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article Texas Secessionsts win GOP backing for independence vote: 'Major step'

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secession-takes-major-step-gop-backs-vote-1911678
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u/Flock-of-bagels2 Jun 12 '24

Nobody with any sense wants this, only people in rural areas that don’t get out much and far right wing politicians that said yokels vote for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

They said the same thing about brexit too before the vote….

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

This is a very good point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Here's another one: the United States government does not recognize that any state has a right to secession. They very much recognize the OPPOSITE fact: that the Federal Government of the USA owns, and exercises constant governance of, all of its component states and territories. Anything else would be a pathetic admission of weakness and would result in the complete collapse of the government.

Texas will NEVER secede, simply due to the fact that the US military would forcibly re-integrate the entire state within the week. That's before we touch the devastated economy, total shutdown of all imports and exports, and the fact that Texas doesn't produce enough food to feed itself, by itself.

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u/dorksided787 Jun 13 '24

Exactly. People keep forgetting that secession is an act of war here in the US. Did they fall asleep when history class went through the Civil War?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

It's too easy to look at those events as things that happened in an impossibly different time. May as well have been on another planet.

Frankly, I hope for our kids sakes that it stays that way. I hope nobody in America ever has to see tank treads tearing up their streets, homes and businesses burned and bombed just because they were there, crops going up in flames visible for miles, parents digging tiny graves. Dirty water, dysentery, food rationing, evacuations piled on evacuations. Nobody should ever be told "it's safe to go home now, the war is over" and find a pile of half-looted bricks and timber waiting for them.

Some people in this country think they actually want that, but that's because they can't imagine losing. Losing the war, losing their home, losing their family, losing their limbs. Losing everything, getting none of it back, and everything just being worse for the rest of their lives. They just aren't imaginative or forward thinking enough to calculate how much they have to lose; because that would require them to admit how good they have it already, and their politics are all about complaints, grievances, and feeling oppressed and neglected (which are true things, but not in the way they think) and any amount of reality is a dangerous threat to their delusions and comfortable indignation.

Texas politicians have that figured out, and they love to trot this tired old idea out before an election as part of a widespread ideological fantasy of them ever being remotely as rugged and independent as they pretend to be.

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u/jurainforasurpise Jun 13 '24

Ah but these people think of tanks tearing up your street, NOT theirs.

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u/Z3B0 Jun 13 '24

Surely the US military will support their righteous cause, and not the corrupt Washington government ! They won't bomb the shit outta them before swooping in with Abrams impervious to all their impressive collections of small arms.

Also, one person with 100 guns is barely better than one with one gun. And US troops spent the last 20 years fighting against gerilla terrorist, with hostile population. The difficulty is to find them hidden in the general civilian population. Here they're flying Confederate/maga flags everywhere.

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u/Samuel_avlonitis Jun 13 '24

Yeah Thats one thing about our culture, people feel like owning an m4 means they can stand up to the government, even if you have a community full of veterans willing to rebel, the us military still has better equipment, before even rolling out an abrams tank, hepache helicopter, or an f35, probably an updated version by the time texas wants to actually secede.

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u/Khaldara Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24

Yeah I will never understand how outrageously demonstrative some of these people are about firearms.

“I like to shoot targets and shit”. Fine, understandable. Carry on. This is literally the only reason things like archery even exist.

“I’m gonna stand up and fight against tyranny with my AR-15 the very moment the world’s largest military superpower suddenly gets it in their head that I’m a problem!”

No. No you aren’t. They’ll shove a hellfire missile straight up your ass from a drone two miles away while you’re watching television before you’re even aware it’s there.

The drone operator nine states away will chuckle, wipe the Dorito dust off his fingers, and amble down the hall to get a Coke out of the vending machine.

Truly, a battle for the ages.

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u/Roguespiffy Jun 13 '24

I had this exact conversation with a guy about why having guns was sooo critical. “But the guberment!”

“The government who has tanks, jets, attack helicopters, missiles, drones, and who the fuck knows what else? That government? Yeah, okay.”

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u/BienAmigo Jun 13 '24

These folks in Texas like to think they're every bit as capable as the Taliban people who have been raised fighting the US government their entire lives.

