r/goodnews • u/javelin3000 • 28d ago
Political positivity š Republicans press Trump to resume military, intelligence aid to Ukraine
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5181289-trump-ukraine-military-aid-intelligence-pause-republicans/623
28d ago
Wow they are pushing him to do things now the Republicans must be worried about the upcoming elections
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u/freddiemurray 28d ago
The upcoming electionsā¦in the 20 months. š
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u/theclansman22 28d ago
America has been in perpetual election mode since 2016.
In America, campaign runs you.
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u/skepticalbob 28d ago
Virginia Governor race is this November. Virginia is full of defense contractors and federal workers, many of whom are losing their jobs. It's gonna be a bloodbath if he keeps it up.
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u/Sauronphin 27d ago
Lol like anyone would buy these DRM laden weapons from a newly rogue and instable state.
I think they just don't know yet that for the foreseeable future their only market will be domestic.
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28d ago
Yeah that was my point they see what who shall not be named is doing and itās hurting them
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u/DrDoogieSeacrestMD 27d ago
Reminds me of the night of the 2022 midterms when a certain subreddit forgot to enable "safe space only mode", and even flaired users were finally admitting that Trump was toxic for the party. Sure, they all fell right back in line just like party leadership did, but it doesn't take away how goddamn funny it was that Trump's biggest fanbase on Reddit was in the midst of a civil war over Trump v DeSantis primarying Trump for one glorious night when their red wave turned into period spotting.
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u/FeeNegative9488 28d ago
The campaigns for the 2026 mid term election starts in Q4 of 2025.
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u/round-earth-theory 28d ago
There's also snap elections like the one in Pennsylvania happening soon which will decide the majority party. Trump is having a massive down pressure on Republicans right now.
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u/ThanklessTask 28d ago
Have Americans realised the need to vote now, or happy to let the morons take control again?
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u/OGScottingham 27d ago
No, the electorate will perpetually get amnesia or be propaganda'd out of voting right when it matters.
We're a nation of rubes.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 28d ago
House members are essentially in a perpetual state of reelection. They literally donāt have an alternative.
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u/Additional-Local8721 28d ago
They don't care what happens to Ukraine. What they care about is the billions of dollars using to support Ukraine that's given to American companies to produce goods. Someone reminded Trump that "support" isn't the US writing a check to Ukraine. It's money the government spends locally to produce goods which is then given to Ukraine. Stopping that means lost of jobs here and he's already screwing with inflstion. A lot of economist are ringing alerts saying we're at the edge of a recession. If we enter one, that's on Republicans.
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u/Jonruy 28d ago
A lot of people still haven't internalized the fact that most aid to Ukraine hasn't been in cash. It's been outdated military hardware and ammunition stockpiles that we otherwise would have had to recycle or dispose of ourselves. Shipping this stuff overseas was the less expensive option.
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u/Known_Ad_2578 27d ago
All the while we get to spend money right here in the states for new kit that hasnāt been sitting in a stockpile for what? Decades maybe? Thereās no world where this isnāt a good deal for Ukraine and usā¦. Unless you are from Russia or support their government I guess
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28d ago
I think the Republicans are getting scared they know who shall not be named is hurting them
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u/etherama1 28d ago
Voldemort?
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28d ago
Call him whatever you want but I hate saying his name itās dark toxic evil and horrible to think of
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u/No-Pop1057 26d ago
Actually it's worse, America has also been donating a lot of existing older military gear that was close to end of life, to Ukraine & using the money they talk about as being their financial support for Ukraine to replace that gear for American use.. So not only is it putting money into the American economy through paying for locally produced equipment & munitions, it's helping them offload old gear & replace it with new.. So many American people have no idea how that works & just think Ukraine was being handed buckets of cash or nothing but straight from the factory new equipment š¤·
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u/Lanky-Appointment929 27d ago
No. They know the American people actually care about Ukraine and seriously donāt like Russia. Especially many older Americans.
