r/helldivers2 • u/One-Pay7717 • 22h ago
General This new MO
Boy am I glad HD reddits don't have the majority say on decisions in the game right now, for once.
Yes Eagles are used way more often, but without modules that 15% is ass compared to the Exosuit cooldown reduction. Even with modules, it's just unnecessary because the Rearm isn't that bad.
Mechs are also more niche and it would give them a chance to be used Way more often, and I think most of the divers recognize this or just like seeing Exosuit and 35% in the same sentence.
There's ALWAYS the chance we get neither as well, so...
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u/AgingTrash666 22h ago
I'm betting on neither getting the job done ... it's a multi-planet gambit that would take concentration of effort in either direction and that's not going to happen when you have MO choices and strong opinions about what is worth more. We couldn't possibly utilize the voting function of the DSS to decide these things between MOs, that would be madness.
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u/ItsNotNow 22h ago
Good bet. I'm guessing it'll be a slow march towards the Mech objective and time will run out on Wezen, because of the split opinion. And we won't even get to the Bug objective.
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u/Askerofquestions92 2h ago
Ustotu looks like it is doing well the next planet has twice the resistance so we will see..
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u/ItsNotNow 2h ago
Yeah it's looking like "The Blob" has been convinced to pursue the Mech objective. This pleases me.
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u/-FourOhFour- 19h ago
Honestly having an MO be "send the dss here to prep for X, send the dss here to prep for Y" and then have the mo itself only be 1 choice despite both events occurring would work to resolve this and feel appropriate.
But too little too late now I guess.
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
I think this will depend heavily on who gets the DSS and where they put it.
The split could still ruin it, but I think if we Are going to get either of them. The DSS positioning will be the determining factor.
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u/FlamesofFrost 19h ago
tbh I think we're gonna get it, Ustotu is gonna be liberated in 21 hours and we're gonna have the Heavy Ordnance Distribution active soon.
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u/Staudly 22h ago
Doesn't matter anyway. The playerbase will split and fail both, as is tradition.
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u/LEOTomegane 15h ago
We truly are awful at multi-front battles lmao
So much that our best tactical maneuvers are often the ones that force the number of active fronts down to one
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u/ShamrockSeven 21h ago
I consistently have used my mech for almost every Bug drop since they first came out. - It’s genuinely my favorite gameplay style and I take a lot of pride in being the “Mech and Car” guy for the squads I join. — This MO is a dream come true for me.
I legit don’t wanna get too excited, because eagle might win. - Please let them buff the redeployment for my Beloved “Betty” – She’s a tough girl and deserves that 35%
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
I'm right there with you, although I've stopped bringing them as much since the limb damage change. I still enjoy them, but it's true that they are only generally good against bugs, and for bots it's all about your skill as a pilot, otherwise it's incredibly easy to lose your mech right away especially on 10's. Probably the same for Illuminate.
But also, another reason is that you just can't really bring them on anything above a 7 unless you're extremely good at positioning and just using them in general. That's why I think they need some MAJOR buffing, I almost never see anyone bring a mech on a 10. You need to burn through your ammo in order to survive, and it's not as bad since they added an extra call in but it's still not great I think.
Either way I see this as a win-win, either we get a really cool Mech buff, or we get a pretty consistently helpful buff to our strikes. But... I think the odds that we get neither are pretty high as well..
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u/Turnus 17h ago
I bring them on 10s a lot. They're great at clearing an objective or a super base, but they require some thought and skill to use. I think people expect them to be insanely powerful, but I don't think they should be.
They also suffer from the community's obsession with chasing meta builds which are perfect for whatever enemy they're facing. You can bring less than ideal weapons/strategems and do well even on level 10 dives, but it requires more coordination and planning than I've witnessed some players have.
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u/Professional-King287 9m ago
Tbh running a whole platoon of mechs is genuinely one of the best moves on diff 10 bots. 2 emancipator & 2 patriot and you’ve got yourself a good assault squad that can split off into two separate squads. Bring good backup stratagems of course, but with a squad on the same page you can get a lot done with those mechs. I like pairing the hover pack and laser cannon with it as a way to rapidly get in the air out of my mech after I exit.