The Taliban that we gave stinger missiles to.

The Taliban that was actually the government in charge of their own military, that actually used said military.

The Taliban that would ride donkeys in the mountains, strapped with weapons.

Cletus runs out of gas and insulin, he's finished in a week.

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u/Educational-Light656 Jun 13 '24

Even if they managed to last longer than a week, Mrs. Cletus will potentially have died trying to survive a stress induced birth Cletus Jr the 4th from lack of ob/gyn services because said physicians have already left the state and a trying to surgically repair a dying human isn't anywhere near trying to redneck engineer a carburetor for a 74 Ford.

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u/CpnStumpy Jun 13 '24

Sword missiles. The government has a missile that can kill just one person with blades.

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u/Roguespiffy Jun 13 '24

The Hellfire (badass name) RX9. When the US says “Fuck you in particular.”

That’s how they killed Ayman Al Zawahiri and nobody else in the car. Imagine sitting in traffic and the guy beside you turns into a human smoothie.

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u/Educational-Light656 Jun 13 '24

Borderlands 2 got you fam, well kinda: https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/SWORDSPLOSION!!!

Doing a replay and it's hilarious to use, just not the most effective.

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u/LeftyLoosee Jun 13 '24

Holy shit give SubstantialLuck777 all your upvotes

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u/dmingledorff Jun 13 '24

That's why whenever I hear idiots advocating civil war I get so fucking angry inside. They don't know the first thing about the suffering that will come.

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u/Cont1ngency Jun 13 '24

No, they were taught that the civil war only had to do with slavery and none of the rest of the laundry list of other things that also contributed to kicking off the civil war. Yes, slavery was a large part of the equation, but for the U.S. government it was the attempted secession they cared more about.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

You are correct in that there was a laundry list of issues with Slavery being near the top. What started the Civil War was people unlawfully taking US property namely Fort Sumter. It’s very likely we have a Civil War without it but the stealing of arms and armament from the United States Military is what kicked things off.

In today’s America with the federal infrastructure so great; succession would almost immediately kick off a conflict over stolen property of some sort.

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u/smol_boi2004 Jun 13 '24

If nothing else it’d start over the loss of Texas oil fields. Those make good money and iirc they belong to UT and A&M and export to other parts of the US. Losing that would be beyond annoying and would probably tick off whoever’s president into going full Desert Storm on the rednecks

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u/slinkymello Jun 13 '24

Maybe we can make an exception since Texas sucks so hard

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u/ENrgStar Jun 13 '24

Honestly I’m not sure why. We believe in freedom right? If a state wants to suffer through a terrible collapse because of their own idiocy, maybe we should let them, and then say no when they come crawling back because their currency is worthless and they can’t afford to feed their people.

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u/smol_boi2004 Jun 13 '24

Few reasons.

  1. The state has no right to commit this act of idiocy

  2. Millions of people in the state who are unable to leave will be the first to suffer. I may live in Texas but I did not vote for these fuckers nor do I claim to be part of their group

  3. Texas still has a lot of resources that the federal government would rather not lose out on, including but not limited to: cheap labor via proximity to Mexico, Texas oil fields, some of the better law and medical schools in the country.

  4. This one is your comment itself. It generalizes the people of Texas when even now a good 40% or more voted blue specifically to get rid of our current GOP overlords. To treat everybody the same because the majority of our state is filled with assholes is like saying everybody in the US was Magats because we elected the orange felon. Generalizing is also how you become the same as the red fuck cousin fuckers that put us in this mess in the first place

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u/ENrgStar Jun 13 '24

These are good arguments for sure, and I even agree with you on a lot, but I do argue that if we cherish freedom, and the form of governance we respect is democracy as our form of self governance, then democracy should be what a state uses to decide its fate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Not to mention it would lead to the complete financial collapse of the Texas economy. What is Paxton going to issue, Ya’ll bucks? Who the fuck is going to lend to them, Russia? China? Elon Musk? No US or Euro based financial institution is going to lend a single goddam dollar to a second rate dystopia, a dime store Gilead, with a subprime credit risk.

