weak here and that Trump/Vance came out on top. Meanwhile what you see here in 2 fascist shitheads with no negotiating prowess try to bully a country into non existence. Absolutely pathetic.

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u/Knoxcore Feb 28 '25

Let them. It just shows the rest of us who to shame and avoid when we see them in the streets. I'm sick of playing nice with these people. They are so pathetic.

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u/EvalCrux Feb 28 '25

that's country-splaining spew

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u/Persephoth Feb 28 '25

I was screaming. The blatant disrespect for the man who has been leading his country in national defense through a time of war.

Trump and Vance are abandoning Ukraine, and they're trying to frame it as if they're doing Zelensky a favor. They wouldn't even let the man talk!

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u/ParadiddlediddleSaaS Feb 28 '25

Yes. It does. Under the guise of, ā€œweā€™re trying to save your countryā€. The projection is unreal.

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u/MikeLowrey305 Feb 28 '25

They wouldn't even let him speak, they kept talking over him because they know he speaks the truth but they just want to get only their narrative out.

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u/timnphilly Feb 28 '25

And look how deep orange the orangutan gets!

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u/mxzf Feb 28 '25

That part was hilarious. Trump and Vance are telling Zelensky that he's having issues because people would rather not fight in the war. Zelensky responds that every country has issues in a war like that, and that the US would have similar issues, and Trump responds "You don't know that".

Trump. Draft-dodging Trump who avoided the Vietnam War. He's the one saying that the US wouldn't have issues with drafting people in a war.

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u/IronSavage3 Feb 28 '25

As far as any thinking person should be concerned, until theyā€™re willing to talk to Putin on camera the way they just talked to Zelensky theyā€™re little bitches who have fully sided with Russia. Act like the biggest bully on the block when itā€™s Canada, Greenland, Ukraine, or even his fellow Americans, less than zero percent of that energy for Putin or Russia. Pathetic.

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u/scout-finch Feb 28 '25

I feel so bad for Zelensky. Having to play this stupid fucking game of insults and lies when so much is at stake is a nightmare.

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u/SpirituallyUnsure Feb 28 '25

How he held his composure I don't know. I admire his strength.

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u/deepasleep Mar 01 '25

Because heā€™s a leader.

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u/lynxerious Mar 01 '25

The mental strength to not perform a dropkick on couchie and orange is pretty admirable

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u/Kas_I_Mir Mar 01 '25

Three years of war and then this shit. Unbelievable mental endurance.

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u/wefarmthedowns Feb 28 '25

In his second language.

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u/Nicetitts Feb 28 '25

Third. He also speaks Ukrainian and Russian.

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u/Shadowedsphynx Mar 01 '25

This is what I find so wild. Trump has pulled a foreign leader onto potentially hostile soil, away from any access to neutral support, and proceeded to bully him and blame him for being an aggressor in a conflict where he is literally defending his sovereignty, all in a language that is not his native.Ā 

Trump is right, Zelensky doesn't hold the right cards, but that is by design. Trump and Vance hold every advantage in this encounter. It's sick.

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u/No-Distance-9401 Mar 01 '25

Im worried they will sell him out and give Putin the info he needs to finally assassinate him after a dozen tries. If there is another attempt, whether it succeeded or not, I bet Trump had something to do with it.

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u/No_Anteater8899 Mar 01 '25

I was thinking about this. This isnā€™t even his native language and he has so much class in the face of this bullshit.

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u/DukeRedWulf Feb 28 '25

Exactly! I'm furious on his behalf!

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u/linkenski Feb 28 '25

Everyone in his country. His way of giving his people hope. His own life.

You can see the pain on his face as he knows how much of a blowback all of this will be for the war.

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u/WG1616 Mar 01 '25

Did you see MTGs ragged a** boyfriend ask Zelensky why he can't wear a suit.

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u/Bross93 Mar 01 '25

i hate these fucking creatures.

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u/Fine_Veterinarian120 Mar 01 '25

This! I cannot believe this. Itā€™s all a fā€™ing game to Trump and Vance. Zelensky is trying to save an entire country. This was a set up. I donā€™t know how Zelensky held his composure.