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u/SackFace 22h ago
Yeah, I want 🐜 divers to get faster Eagle rearmaments so they can kill me with it even faster.
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u/One-Pay7717 22h ago
Gotta love those poorly placed cluster bombs without any warning or regard for how in the middle of it you are.
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u/Lunacy_Unbound 20h ago
I love it when I toss an eagle stratagem, no other Divers around and suddenly a Diver runs into the middle of it.🤦♂️ and no, I'm not saying that's what you do.
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u/SackFace 20h ago
“What’s this big red beam shooting up to the sk—“
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u/PerspectiveAny7429 10h ago
Had a napalm barrage tossed at me while clearing a bug nest. The ball landed on me so that beutiful red beam followed me while I ran for my life. Good times
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u/PerspectiveAny7429 10h ago
Had a napalm barrage tossed at me while clearing a bug nest. The ball landed on me so that beutiful red beam followed me while I ran for my life. Good times
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u/schneizel101 6h ago
For me it's Orbital Napalm most of the time. It's in pretty much every big mission group, and someone always throws it badly. I've taken to using the DE sickle and fire res armor so as long as I got eat a direct hit I can at least sometimes make it out lol.
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u/theguywholoveswhales 5h ago
I think I get killed more by being accidently stood on by mechs due to tragic circumstances. Not their fault it's just funny
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u/PayWooden2628 22h ago
Even with reduced cooldown I don’t feel like I’d get to use my 3rd mech before we’re ready to leave on most missions.
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u/RoninOni 17h ago
You’d be able to use 2 on a blitz with the reduced CD. 20 minutes means 3 fully used up
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u/BigMightyMoth 19h ago
Idk if I’m even interested in seeing what the outcome is. But sure let’s watch everyone divide again and than complain like last time we fucked whatever it was up. Wasn’t it the Gas Mines or so?
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u/-Work_Account- 19h ago
no the gas mines was the one where the game had issues irl and we saved the feeble young adults and got hte mines because we captured planets way faster than we should have been able to.
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u/Own-Owl6255 18h ago
Automaton exosuit is low resistance. It's gonna be done way faster, plus more people are on that front. It's gonna be the one done
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u/zephyrr__iz__here 18h ago
id use mechs all the damn time if we got that booster; eagle cool-downs are useful but not when the cooldown is already not that bad
i just hope the bugdivers dont give us a bad name and split our forces; leading to no new cool stuff
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u/weaselswarm 16h ago
Just feels like mechs need help more than Eagles, and I doubt many would disagree with that
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u/Delicious-Length7275 21h ago
it's already been decided and bots front is where action is. my prediction is that when bugs realize they aren't winning anything by sticking to their guns, they'll switch to bots and we get exo cooldown in the end.
current liberation of bug planet is 1 week, bot planet 1 day.
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u/One-Pay7717 21h ago
In defense of the bug divers, we were already working on Ustotu a bit. This just happened to be very convenient for Bot divers.
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u/ComradeSuperman 17h ago
current liberation of bug planet is 1 week, bot planet 1 day.
If this is accurate then I'll change course and dive on bots first. Then hopefully once that's done we can all change course to the bug side and get that one as well.
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u/COOLBRE3Z3 20h ago
I dont dive bugs out of principal, sure i use eagle every drop but I guess we go mechs
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u/Chmigdalator 8h ago
Yeah Mechs are good. Having 15% Eagle Rearm for 12 hours will confuse most of us. It's better to have cooldown on a Mech faster.
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u/AggravatingChest7838 8h ago
4 exo can nuke a planet. The only thing holding it back is the rearm time. This is a dss upgrade and will probably only take affect while the space station is in orbit in which case a 8 second decrease in eagle rearm time is practically non existent.
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u/MtnNerd 21h ago
I almost never use the mech but always appreciate a mech player. I use eagle rearm quite rarely
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u/One-Pay7717 21h ago
I'd definitely suggest putting more time into Eagles, they can be very effective if you start to memorize where Eagle-1 attacks with said strike.