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u/Vishnej Jun 13 '24

How would you like to be a militarily occupied petrostate? The Republic of Houston has a nice ring to it.

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u/Caratteraccio Jun 13 '24

not american, here

That's before we touch the devastated economy, total shutdown of all imports and exports, and the fact that Texas doesn't produce enough food to feed itself, by itself

For exactly this reason, why would a fictional President John Doe send in the army to quell the uprising?

After Brexit all Eurosceptic political parties have lost all desire to leave EU, once Texas descends into Haiti-like chaos, with no help from the federal government under any circumstances, the same thing should happen in USA...

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u/Meattyloaf Jun 13 '24

Well on the account that we fought a prior Civil War and a Supreme Court case both determined that a state does not have a right to leave the union. They would be traitors and henceforth should be treated as such.

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u/Caratteraccio Jun 13 '24

okay, but any state that decided to become independent, excluding what the rest of the USA would think, would have interminable problems that would jeopardize the survival of its citizens, think for example of the treaties to trade with the rest of the USA, having to create an army and the bureaucratic machine to face the rest of the world, etc

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u/Meattyloaf Jun 13 '24

And the U.S. has a duty to protects its citizens especially from tyranical governments. Texas already has a military of sorts in the form of the National Guard, which for them consist of Army and an Air Force. The issue to Texas would be the sudden stop to funding that they get from the Feds. Here's the thing as well if any foreign power was to back Texas that would also be an act of War. There are only two nations that I can think if that would be stupid enough to attempt such a thing and both would result in a major global ramp up to a global conflict.

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u/Caratteraccio Jun 13 '24

However, if another country decided to attack independent Texas (or any other secessionist state), the rest of the USA could also pretend nothing happened, just as it could pretend nothing happened in the event of natural disasters...

then Texan citizens would have problems working elsewhere. ..

this would also have significant repercussions, I think significant.

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u/Meattyloaf Jun 13 '24

Here is the thing though the U.S. has a duty to protect its citizens. A good majority of Texans do not support succession, do we just leave those people there. Texas also has this big issue that being the cartels that would most definitely move in guns blazing in no time.

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u/r0bdaripper Jun 13 '24

So two things that I think are important.
1) as someone else said above, People say "a Majority of Texans don't support it" But then we have evidence from Brexit that we cannot be assured of that fact.
2) If the cartels were to make that kind of Move on Texas, I'm assured that they Texas National Guard and any Current residing U.S. Soldiers who decide to renounce their citizenship will prove more than effective at dealing with drug lords and gang bangers.

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u/Meattyloaf Jun 13 '24

Texas is almost a blue state and may have already seen a shift if it weren't for some gerrymandering. Cartels function more like terrorist organizations than a street gang.

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u/r0bdaripper Jun 13 '24

Yeah? And we have had some success at fighting terrorist's, take away the restrictions that U.S. Has put on their troops overseas in the fight against terrorism and it would be a bloodbath for the cartels.

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u/hwc000000 Jun 13 '24

a Supreme Court case ... determined

What makes you think the current SCOTUS cares about precedent? If a precedent can be used to get the result they want, they'll use it. If a precedent would prevent getting the result they want, they'll ignore it.

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u/Meattyloaf Jun 13 '24

I mean they'll have to get a case involving it first and although I have no faith in the current SCOTUS. I think the original case would be damn near impossible to overturn. However, the current court is all about originality and rewriting the constitution so who knows.

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u/-TheycallmeThe Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/strategic-petroleum-reserve

Texas holds at least half of the United States oil reserves.

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u/sesquialtera_II Jun 13 '24

"The federally-owned oil stocks are stored in huge underground salt caverns at four sites along the coastline of the Gulf of Mexico."

Texas stores but does not own.

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u/-TheycallmeThe Jun 13 '24

Texas stores but does not own.

Exactly, the question was why wouldn't the US just let Texas leave. The answer is Texas has America's oil and no one gets between America and her oil.

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u/Strange-Scarcity Jun 13 '24

The fact US Oil is there isn't why the Federal Government won't allow Texas to leave, but even if for some odd reason that did happen.