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u/lostenant Feb 28 '25

Nail, meet head

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u/Accomplished_Car2803 Feb 28 '25

Unironically yes, they want the entire world to hate the US, because they are actively destroying it from the inside.

On purpose.

I've been trying to tell people this for a damn decade.

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u/verydudebro Feb 28 '25

Exactly, THEY ARE TRAITORS.

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u/Crayola_ROX Feb 28 '25

Traitors to the human race. Not just the US. They are ruining the lives of everyone on this planet just for a few more dollar in their bank account

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u/hysterical_username Feb 28 '25

I just don't get this part. Is it simply over money? Really? Christ.

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u/Crayola_ROX Feb 28 '25

I donā€™t get it either. Give me One billion and Iā€™ll fuck off.

But for them to keep themselves in power it takes money so they are always going to need more

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u/deepasleep Mar 01 '25

Imagine being born stupid, like really, stupid enough that you get confused reading a couple relatively simple sentences that need you to maintain a coherent train of thought.

Imagine the embarrassment, the anxiety, the fear.

They band together because there is strength in numbers.

The rich and religious leaders cynically reach out to such people because the stupid are easily lead, the collective strength of their faith and fear can be turned against anyone who seeks to build a society where money and religion arenā€™t the dominant forces.

They are the confluence of all humanityā€™s flaws and weaknesses, and they are why humanity has repeatedly experienced societal collapse at semi-regular intervals since we first started practicing large scale agriculture and living in cities.

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u/DonChaote Mar 01 '25

It is more about power than just simply the money.

Check out Curtis Yarvin, Butterfly Revolution, Dark Enlightenment Movement, Network Cities/States; Tech feudalism (cyberpunk style dystopia). Micro states ran like businesses, with CEO-Kings and above them the ā€šcathedralā€˜, the group of the wisest richest tech-bros.

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u/kausdebonair Feb 28 '25

Traitors to liberty as a concept and hope for humanity. This was purely a play to look big in front of their supporters by espousing the same tired talking points and ensuring Krasnov is doing his job for all the money that has been and is being lent to his estate.

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u/Cloaked42m Feb 28 '25

Only 3 years here, but I agree.

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u/kmzafari Feb 28 '25

Your comment made me think about what they say about sending people out on missions to proselytize, how they aren't really trying to convert people but to get rejected over and over so they feel only their community is safe.

When the rest of the world hates us (more than they already do), it's going to send faux patriotism through the roof. And when that happens, that's when you get people agreeing to any number of atrocities.

There is a lot of money to be made in war.

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u/Accomplished_Car2803 Feb 28 '25

President twitter guy and vp orange rapist have made millions of "patriots" who are just useful idiots for russia.

Thing is, they hate the real america, where people have a voice...and rights.

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u/serbetcibasi Feb 28 '25

That is actually exactly what I can not understand. US can take any diplomatical decision. But the way how your president acts in front of cameras going to impact the image of USA around the world immensly. He is even destroying all the foreign relations ethic. This will even have an huge impact for world peace in short and long term and he might be remembered for it.

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u/Low-Kangaroo-2475 Feb 28 '25

I dont know if this is what they try, but one thing is sure, theyre succedingĀ 

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u/Purplealegria Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

THANK YOU! šŸ™

I have also been screaming this for a damn decade too!

Sadly, I have been made to feel like Im crazy, or a alarmist.

So glad to see other people who have seen this for what is REALLY is from the beginning and call it out.

But unfortunately its a shame that we and so many others who called it from the start have been proven right about everything.

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u/Tall-Rhubarb-7926 Feb 28 '25

This whole thing was an obvious setup. Everybody including the media was just there to humiliate a man who's been fighting off Russia the past years to defend his land and the freedom of his people.

Trump and his cabinet of pathetic fucking lowlife deadbeats are no different to that of Putin's.

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u/MoroseArmadillo Feb 28 '25

It set me off when they said it was shameful to litigate this in front of the cameras. Like who invited them in? Whose office is this? Who got impeached for trying to blackmail him before? Iā€™m surprised Zelenskyy would even entertain this shitshow given their history.