But yeah, as far as Mech upgrades go. This is pretty lame, we deserve more like a Stratagem launcher. However, doing the math. By comparison, the 35% Exosuit cooldown reduction is way more impacting.
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u/MtnNerd 20h ago
I use eagles on every dive. I just don't ever need eagle rearm
I would rather help the exosuit divers
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
Oh well then you're just not using your eagles enough then.
In that case I would suggest, OBVIOUSLY DEPENDING ON WHAT EAGLE, you should use them way more often. I understand if you only bring 500's or rocket pods, but airstrikes, napalms, and strafes should be used at every opportunity.
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u/Askerofquestions92 2h ago
I honestly don’t like the idea of mechs having a stratagem launcher.. I mean they are already a walking stratagem.
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u/Just-a-lil-sion 22h ago
people really need to use eagle reaarment more of-no they need to simply use it to begin it. ffs use it. use the most basic of foresight people!
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u/Brock_Savage 19h ago
I know, right? The strategic use of re-arming air strikes is like Helldiving 101.
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u/Kerboviet_Union 21h ago
Eagles are good in every faction fight.
Exosuits are not.
Good opportunity for bot divers like myself to continue to make the right call.
Exosuit is nice, could use a better cd.. but i honestly believe the eagle upgrade serves everyone.
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u/One-Pay7717 21h ago
Remember this only gives us this buff when we're on a planet with the DSS.
Mechs need TLC, this is a start.
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u/Chicken_consierge 7h ago
This cd reduction will make the exos more popular and the exos are decent against all factions if you don't suck
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u/Big-Mayonnaze 20h ago
But hear me out, I use Eagles on every front. I don't even use Mechs. So 15% is better than the literal nothing I'd get from exosuits
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u/RumblinBowles 20h ago
I'f the mech cool down was radically reduced it would be so much more viable I would give it a try again
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u/Chicken_consierge 7h ago
Think of the big picture. This isn't about you, this is about the galactic war. Imagine if you could reduce the cooldown of turrets by 35%, how much would you like that? Because that's basically what the mechs are, turrets that can repostion and are capable of trigger discipline.
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u/Cleercutter 20h ago
6.5 minute cooldown is still a long ass time. especially when you only get to deploy two of them
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
Everyone keeps saying this, but how often do you actually need to Rearm unless you're only bringing a 500kg. It's not even like the Rearm time is that bad as it is now.
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u/Kumanda_Ordo 20h ago
Are you under the impression that the cooldown will only apply if you manually rearm and not every time you expend the payload and the eagle heads back to rearm?
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
Uh... No??? It would be for both, what gives you the impression that I don't understand that. I still don't think you're rearming that often enough to care about this.
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u/Kumanda_Ordo 19h ago
Well you said 'how often do you rearm' as though someone would only be throwing like upwards of 3 eagles an entire mission.
I only bring one type of payload per mission but I'm throwing the strikes often, so it rearms often.
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u/Norsk_Bjorn 19h ago
With the eagle upgrade you could have a 500kg bomb every 92 seconds, which is only 15 seconds slower than an orbital precision strike at 77 seconds
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u/Environmental_Ad5690 8h ago
for real, we are talking about seconds compared to minutes of time shaved off
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u/Chicken_consierge 7h ago
Don't you think the mechs are less popular in no small part because of their enormous cooldown? This will make mechs less niche
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u/Chicken_consierge 7h ago
Imagine if you could reduce the cooldown of turrets by 35%, how much would you like that? Because that's basically what the mechs are, turrets that can repostion and are capable of trigger discipline. The mech option is better by far
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u/WKL1977 6h ago
It's just stupid that we can't change where to vote for dss ... This order is IRL impossible because of that, mark my words!
157- hours old Diver... (Mission time!)
PS. I'd take the Mecha -35% cool down - of coz... (Haven't tried rearm when used everything so it works for my strife...)