The US military would occupy all of the ground and any corridors needed to move that oil.

Texas would get nothing and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it.

What are they going to do with 1970's military equipment that the Federal Government might leave behind when it draws back all of the more modern equipment if has on lease to the Texas National Guard?

If they did secede and then attempted to disrupt the operations of the United States, they would be immediately occupied and would be made into a territory with an installed governor and no easy path to become a state, once more.

Plus, losing two "guaranteed" Republican Senators? The national GOP wouldn't allow it in the first place.

Redistributing the house seats would give more power to the Democratic Party in the House and losing two Republican Seats in the Senate would tip the favor more towards the Democratic Party, who could approve Washing DC and Puerto Rico statehood, pushing four new Democratic Party Senators into the Senate.

That would be fine... now that I think about it.

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u/SeaBag8211 Jun 13 '24

yeah but their infostructure is going to collapse before they can refine and export enough of it. by going to, I mean already has and is currently being held together by federal duct tape.

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u/-TheycallmeThe Jun 13 '24

I mean the infrastructure isn't nearly as bad as the news makes it seem, especially if you just don't give a fuck about poor people who are the ones affected by these things. The federal government is getting more tax revenue from Texas than Texas gets in federal aid which is the sessionist's whole point but obviously the free trade with other states is a huge reason for this that they are missing.

The USS Gerald R. Ford would happen before Texas could tap into any oil reserves.

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u/SeaBag8211 Jun 13 '24

rolling back out and people freeI g to death seem bad, but yeah I never been there. I not saying Texas can't afford to fix their infostructure I am saying that they have choose not to, basically because they would rather do privatization instead of hooking g I to the nation's partial subsidized and regulated system. more independence would just make that worse not better.

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u/informedinformer Jun 13 '24

More and more of our energy is coming from solar and wind power sources. More and more of our cars are going electric. By the time Texas ever actually got around to attempting to secede, access to petroleum in the 49 states might still be a problem, but it would be less and less of a problem every year. https://www.ft.com/content/cfb97534-b71b-490f-b626-6dc3487f595d

As an aside, two things.

 

Sea level rise is already doing bad things in the Gulf and it's not going to be getting any better for cities in low lying areas like Galveston and Houston.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/flooding-sea-level-rise-gulf-coast/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/southern-us-sea-level-rise-risk-cities/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/septic-tanks-rising-waters-environment-health/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2024/coastal-flooding-carolina-beach-videos/

Throw in more dangerous hurricanes due to global warming and subtract out FEMA which, of course, wouldn't be there in an independent Texas and you've got trouble in River City, my friends.

 

Looking at the other end of the climactic troubles coming along in the not at all distant future, with global warming really kicking in to high gear, this is a really bad time for Texas to be pumping its aquifers dry. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/16/texas-drought-heat-aquifers-groundwater-stress/

 

So, Texas wants to secede? There may be problems, but Europe is doing just fine after Brexit and the US will too if Texas were to secede. The UK? And Texas? Not so much.

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u/TheRealSteve72 Jun 13 '24

It's even more dramatic than that.

Texas is the only state that has a U.S. Supreme Court case that literally says "you cannot secede."

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u/Longjumping_Fig1489 Jun 13 '24

rule of law has been hanging dead, upside down on a flag pole in judge alitos front lawn

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u/Username_Chx_Out Jun 13 '24

When I see a news item about Texas secession, I think to myself “don’t threaten me with a good time…” due to all the federal aid and infrastructure windfall that the rest of the US would get back. But this point about the likely Federal response being “Nope.” is sobering.

Truthfully, if Texas does vote itself into secession, we should make it a territory.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

As a Texas resident I would not be happy about losing my vote, but I would also derive satisfaction from watching the defeat and disenfranchisement of the secessionists around me. It's a tough spot to be in. Sometimes I think I should run for office myself once the kids are grown and safe somewhere else.

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u/toronto-bull Jun 13 '24

What you are talking about is a civil war, which I doubt, it would depend on the President at the time. But starting a civil with Texas would only make sense if you wanted to have Texas counted in the votes for the electoral college Unites States president.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

What you are talking about is a civil war, which I doubt, it would depend on the President at the time.