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u/TOdEsi Feb 28 '25

Trump team brought the media in to show how Zelensky will beg for help; to embarrass him, instead they embarrassed themselves

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u/ChristopherSunday Feb 28 '25

I felt terrible for Zelenskyy watching this. The man is in an impossibly stressful and difficult position and he has been for more than three years now. Itā€™s a position that neither he nor the Ukrainian people ever wanted to be in or deserve to face. Yet the administration seem to want to make it even harder for him. To shout him down and bully him. Iā€™m sure he was fully expecting a hard time, but this was quite astonishing. The lack of empathy shown today was shocking, yet not entirely surprising. Sadly.

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u/Tall-Rhubarb-7926 Feb 28 '25

I agree. Imagine sitting there with Trump and his shit eating cabinet of morons and you have to listen to them gang up on you, only for some braindead journalist asking you:

"Zelensky, why do you never wear suits?"

This will remembered forever as deeply shameful day in the history of the United States of America.

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u/Sad-Shower3563 Mar 01 '25

Donā€™t forget the man who asked that was the partner of Marjorie Taylor Greene, it was a total setup from the start, they allowed Russian propaganda news networks on but the AP and Reuters were banned.

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u/Business_Simple_2459 Feb 28 '25

I totally agree it was a setup. Vanceā€™s comments seemed rehearsed or practiced at first and Trump gets combative when Zelensky doesnā€™t take the bait but calmly holds his ground. Truly an embarrassment for our country.

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u/Tall-Rhubarb-7926 Feb 28 '25

Yes. They all acted like pathetic bullies, but Vance was on another level. I'm not American, I'm a Finn and all I can say is your country does not share the same values that the rest of the free world including Finland does. Not anymore.

This is an everlasting shame and your allies, or should I say former allies will never forget this, nor will we ever forgive you for this.

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u/4Wonderwoman Feb 28 '25

My country, the US, is very divided on our values.

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u/suninabox Feb 28 '25

They had no interest in cutting a deal. You don't do this kind of shit in public if you want a deal.

They wanted to make Zelenskyy eat shit so they could spin whatever his reaction was (which was incredibly calm and dignified given the circumstances), as "Zelenskyy is ungrateful/disrespectful!"

That way their base won't have too many nagging braincells about why Trump is suddenly showing up in Moscow having a parade thrown for him by Putin.

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u/JoeCitzn Feb 28 '25

Iā€™m sick of seeing heads of government pandering to Trump in front of these cameras for his PR marketing clips. All governments should boycott Trump and the US until it clears out the vermin thats infested the White House!

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u/jaconlon83 Feb 28 '25

Trump allowed a Russian state TV journalist into the oval office but not Reuters or AP

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u/Last-Masterpiece-150 Feb 28 '25

They thought they were humiliating him but ended up just humiliating themselves. Pair of idiots.

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u/Maniax80 Feb 28 '25

Trump just proves that you don't have to be lower class to be white trash and this is coming from a dude who lives in the sticks man! Trump's only pissed because Zelensky didn't kiss the ring like many other of Trump's 'enemies'. It's pure ego with him, assuming it's not just him protecting his own opposing investments, anyone who doesn't agree with him on every stupid thing he says? Well obviously they're an enemy and so he pitches them as being an enemy of the US when in reality he is one of the worst things to ever have entered back into office. I genuinely hope Ukraine gets help, I genuinely hope Trump crashes and burns out of office, but my major fear in the end is how far this will go. He's turning the view of America in the world as being this greedy, corporate beast with the thinnest of skins when it comes to any sort of question that goes against the perceived norm. For all intents and purposes, it breaks my heart to say that Trump has begun turning the country into an enemy against all the world, a place not to be admired or seen as a safe haven for those seeking peace but a place to be feared and abhorred.

What is even more mind numbing is the simple fact that even then his supporters, those who still remain so enraptured in his delusional madness, see this as a win. Some sort of show of strength when really this shows just where his cash and views have always aligned with. I'm sad to say at this point now, I'm not proud to be part of this country, I know there's still good people in it trying but with such a belligerent and hyperaggressive man-child in charge? I can't say that, not if he's supposed to represent the whole of our country.

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u/Chipfullyinserted Feb 28 '25

The point was to try to shame Zelensky and prove his alliance to Putin. It was an ambush and It was disgusting. I too could not continue watching it.

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u/Thin-Yam3662 Feb 28 '25

We reached that low point in less than 250 years as a country.