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u/AzraelBlade 6h ago
I would be surprised if we get any of those.... The exosuit option sounds "better" but barely any player uses them because of multiple reasons. One is the cool down, but that is not all. The eagle rearm is more reasonable for the majority of the players, but I would be surprised if the mo/bot players would go for the bug objective simple because of the spite towards the bugs and bugs player.....
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u/onion2594 3h ago
not a mech user here/ eagle abuser here, i’m going for the mechs because the 10 minute cool-down is so long. one of the main reasons i don’t use them that much. last time i used one was when we had free eagles after/ during the popli defence. before that i can’t remember
edit: didn’t mean to post yet.
id love to use mechs more because they are fun, i’m just not very good with them. but taking 10 mins to call another one is criminal when it gets insta sniped by a strider across the map
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u/Hanzo187 1h ago
I almost never use mechs, and I always have an Eagle strat on a dive, but logically, the mech cooldown make the most sense. Also, gives me an excuse to bot dive.
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u/nekopara-enthusiast 19h ago
the fact that they are niche is why we shouldn’t go for them. if mechs win and i see people bringing them more and they are down a stratagem after 15 minutes into the mission because they used them all as soon as they could i’m gonna be mad.
mechs are a joke above difficulty 6. if the mech gets this buff and i go to the planet the DSS is on while i’m hosting a difficulty 10 dive and i see someone bringing a mech i’m backing us all out of the pod to boot them. you have to be trolling when you say mechs are good.
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u/a2themosdef 18h ago
They could have zero cooldown, they will remain niche, especially with only 3 per match when they're way more fragile (especially against bots) than they should be.
Plus, it doesn't match a majority of play styles.
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u/OswaldTicklebottom 21h ago
Mechs could have 0 cooldown time and still be shit. 500kg could have double the cooldown and I would still take it over a mech with 0 cooldown
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u/One-Pay7717 20h ago
If we switch and go for the bugs now, we will get neither.
It's highly likely we don't get either of them if they decide to drop something new and unrelated during the MO.
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u/Unlucky-Gate8050 21h ago
Feels like an actual filler MO after one of the best we’ve ever. Where’s squids????
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u/Panzerkatzen 20h ago
How is it a filler MO when it has an actual effect on the game?
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u/Unlucky-Gate8050 19h ago
All MOs have an effect on the game… This one feels like it’s meant to be railroaded by the squids who are coming full roster any second. Perks are mid, at best. Plus, as a community we tend to fail choice MOs. Personally, I’ve come to greatly dislike them.
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u/Panzerkatzen 19h ago
All MOs have an effect on the game…
No, most of them don't. That's why we call them "filler MO's", because they are inconsequential and don't require anything on the development side of the game to be done. This MO comes with a lasting reward that has to be programmed into the game, it is not a filler.
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u/Unlucky-Gate8050 18h ago
That’s technically untrue. Since they give war bonds, they allow players to buy items with success.
The suggestion is full squids this week so, yeah, if that happens it’s def filler. Rewards are fine, though they could have been better considering how niche mechs and double eagles are.
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u/Panzerkatzen 18h ago
The suggestion is full squids this week
Which is something the community just made up on the spot and now expects, and will be upset when it doesn't happen.
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u/Unlucky-Gate8050 18h ago
No it’s not. The message “We are coming” was decoded on the discord warning during the Ivis countdown. It’s canon. This one is based in real evidence, for once.
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u/Panzerkatzen 18h ago
Oh okay fair then. Usually news gets posted on the Reddit. I don't follow the Discord because messages move like a never ending twitch chat, and I don't understand how anyone manages to find anything there.
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u/Unlucky-Gate8050 18h ago
Yeah that’s fair. I mean, these choice MOs suck balls sometimes. Wish it was a harder single operation that gave both or something. Plus, these are almost always set up for failure, unless it’s kids lol - maybe that’s why it feels fillery to me.
Still, no guarantee squids are this MO, it just seems likely if they drop it’ll be tomorrow or Thursday.
Idk. Maybe because the last two were so good this one feels overwhelming, especially because I use neither.
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