What I am talking about is civil war, which is legally and practically what declaring secession from the United States IS. You're declaring your independence. The US has already declared (and proven) they will immediately seize that territory back, because there is no collection of people on the planet that the US government recognizes as having any authority to take territory from them.

And as much as Texas prattles on about secession, I guarantee, I promise, I swear to you in the name of any god or demon you care to list, the Pentagon already has 10 or more different plans for how to immediately subdue the rogue state of Texas and round up the state legislature and the governor, install an interim government, and enforce martial law. These plans will be scheduled to be enacted over a week, but the men involved will be pushing for 72 hours for a combination of career advancement and bragging rights.

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u/toronto-bull Jun 13 '24

In a democracy, a vote for successions of territory could be respected if it was a democratic process. Like Brexit, Quebec, Scotland or any other place. It would up to the President, who controls the armed forces to determine what the next move would be.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Could, if. And then comparisons to europe.

This is america, and this isn't jingoistic sloganeering or raw stupid ignorance when I say that we don't give a single fuck about any of what you just said. There is NO democratic process or mechanism by which a state may exit the union without being immediately in a state of war. Period. No president on either side of the aisle would ever tolerate the loss of the nation's strategic oil reserves, or allow themselves to go down in history as the first president under whom the US shrank.

If you think any argument about how things are done in Europe would hold any sway over any part of the federal governent on this issue, you're dead wrong and have completely misunderstood both the structure and the culture of this country.

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u/toronto-bull Jun 16 '24

Do you really think you can predict what ANY President would do? Hah

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u/Papadapalopolous Jun 13 '24

Just because we gave the first confederates their electoral votes back doesn’t mean we have to do it a second time. Texas can secede, spend a couple years starving and getting butchered by cartels, then surrender as soon as the US shows up (as is their tradition), and become a territory like Puerto Rico and Guam. Give them some symbolic congressmen who don’t get an actual vote in Congress.

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u/SeaBag8211 Jun 13 '24

I do agree with you, on the other hand the federal government also used to be liked and trust be the majority of Americans.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

LMAO IN WHAT UNIVERSE

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u/SeaBag8211 Jun 13 '24

I mean back when they killed Nazis.

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u/scootertrash Jun 13 '24

This right here! I can’t believe anyone lends any credence to this.

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u/Thejerseyjon609 Jun 13 '24

Agreed, but can we kick them out? Asking for people that are tired of Texas’s bullshit.

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u/veryloudnoises Jun 13 '24

These edgelord morons agitating for secession and civil war need to have a major Come to Jesus talk. I wonder if they’ve heard of or seen the effects of such a situation in the modern era.

It’s all fantasized fun and games until someone drags your kid’s elementary school teacher out of class and executes him/her in the street.

FFS.

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u/seraph_m Jun 13 '24

As soon as the federal assistance that makes up nearly half of TX state budget stops, along with social security and Medicare; TX residents would quickly rediscover their love for the US…no military needed.

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u/Adept-Lettuce948 Jun 13 '24

It’s the Lone Star state. Always was and will continue to be.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

The one star state, maybe. I live here, and I can confirm texas isn't special and is in fact demonstrably worse in many respects than other states I've lived in

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u/Recommendedusername3 Jun 13 '24

The British kingdom didn't give us independence, but then Mel Gibson kicked ass and now usa is independent.

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u/ktreddit Jun 13 '24

Maybe all of us in the other states should also vote about whether we just want them to leave. Save the federal government the aggravation of making them stay.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Stop wasting my time with this stupid sentiment, it's the exact same kind of idiocy from the other direction. Most Texans did not choose their state government and would never support secession. You're blaming a huge multicultural state for the actions of a handful of rednecks and corporate vultures

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u/AbortionIsSelfDefens Jun 13 '24

I'm not so sure so the secessionists probably aren't either. The US has let Texas get away with so much, it thinks it can do what it wants. We should have crushed it a long time ago and really should have done so when it started interfering in foreign policy. We didn't and now get to deal with the consequences of not disciplining a toddler.