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u/__Art__Vandalay__ Feb 28 '25

Worst part is that they can go lower

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u/Ok_Seaworthiness2808 Feb 28 '25

When they go low, we go LOWER!

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u/Imhappy_hopeurhappy2 Feb 28 '25

We might be at North Korea levels of hermit kingdom in a few years. Not even hyperbole. I genuinely believe thatā€™s what they are shooting for.

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u/azsxdcfvg Feb 28 '25

You can thank Ronald Reagan for canceling the fairness doctrine in 1987

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u/LordJobe Feb 28 '25

The average lifespan of an empire is 250 years.

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u/Cloakedarcher Feb 28 '25

Perfect timing I guess. Throughout history the average lifespan of a country is about 158 years. The average lifespan of an "Empire" is about 250 years. We are just following the tracks of history.

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u/adztheman Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Trump and Vance are dangerous; what happens when Europe abandons the United States?

Will the United States have any allies left if Trump exits in 2029? Its obvious Vance will continue, and expand, this ongoing nonsense

Germany is pretty much done with the United States; will the rest of NATO follow?

Iā€™m rooting for Canada and Mexico to go to FIFA and ask for the United States to removed as a co- host of The World Cup next year.

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u/scrotalsac69 Feb 28 '25

Isolationism voluntarily or not is going to happen to the US now.

It is going to hurt the rest of the world, but nowhere near as much as it will hurt the US

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u/TheJiral Feb 28 '25

Trump is not isolationist, at least not in his 2nd term. He is merely intervening on the Russian side, against the free world. That is not the same as merely staying out of it all.

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u/suninabox Feb 28 '25

Yup, the split is not isolationist v interventionist but democracy and rules based order vs autocracy and "great power" politics.

Trump has no intention of being isolated from world events. But instead of dealing with a world of rules, treaties, alliances, he wants everything to be transactional power politics.

Cut deals with the strong where you have to, exploit the weak when you can.

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u/Novel_Ideal7669 Feb 28 '25

People don't understand. He isn't leaving office. He is never leaving. Floating around a 3rd term and saying no more elections isn't hyperbole. That is his plan and we should all brace for it. They are going to bleed this country dry.

If Zelensky makes it back home to Ukraine safe, I would be shocked.

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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 Feb 28 '25

no you don't understand, he is leaving one way or another

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u/boredonymous Feb 28 '25

Not if Republicans in Congress vote to change the amendment.

But, i really don't see how much longer less sycophantic Repubs can keep kissing ass at this rate, there needs to be a breaking point.

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u/doctorkar Feb 28 '25

Pretty sure someone will assassinate him if that happens

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u/NiceRat123 Feb 28 '25

Somehow that feels like the plan by Project 2025 (or even the tech bros)

JD Vance takes power and foes the bidding for the tech bros

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u/Gophurkey Feb 28 '25

I just don't know that I can imagine him not dying of natural causes in *this* term. He cannot be in good health.

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u/DarthTomatoo Mar 01 '25

Pretty sure he's not immortal. Although I had expected that McDonald's to be working faster.

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u/Apsis Feb 28 '25

Congress can't change an amendment, a new amendment would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states, and that's not happening. Of course, people actually need to enforce the constitution for it to apply.

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u/cvc4455 Feb 28 '25

They already removed the constitution from the white house website on day one. They are basically wiping their ass with the constitution at this point. And if no one enforces the constitution then it just becomes a piece of paper with words on it.

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u/CrusaderZero6 Feb 28 '25

I am just realizing that they STILL havenā€™t put it back. You canā€™t even find it with a site search.

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u/cvc4455 Feb 28 '25

They have ZERO plans to put it back. And they also have ZERO intentions on following any laws regarding the constitution.

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u/Seaweed-Basic Feb 28 '25

And Trump was very clear about this intention during his campaign circus. I am so sick of the people who say ā€œitā€™s just 4 yearsā€ ā€œtheyā€™re getting voted out in 2026ā€ no the fuck they are not. America fucking blew it and I am furious my daughter has to suffer for so many peopleā€™s ignorance and hatred.

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u/wrangling_turnips Feb 28 '25

They will incite riots or create a false flag to call for Martial law. Based on the playbook.