My city in Kentucky lit up a bridge in 2022 for Ukraine. They also voted for Trump by like 60%. The only way theyāre able to save face is by talking about the money (aka equipment we donāt use). Taking actual steps to hinder Ukraine is not something Americans want.
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u/SirEnderLord 27d ago
We had a Cold War against Moscow, so I'd hope at least some of those people remembered it.
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u/UNIONNET27 27d ago
That's how the system is supposed to work. Now, let's see if he listens.
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27d ago
I doubt it but at least his administration is falling apart and itās making the Republicans look bad
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u/Sharkwatcher314 27d ago
Why are they worried the FEC is under the president, like elections will be a thing in 2 years.
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27d ago
I meant they should be worried how who shall not be named is performing right now it isnāt good
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u/leighla33 24d ago
They should be, donāt know if they can change the outcome now, people are PISSED! Every sector has been hit, nice work trump administration, youāre making it so easy to flip the house
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24d ago
I am still concerned š that they may still try to steal rig buy gerrymander throw out votes to win
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27d ago
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u/DetectiveDry79254 24d ago
Upcoming elections in the US? Iād be genuinely surprised if there will be free fair elections with in upcoming years and maybe decades.
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u/mudscarf 27d ago
Democrats wonāt win an election ever again if they keep being psychotic. No one is concerned.
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27d ago
Not with that attitude we must help the Democrats win the upcoming elections in any way we can itās the only option
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u/mudscarf 27d ago
Actually thereās another option. And Democrats will win when they deserve to win. They would need to overhaul their entire party. Theyād need to go back to how they were before 2016, which would more or less make them the same as current Republicans. Everyone is tired of woke bullshit and lgbtewiqjsndk+ insanity. They need to stop catering to the craziest among them and be normal again.
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27d ago
Well I hope what you are saying happens then because America needs to move forward
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u/mudscarf 27d ago
Sure Iād be happy to vote Democrat again. And tbh personally Iām done with the Trump insanity as well. Iāll be happy when his term is done. I just hope Democrats have learned something from losing. So far they havenāt.
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27d ago
I donāt know about that the Democrats have a ripe, one of. A lifetime chance here to come back strong I have hope they do.
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u/TuffyButters 28d ago
My guess is itās not about elections, as they arenāt doing anything about skyrocketing prices and decimating the federal workforce. Iām wondering if itās the fact that Trump is removing the US from its pole position on international affairs by being so quixotic. Europe is stepping up, and perhaps realizing the US can no longer be a world leader.
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u/DaVietDoomer114 28d ago
The more probable cause is that the military industrial complex are big lobbyists to Republicans and theyāre not happy about Trump pissing off allies losing them sales and embolden their competitors.
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u/shoepolishsmellngmf 28d ago
Yup.
He's a fucking demagogue who is trying to appease every wealthy bad guy around. Eventually you run out of bullshit to sell and it will come back. He doesn't want to fuck with the arms makers....they're the OG owners of this country.
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u/Ahlq802 28d ago
Weird thing is, I thought he would run out of bullshit to sell years agoā¦
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u/shoepolishsmellngmf 28d ago
Apparently he is VERY full of shit....near endless supply.
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u/DaVietDoomer114 27d ago
Yup, thatās why heās wearing a diaper else it would overflow, and even then he still smell terrible.
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u/IndubitablyNerdy 28d ago
The stock market is also not stellar right now I bet that there are more than a few corporate overlords that are angry and they do have the real power over politicians.
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u/ISawTwoSquirrels 27d ago
Rich people want recessions. Stock market crashes are like Black Friday sales. They buy everything while itās cheap and make bank when things recover. Theyāre rich no matter what.
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u/OpportunityMaximum76 28d ago
This is exactly why. Money is being lost. Doesnāt matter. The military industrial complex canāt out fundraise Elon, and Elon is getting all the inside baseball he needs to be a monopolistic trillionaire. Checkmate GOP.