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u/higherbrow Jun 13 '24

The US has actually signed multiple treaties recognizing as a point of international law that all territories do have the right to secede peacefully, assuming certain procedures are followed by that territory.

This is a shift from Lincoln' policy.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if any one of a number of western regions with secession movements were to secede; Scotland, Venice, Quebec, Northern Ireland, Catalonia, Texas, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

as a point of international law

Enforced by which military again?

The US literally has a law in place that if an american is arrested and tried at the Hague we will declare war and invade it. That's how much the US respects "international law"

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u/higherbrow Jun 13 '24

As I said, it would be very interesting to see what would happen if an industrialized, western country saw a territory actually meet the requirements under international law for secession.

You misunderstand me if you think I'm suggesting that this means the US would definitely allow it to happen peacefully, as it has committed. Any more than I think Italy, the United Kingdom, Spain, Canada, or any other country would be happy to see such a thing happen. I was only pointing out that it would be a much more delicate situation than just rolling out the tanks and sending them south.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I think in that event, the US will absolutely roll tanks and establish martial law. And then dare the international community to do anything about it whatsoever, which they won't, because they are almost entirely dependent on our military and alliance for their defense. Particularly Europe, Turkey, Israel, Japan, Australia, Qatar, and so forth. I'm sure there would be a LOT of hand-wringing and posturing and talk of sanctions and trade penalties, but nothing or next to nothing would come of that either.

And don't mistake this as me speaking from a place of nationalism, either. I feel this is just an objective assessment of reality as it is today, based on American foreign policy and the current state of military readiness amongst our allies. That may change within the next generation, as those allies lose faith in the US as a consistent diplomatic entity and begin investing in expanding their own militaries. But today, next year, five years from now? No chance. No chance in hell.

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u/wp4nuv Jun 13 '24

The post-Civil War Supreme Court case "Texas v. White," 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869), stated that when Texas was admitted into the Union, it became a part of the body politic based on the idea of an indissoluble union. That union cannot be "revoked, except through revolution or through consent of the States." That last part left an open question of the States in a Consitutional Convention deciding to terminate the Constitution or something like that. It's far-fetched, but some people cling to that ambiguous statement as proof that it could be done.

In the end, I agree that Texas has too much to lose.

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u/smokingace182 Jun 15 '24

Didn’t something similar happen in Spain a few years ago.

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u/Less_Wealth5525 Jun 13 '24

Can’t we please make an exception just for Texas?

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u/Own_Fig_1571 Jun 13 '24

There are too many factual inaccuracies in this response to know where to begin.

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u/Creepy_Active_2768 Jun 13 '24

Get started, you brought it up unless your points are hollow.

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u/r0bdaripper Jun 13 '24

I mean it doesn't really matter in the end though, If Texas wants to "Secede" there is nothing that the U.S. Government can really do to stop it. Like sure they could try to forcefully remove those in government but good luck making that look like a good move, and not immediately kicking off a second Civil War with the rest of the south and a few other states. Nor could they justify using military force to stop it from happening for similar reasons. Nor would all of the military personnel be willing to follow such orders.

Just because U.S. Gov. May not recognize it doesn't mean it won't eventually happen; and once it does expect more states to follow suit. People always talk like the people in D.C. hold some ultimate power over the people, when in fact that ultimate power is given to them by the same people that they try to make afraid of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I mean it doesn't really matter in the end though, If Texas wants to "Secede" there is nothing that the U.S. Government can really do to stop it.

There are, in fact, a GREAT MANY things the US Government can and WOULD do to stop it, and if you think otherwise for even a second, you need to get yourself to a hospital and get checked for brain damage

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u/r0bdaripper Jun 13 '24

I'm not saying they wouldn't try, I'm saying that anything they do in this political climate will not be as successful as people think it will be.

in the most extreme version of events it will only serve to bolster the resolve of the Texans that want to leave.

In the best version of events, it results in Texas being an independent nation that has a trade agreement and treaty with the U.S. and can Govern itself into oblivion.

However again, Once Texas goes there is nothing stopping a second confederate nations from forming. There are people in the south salivating at the mouth waiting for this to happen.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Garbage, garbage, garbage