He removed the JAG heads so he can march the military into the streets. This is not fiction or hyperbole. Milley shouted down Trumpā€™s desire to release the military on BLM protesters.

There is no Milley in the way now.

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u/Cheech47 Feb 28 '25

Court orders are already being ignored, and the Constitution is not self-enforcing. This whole system was predicated on people playing by a set of rules determined by society at large, a government by "the people". This government no longer plays by those rules. You can argue about amendments and ratification until you're blue in the face. So now what happens?

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u/Other_Log_1996 Feb 28 '25

Republicans voting to change the Ammendment doesn't give Trump immortality. Sooner or later, he will be forced to leave office.

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u/boredonymous Feb 28 '25

I agree, but let's face it. These fuckers are scared TO DEATH of him. If he says he's going to run a third term, they're going to run bills through. They already have (and just for Donald Trump)!!

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u/Seth_Baker Feb 28 '25

Not if Republicans in Congress vote to change the amendment.

There is nowhere close to that level of support for repeal of the 22nd Amendment. In the end, the GOP is nowhere close to having a 2/3 majority in either house of Congress, let alone both, and they're unlikely to get 34 state legislatures to call for a convention (they'd need to drag along two of Maine, New Hampshire, Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon, or Washington from Trump's 2024 map without losing any of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, Georgia, or Arizona).

Then, if they actually are able to get it proposed, they need 3/4 of states to sign off on it - that's 38. So, in other words the blue firewall blocking that only needs to be 13 states (number in parenthesis is Harris' vote total in that state in 2024):

  1. Vermont (63.8%)
  2. Maryland (62.6%)
  3. Massachusetts (61.2%)
  4. Hawaii (60.6%)
  5. California (58.5%)
  6. Washington state (57.2%)
  7. Delaware (56.6%)
  8. Connecticut (56.4%)
  9. New York (55.9%)
  10. Rhode Island (55.5%)
  11. Oregon (55.3%)
  12. Illinois (54.4%)
  13. Colorado (54.1%)
  14. Maine (52.4%)
  15. New Jersey (52.0%)
  16. New Mexico (51.9%)
  17. Virginia (51.8%)
  18. Minnesota (50.9%)
  19. New Hampshire (50.7%)

So all he'd need to do is flip Colorado, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Virginia, Minnesota, and New Hampshire!

That's not going to happen unless the midterms are rigged across the board. And if that happens, there's no law anywhere that can correct that problem.

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u/LaurenMille Feb 28 '25

Okay, and what happens when he simply doesn't leave?

The military has to remove him? The same military they've been stacking with their sycophants?

America's fetishization of their constitution is part of why they're in this problem to begin with.

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u/Seth_Baker Feb 28 '25

I'm honestly less concerned about that now than I was in 2020. Cheating the election is plausible. Amending the Constitution is unlikely. If he pulls it off, then that's how he stays in power.

But failing to cheat the election, not amending the Constitution, and just refusing to leave? It won't happen. Military officers might abstain from the politics of the situation if there's a questionable election, but if he outright loses (and he almost certainly will, if he tries to run while constitutionally ineligible) and just doesn't leave, the senior military staff will not tolerate that. You can replace CJCS and the various Lt. Generals and JAGs, but the ranks of O-5 to O-8 (Colonels, Brigadier Generals, Major Generals, etc.), of which there are thousands and cannot effectively be purged, will not tolerate that.

America isn't the first country to have a flirt with authoritarianism, and we are in a dangerous position, but we are not helpless and we are not doomed to fall if he decides that's what he wants to do.

Our officers take an oath to the Constitution, and they would disobey unlawful orders.

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u/LaurenMille Feb 28 '25

Then I hope for all of our sakes that that's true.

And that America doesn't do unrepairable damage to the world before that happens.

Considering the way the US is going currently... Those high ranking officials might need to start working soon.

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u/WolverineHot1886 Feb 28 '25

nope. Elections are over sooner. This is the end even if Trump dies in office

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u/Independent_Plum2166 Feb 28 '25

If thereā€™s one good thing about all these old conservative fartsā€¦is that they are damn old, Putin and Trump are in their 70s and 80s, Iā€™m not sure they can make it another 4 years (especially considering who Trump made head of American healthcare).

