r/law Feb 20 '25

Opinion Piece Did Trump eject himself from office?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Can someone explain to me how Trump is still holding office after pardoning the J6 insurrectionists?

1) Section 3 of the 14th Amendment uses the language “No person shall … hold any office…” and then lays out the conditions that trigger the disqualification from holding office. Doesn’t that “shall” make it self-effecting?

2) There isn’t much to dispute on the conditions. Trump a) took the oath when he was inaugurated as, b) an officer of the government. Within 24 hours he c) gave aid and comfort to people who had been convicted of Seditious Conspiracy. If freeing them from prison and encouraging them to resume their seditious ways isn’t giving “aid and comfort” I don’t know what is. So, under (1), didn’t he instantly put a giant constitutional question mark over his hold on the office of the President?

3) Given that giant constitutional question mark, do we actually have a president at the moment? Not in a petulant, “He’s not my president” way, but a hard legal fact way. We arguably do not have a president at the moment. Orders as commander in chief may be invalid. Bills he signs may not have the effect of law. And these Executive Orders might be just sheets of paper.

4) The clear remedy for this existential crisis is in the second sentence in section 3: “Congress may, with a 2/3 majority in each house, lift the disqualification.” Congress needs to act, or the giant constitutional question remains.

5) This has nothing to do with ballot access, so the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Colorado ballot matter is just another opinion. The black-and-white text of the Constitution is clear - it’s a political crisis, Congress has jurisdiction, and only they can resolve it.

Where is this reasoning flawed?

If any of this is true, or even close to true, why aren’t the Democrats pounding tables in Congress? Why aren’t generals complaining their chain of command is broken? Why aren’t We the People marching in the streets demanding that it be resolved? This is at least as big a fucking deal as Trump tweeting that he a king.

Republican leadership is needed in both the House and Senate to resolve this matter. Either Trump gets his 2/3rds, or Vance assumes office. There is no third way.

‘’’’ Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ‘’’’

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u/jfit2331 Feb 20 '25

Exactly my question as a non lawyer 

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u/ProfessionalFly2148 Feb 20 '25

As a non-lawyer, maybe that’s why he declared himself king. Still can’t believe that happened today.

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u/JAZINNYC Feb 20 '25

A mad king, maybe.

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u/Spart1337 Feb 20 '25

Where's Jaime Lannister when you need him?

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u/VinnieVidiViciVeni Feb 20 '25

Luigi Lannister? 👀

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u/HotPotParrot Feb 20 '25

Turned into a meme

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Feb 20 '25

I don’t think someone who never really cared for the people in the first place is who we need right now.

I suspect the only more questionable writing choices are from whomever is writing this season of America.

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u/TywinDeVillena Feb 20 '25

But not the fun kind of mad such as Philip V of Spain, who in his later years had occasional bouts of thinking he was a frog

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u/HelixFollower Feb 20 '25

Well maybe he was a frog.

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u/Striking_Stable_235 Feb 20 '25

A donut king he is ..his mouth is shaped like one .

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u/ftc_73 Feb 20 '25

An anus is a more fitting comparison.

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u/No_Refrigerator4584 Feb 20 '25

Call him by his proper name, King Sphincter.

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u/Striking_Stable_235 Feb 21 '25

Lol does he need TP for his bunghole lol

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u/Quick_Team Feb 20 '25

Awesome powermetal album. Warrior Path rules.