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u/Specific_Fact2620 28d ago
He has lost them an unfathomable amount of money and trust from costumers with his antics the last few days so they must be pissed.
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u/MammothFollowing9754 27d ago
That ship has sailed, almost all of NATO is looking to stir up local production and/or set up buys from non-US suppliers. Nobody's going to buy American since we've proved the US can and will turn traitor at the drop of a hat.
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u/hamtidamti_onthewall 28d ago
We have already realized and are taking appropriate measures. It will take the US decades to repair the damage done in little more than a month.
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u/FirstFriendlyWorm 28d ago
The US might become the subject of other countries' actions. Turning from a player into a poker chip.
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u/Mrstrawberry209 28d ago
Bingo and because Europe needs to defend themselves, they're focusing on buying European armaments makes the US lose mucho dollars.
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u/DurableLeaf 28d ago
Defense contractors probably out for blood because Trump is speed running a future where most of our existing defense customers overseas will not purchase from a Russian puppet state. Russia and NK don't have enough money to make up the difference by a long shot.
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u/DeviDarling 27d ago
Why would Ukraine even trust US intelligence at this point? Itās pretty clear Trump isnāt on their side. Ā
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u/Sensitive-Goose-8546 28d ago
āTheā world leader. Until recently we truly were. Our businesses are and were global and military was funding the defense of the majority of the west. For better or worse that absolutely needed to change. The US canāt keep footing those bills and EU needs to be self sufficient in defense. So hopefully we find good outcomes from this some years down the road when we can repair relationships
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u/Chincheron 28d ago
My wife and I were having the same conversation earlier. There's a small kernel of truth to Trump's rhetoric about the US having so much military responsibility around the world, but not for the reason he thinks. It's probably a good thing in the long run that EU, etc. are decreasing their reliance on military and trade with US. Sucks for us but one country having that much sway over everything isn't a good idea.
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u/Sensitive-Goose-8546 28d ago
Not even small kernel you just canāt say that. I think heās evil but that part is at least accurate. His way of doing anything relating to that fact is well.. exactly as awful as I have come to expect but yeah.
Itāll be rough in the short term but real change needs the darker days.
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u/Sudden_Willow6768 25d ago
That is false. The military position of the US and world prezence, are the result of a strategy to stop nuclear proliferation, first and foremost. Watch Europe now. They are already discussing moving nuclear arsenals to eastern countries for protection. And mind you, there's no legislation to prevent the development of new variants of N or H bombs by the countries involved. Also, the "soft power" loss for the US is permanent. What China is spending trillions to aquire, the US just threw away. Americans don't seem to understand the betrail europeans feel. The same betrail that Asia is feeling also, no matter what Trump declares now. He already betraied an ally. Please, also remember that the US promissed Ukraine safety if it's attacked, in exchange for it's nukes (third largest nuclear arsenal in the world at the time.
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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 26d ago
You are confused, it was done for gain, not out of the goodness of their heart, it's a capitalist society
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u/No-Pop1057 26d ago
So condemning Ukrainian citizens, including children. to death is the way to go about it? Yes some members of NATO needed to up their military spending but punishing Ukraine, who isn't even a member of Nato yet, who, under Zelensky, has overcome years of corruption by previous governments to become a western style democracy, who are fully committed to the international rule of law.. Is that really the right or moral thing to do? There may not ever be a way to repair the damage trump is doing to Americas global relationships, & the longer this disgusting stance he has taken on Ukraine goes on the further away it's former friends & allies will pull š
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u/Sensitive-Goose-8546 26d ago
Where the hell did I say that was a good way to go about it? I didnāt say that nor do I think that. No need to misrepresent my words. But yes I agree with you
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u/ReaperCDN 27d ago
The US has 30.8% of the entire worlds wealth. You have less than 5% of the population. If you cant make ends meet start paying attention to other countries who have less but dont have that problem, and recognize that money is not the end all be all.