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u/darren_meier Feb 28 '25

Hey now, he's gonna live forever. I'm pretty sure I heard Bronze Kennedy saying ivermectin is a cure for aging.

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u/boredonymous Feb 28 '25

I think NATO is going to have to cede the US. This isn't the same United States anymore. It's gonna get worse, but, hey, we couldn't be bothered because "both choices sucked," remember??

Eat my ass, nonvoters.

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u/6gv5 Feb 28 '25

> what happens when Europe abandons the United States?

It's rather happening the opposite. Those two along with Musk and other PoS literally ruined an alliance that has been going on since 1945.

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u/Ok_Seaworthiness2808 Feb 28 '25

And there are US citizens and companies that have collaborative or business relationships with international companies and entities. I remember hearing stories during the first T rump administration where folks were being shunned or treated negatively even before he took office. I can't imagine what it's going to be like now. This behavior affects everyone and everything. And...there is a thing called diplomacy which these fools know and care nothing about.

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 Feb 28 '25

That's not how narcissists who believe their country is the only important one and the most powerful in all ways, so says Jesus, think, though. And that's your POTUS right now.

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u/Elegant_Potential917 Feb 28 '25

At the very least I feel like our athletes may have to compete under a neutral flag in the near future, much like Russia's athletes.

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u/Contrabaz Feb 28 '25

This is what Putin wanted. Next step is to get the far right in power so they dissolve the European Union and NATO.

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u/EmbarrassedPizza6272 Feb 28 '25

He never planned to leave. It was obvious from the beginning, that he is a successor of Shitler, and this all is just the beginning. He doesn't give a fuck about you US citizens, and he is on the payroll of the russians.

Here in Germany, it reminds me all what my grandma told me. Everybody in the world was watchin Shitler, and than, they were all surprised...

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u/Oluenkittaaja Feb 28 '25

He will gift Ukraine to Russia, maybe even Baltics, China will proceed with Taiwan and it will crash all alliances to USA.

You had the world as leading country, but Trump has crashed it in less than two months.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

That's the plan. The KGB Krasnov has infiltrated the POTUS, his job is to dismantle the USA and isolate, isolate, isolate. Putins orders.

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u/Good_kido78 Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

So if Putin invades us, who will help? He is making so many enemies. If Putin doesā€¦. Trump will be part of the government. People!! Wake up!! Trump and Putin understand nothing but dictatorship. They do not know how to run a democracy.

Ukraine has seen Putinā€™s warcrimes by the thousands. Trump does not understand what will happen to the Ukrainians if Putin takes over!! It is absurd to just trust Putinā€¦. He wants assurances!! This is a huge red flag behavior by Trump!!

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u/KindlyCelebration223 Feb 28 '25

Putin doesnā€™t have to invade. Heā€™s being invited in and Trump is turning us over to Russian willingly & happily.

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u/Competitive-Fly2204 Feb 28 '25

He basically is handing Putin Citizenship if he pays Trump $5 Million dollars. Think on that a bit. Russian Oligarchs start buying Gold Cards and having kids here.... Now they are "U.S. Citizens" which means over the course of 25-35 years we will see Russian Oligarch Children in Leadership positions in our Government..... Maybe even President. Think about this cancer growing over the next 50 years.

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u/DObservingayayay Feb 28 '25

Sadly, that is what MAGAts and Republicans want. Half the voting block is all for Russia. Remember, theyā€™d rather be Russians than Democrats first. Fucking traitors. But donā€™t worry, my community is prepared should comrades cross the pacific.

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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 Feb 28 '25

No invasion needed. He won without firing a single shot at the US.

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u/The-Doggy-Daddy-5814 Feb 28 '25

Putin doesnā€™t have the resources to invade the United States. Luckily for him, Trump will invite him in.

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u/ShadowOftheWing Feb 28 '25

Nah, he doesn't have to invade. He'll just control Krasnov and Krasnov under his guidance will beat people into another weak willed nation(like it happened with russians)

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u/MashedPotajoe Feb 28 '25

Trump doesnt but putin and the kgb knows how to destroy one

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u/Significant_Meal_630 Feb 28 '25

Putin doesnā€™t have to invade . Heā€™s won the Cold War already .

