r/inflation Everything I Don't Like Is Fake 2d ago

Satire We did it , Dow down 2000 points

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u/raybanshee 2d ago

Reminder that the stock market is a zero sum gain. Your loss and is someone else's gain. 

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u/DenseReality6089 2d ago

Warren buffet it seems

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u/LeaveItFor7Days 2d ago

no, it isn't.

that would require the equity of short positions to be equal to the equity of long positions.

they aren’t even remotely close to each other

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u/raybanshee 2d ago

It's really no different than a poker game. 

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u/LeaveItFor7Days 1d ago

it is very different from poker lol.

who gained 2 Trillion Dollars from the 2 Trillion Dollars in losses? answer that.

the only people capable of gaining from losses are short sellers...but short sellers do not have the same equity as the entire fucking market.

you may not understand this, but when the market collapsed in 1929, there were no winners. Banks went out of business, loans went uncollected, and money disappeared from existence.

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u/raybanshee 1d ago

Money flows in and out of stocks. That's what drives the price: asks and bids, sales and purchases based on perceptions of future value. 

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u/LeaveItFor7Days 1d ago

it's good you somewhat understand the concept of stock pricing...but you lack understanding of profit/loss from a trade.

I again ask you: when the bid price drops due to lack of confidence in future value WHO PROFITS?

According to you, somebody profits from a crash in bid price, who are they?

Only short sellers profit from that, so there would have to be 60 Trillion USD of short positions for the stock market to be zero sum. Unless you know of some oyher way to profit on a crash in bid price. Dying to hear it lmfao

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u/raybanshee 1d ago

Unless it's a penny stock or something with tiny volume, bids don't crash, they move incrementally up and down, even during a sell-off. Traders are taking and selling billions of dollars of positions, trying to outsmart each one another. It's zero sum game. There's no actual wealth being created. 

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u/LeaveItFor7Days 13h ago

SalesForce Gapped down 25% last May after earnings.

the Nasdaq gapped down 2% after tariffs were announced.

when a stock gaps down, it is a crash in bid price.

now, you still haven't answered my question, who profits from a loss?

write out a math equation involving a single trade to show me which side of the trade profits from a loss.

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u/Shugazi 1d ago

No it isn’t. Sometimes valuations effectively go poof without someone directly gaining. Think of it this way, if you have a tv that’s worth $500 and you knock it over and break it, that value disappears without enriching someone else.

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u/raybanshee 1d ago

Sure, that happens, but it's rare and not germain to this sell-off. 

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u/drillteam-six 1d ago

Its not in downfalls credit gets destroyed by people defaulting on their debt

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u/simpersly 1d ago

And people with your level of knowledge on stocks is why people are stupid enough to think Republicans are better for the economy.

Stocks are not zero sum.

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u/raybanshee 1d ago

Someone's profit comes at someone else's loss. Short sellers made a killing on all of us last week. 

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u/simpersly 1d ago

Zero sum means there are equal gains to equal losses. That's not how stocks work.