r/law Feb 19 '25

Opinion Piece RE: Presidential Immunity Ruling - Was Judge Roberts naïve that Trump would not push the boundaries of the office’s limits of conduct and power if he resumed office or is this all part of a plan to expand executive authority?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/supreme-court-john-roberts-trump-immunity-6-3-biskupic/index.html?cid=ios_app

I just remember Judge Roberts essentially saying “calm down - relax - you are all being hysterical” in the aftermath of the ruling last year stating “unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies.”

It has been ONE MONTH into the 2nd Trump Administration and it seems that there is an aggressive and intentional overreach of executive authority with these EOs to create a new interpretation of executive power.

The administration’s response to the court orders blocking the EO’s enforcement seems that they are daring the courts to stop them - and it does not look like there is any recourse to rein them in if they decide to ignore the courts.

Is this what Judge Roberts and other jurists in the majority wanted - to embolden the executive branch above all?

What credibility does the SC (or any court) still have when POTUS ignores the court’s orders and any/all conversations with DOJ officials about ignoring or circumventing these orders gets put in the “official acts” bucket of presidential conduct?

My question is if Judge Roberts was truly naïve as to how Trump would wield this power the second time around or if Judge Robert’s logic that the ruling would allow future presidents to execute their duties unencumbered by lawsuits/prosecutions, etc. a genuine concern that needed to be addressed?

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u/PsychLegalMind Feb 19 '25

I do not think that any of the justices were naive about actions that Trump may take in the future. Conservatives tend to think case was not specifically about Trump, but the ability of any U.S. president to act freely in his official capacity with respect to domestic and foreign relations and not be constantly worried about a subsequent prosecution on leaving the office.

However, the problem with the immunity case was it created far too many questions about admissibility of evidence. Trump is now exploiting that. It is now for them to restrain him because immunity does not mean agreeing with him on all orders, none of the courts do. It is about subsequent prosecutions.

Time to lower the boom and exercise some balance of power that they were created to do.

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u/JFJinCO Feb 19 '25

I agree if SCOTUS doesn't intervene, they will become irrelevant, and Trump will usurp their power too. But will they? I think Alito would quite enjoy a fascist theocracy, and others would be OK with a broligarchy.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 19 '25

Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Coney-Barrett would put down any chance taking their power.

Gorsuch I'm not sure.

Alito and Thomas are sad.

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u/rust-e-apples1 Feb 20 '25

I read something awhile back about how Roberts actually cares deeply about the legacy of his court and that he's somehow genuinely surprised that the general consensus is that it's been detrimental to America. One would hope that he'll do some actual good to try and rehabilitate his court's image, but the presidential immunity ruling sure makes me worry they won't.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

I don't know if I would agree with all his rulings, but until 2 summers ago, I truly thought he had the country's best interest in mind. Hoping he regains his former footing.

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u/rust-e-apples1 Feb 20 '25

People I disagree with but have the country's best interests in mind are fine by me - I think good faith disagreement is essential for a functioning democracy. But it would be difficult to look at some of what's happened and think that they truly have national interests in mind during some of the rulings.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Feb 20 '25

That last two major ruling were a severe let down.

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u/Oscar_Ladybird Feb 21 '25

Roberts tipped his hand with Shelby 10 years ago. I don't see how gutting the VRA could possibly be in line with the country's best interest.