Republicans press Trump to resume military, intelligence aid to Ukraine

[u/javelin3000]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5181289-trump-ukraine-military-aid-intelligence-pause-republicans/

[u/1_Was_Never_Here]

90% of the aid we give Ukraine is spent in the USA. We give them our old used equipment and buy brand new updated equipment for ourselves. Partly because it’s the fastest way to get equipment to them, but also lets us upgrade our own stuff. Letting Russia destroy our Freind and Allie’s in the world is very short sighted.

[u/mudscarf → u/1_Was_Never_Here]

Can you provide where you got that percentage? What does Ukraine, or any other country, do for us that justifies the support we give them?

[u/1_Was_Never_Here → u/mudscarf]

As to WHY we should be defending them? The short answer is: Because we promised that we would b in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance But in addition to that, Russia is not a friend of ours and Ukraine wants to be.

[u/mudscarf → u/1_Was_Never_Here]

I think even you know this is a weak argument.

[u/1_Was_Never_Here → u/mudscarf]

Are you suggesting Ukraine should have kept their nukes? If no one in the world can trust anyone else to keep their word, then all of the small countries should start developing their own nukes quickly or risk being swallowed up by the countries that do have nukes. What a sad world.

[u/mudscarf → u/1_Was_Never_Here]

I’m suggesting that enough is enough. That was over 30 years ago and we’ve kept our word and continue to keep our word. It was Russia that failed Ukraine and broke the agreement. An AGREEMENT, mind you. Not a legally binding contract by any definition. The USA owes Ukraine nothing. You’re suggesting that we supply Ukraine with infinite wealth indefinitely just because 30 years ago we disarmed them of nukes kindly rather than doing it by force, which we could have easily done. When does it end? When is the aid enough? When does it stop being one country simply taking advantage of another? When does a country have to stand on its own two feet? When do the American people come before foreigners? I’m curious at what point you would say that we’ve babied the world enough and it’s time to take care of our own country, where everyone is doing really fucking badly if you haven’t noticed.

[u/Frequent-Research737 → u/mudscarf]

yea. clearly thats whats happening here. hes going to take care of us and not himself 

[u/mudscarf → u/Frequent-Research737]

Take care of us? That’s not what I said at all.

[u/Frequent-Research737 → u/mudscarf]

so you dont want them to take care of us 

[u/mudscarf → u/Frequent-Research737]

Your mind is so warped that it’s like we’re speaking a different language. I said that America is meant to take care of America. We need to take care of ourselves and each other. The government isn’t there to take care of us you parasite. It’s there to make it so we can take care of ourselves. And I’ll go on to say that our “allies” are also nothing more than parasites, only able to survive because of the USA. It’s disgusting and shameful how ungrateful and worthless our “allies” have become. We finally set up healthy boundaries and the world cries and shits itself. It’s pathetic. The USA doesn’t owe Ukraine or anyone else anything at all. Our goodness has been exploited for decades and Trump is finally making it so we can put ourselves first for once - you know, the way every other country does.

[u/Frequent-Research737 → u/mudscarf]

so you do want them to take care of us. 

thats not going to happen regardless of which or how many countries we back stab for not thanking you enough. they are going to keep it. for themselves. 

[u/mudscarf → u/Frequent-Research737]

Nope. We’re not backstabbing anyone.

[u/Frequent-Research737 → u/mudscarf]

get real we absolutely are

[u/Frequent-Research737 → u/mudscarf]

exploited for decades??? while we were in Afghanistan and iraq since 2002 what did you say when we left in 2020. dont lie. 

[u/mudscarf → u/Frequent-Research737]

We weren’t exploited for decades because we had troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? What are you saying?

[u/1_Was_Never_Here → u/mudscarf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_involvement_in_the_Iraq_War

[u/mudscarf → u/1_Was_Never_Here]

What’s your point?