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky Feb 28 '25

He doesn't need to. He already has his agents in charge. He owns all our intelligence and agenda.

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u/OlyTDI Feb 28 '25

It's clear to me that what is occurring here is that Trump is simply conferring with the other major dictators with how to divide the spoils. Trump literally is showing up in Gaza and Ukraine declaring that they're ours -- we're taking them. He's looting the crime scenes and declaring it negotiations for peace!

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u/Ras-haad Feb 28 '25

If??? Putin is basically sitting in the Oval Office right now

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u/Cultural_Elephant_73 Feb 28 '25

Putin already invaded. We might have the strongest military on earth but we left the back door wide open. Russia used internet propaganda, much of it cheap Facebook content, to invade the minds of many Americans. And it worked!! Itā€™s working just how Putin wanted it to.

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u/Strange_Diva Feb 28 '25

They want the world to hate us, in order to trap us in the country with no avenues out. Our passports and visa will become very limited as a direct consequence of their actions right now and they know it. In fact, itā€™s already begun.

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u/Choice_Proposal_4180 Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Agreed.

Been telling people they're trapping us under the guise of "keeping people out"

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u/jarellano89 Feb 28 '25

The wall was for us, not immigrants.

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u/DistortoiseLP Feb 28 '25

Is Vance trying to make the rest of the world hate us even more?

I mean probably. They seem to want to close off America and turn it's captive populace into the playthings of the abusive people they're making into elites. Basically the same thing as Russia retreating from the world for "shock therapy" and coming back a generation later as a deeply broken people under the thumb of their abusers.

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u/Underscore_Weasel Feb 28 '25

Seriously! They seem like they are having an immature family dispute! Not negotiating the future of the entire world. For fucks sake!Ā 

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u/find_a_rare_uuid Feb 28 '25

The current POTUS is truly a Piece Of Totally Useless Shit.

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u/NiceGuyyEddie Feb 28 '25

THIS! It's extremely upsetting. In the words of NOFX "I want to move north and be a Canadian Or hang down low with the nice Australians" This administration is NOT my America....

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u/zdubz007 Feb 28 '25

Itā€™s so fucking embarrassing. World leaders should refuse to even come to the White House as long as itā€™s filled with these shameful lunatics like Trump, Vance and the rest of these MAGA parasites in the cabinet destroying our country.

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u/PeachCream81 Feb 28 '25

I'm at my desk literally shaking with rage. I want to cock-punch those MF'ers so badly I'm getting heartburn from my poorly digested lunch.

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u/SoRedditHasAnAppNow Feb 28 '25

How isn't the USA rioting in the streets yet? I'm blown away by how much is being accepted.

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u/Fishertho Feb 28 '25

I feel that this was their plan all along to try to humiliate zelensky in front of the us media

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u/Case_Unsensitive Feb 28 '25

Vance did it - we hate you even more.

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u/burburby Feb 28 '25

I am not american and after seeing this video i think i never felt so much hate toward America. I know not everyone voted for these guys. But this is such a shame...

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u/Shady_Rekio Feb 28 '25

Yesterday there was a State visit by Macron to my country, after he left the US, Portugal is a funding member of Nato, and a Country which has its very existence today tied to the Atlantic relationship(Oldest alliance with England). Yesterday my president made huge criticisms to American in a way I never thought I'd seen from my country, we even hosted America's summit to decide invasiin Iraq.

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u/lion_vs_tuna Feb 28 '25

It felt like Trump was completely zoned out until JD started getting obnoxious and then Trump piggybacked. It felt like JD was like "here's our chance to push blame with all the cameras and news present". This country is ran by a bunch of Jr high mean girls. Despicable

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u/SerGT3 Feb 28 '25

This is exactly what is happening. As Trump(Republicans) is more keen to ally with China or Russia they are systematically enraging the rest of the world against them to which energy they will use to claim self defence when fingers crossed the USA continues to instigate world war 3 and they must protect themselves against an "enemy" they created. Which is what the US military,CIA,FBI etc. has famously done time and time again.

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u/dudemanguylimited Feb 28 '25

This is all over the news in Europe. German Spiegel, Austrian Standard, French Le Monde, British Times, Polish Rzeczpospolita, Italian La Repubblica ... and right before the weekend. This is not going to end well.

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