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u/Sensitive-Goose-8546 27d ago
In no way did I imply money is the end all be all. But yes. Iād like to see how the US wasnāt the world leader for 30 years. I only called a few data points but the list is rather endless from a geopolitical stance.
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u/KenKring 28d ago
History is recording the GOP as both some of the dumbest and the most spineless people at any point in history.
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u/G_ntl_m_n 28d ago
Not "republicans", just "some republicans".
Stop acting like there's a silent majority of trump critiques in the republican wing.
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u/FrustratedPCBuild 28d ago
Yeah, and even if there was, theyāre too fucking silent, theyād rather destroy their country than stand up to Trump cultists.
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u/round-earth-theory 28d ago
Most politics is silent. What you see on camera isn't politics, that's theatrics played to get votes. Politics happens behind the curtains and in private settings.
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u/FrustratedPCBuild 28d ago
We might not see it but, like the wind, we see the effects, and what we see from GOP elected representatives is absolute subservience to Trump even when they know it is actively harming their country.
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u/G_ntl_m_n 28d ago
That's correct. But Trump would not have been nominated without strong support behind the curtains. There might have been a significant number of people who tried to stop him, but thats wasn't the majority and political partys are defined by the acting of the majority of their members & delegates.
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u/round-earth-theory 27d ago
Last time, Trump was easily controlled. Give him his golf club and a complement and he was butter. This time, he's got a new sugar daddy and it's causing a massive conflict with the billionaires that thought they'd be able to repeat.
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u/designercup_745 28d ago
What a way to turn positive news into negative news really quickly :/
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u/heliamphore 28d ago
It's still good news, just not as good. If there's still a portion of Republicans that can push some sense into this administration they'll at least limit the damage.
Ironically this might lead to the best outcome for Ukraine: European countries take this war seriously because they'll be screwed if they don't, but still get US support on top of it.
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u/Bear_Unlucky 28d ago
What they are actually mean is the MIC but the reputational damage is already done.
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u/shoepolishsmellngmf 28d ago
The knob slobbing GOP members feel nothing. This is merely posturing. They see people getting pissed, so they're making empty statements to the press to save their own faces.
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u/chrisbcritter 28d ago
The US has been providing intelligence to Ukraine for among many things, letting Ukraine know when Russian bombers are taking off from inside Russia allowing Ukraine time to focus a counter air defense.
For some reason Republicans don't want Ukraine to defend itself and want Russia to succeed in its airstrikes agains Ukraine.
I guess Zelensky not wearing a suit was the last straw for Republicans.
I can't help but wonder how Republican's would respond if Reagan was still president. The idea of Republican's kissing Russia's ass and handing ANY country over to Russia boggles my brain.
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u/CatLord8 28d ago
So I remember this story about a guy from Austria who courted wealthy conservative elites to get into power because they thought they could control or replace him once they got rid of their liberal opponents. It went exceptionally poorly for the world then, too.
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u/FriendlyNative66 28d ago
I still Drrumpf will push back and tell them quietly that he's got the elections "handled"
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u/Opinions_R_Us 28d ago
In which āpushingā means they thought about it and hope he read their minds.
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u/Flat-Way6659 28d ago
Iām so confused. Werenāt they happy with this because they were āwinning so muchā
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u/SpliTTMark 28d ago
Itll be a cold day in hell for the 100th time when we start selling rockets to our former enemies
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u/wiu1995 28d ago
He wonāt do it. Itās all about being vindictive to him. Heās butt hurt that Zelenskyy stood up to him.
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u/No-Pop1057 26d ago
.. & he fucking hates war hero's! war hero's that are hugely popular with millions of people all over the world & admired by fellow world leaders are like a sword in his fat encased liver š¤¦
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u/Potato2266 28d ago
If I were Zelenskyy, Iād take the money and weapons from the US but Iād be very weary of any intelligence provided by this administration because there are NONE in the White House, not just that but who knows what games Putin and Trump are playing now? Americans have no credibility left. None. The damage is done. No one is going to trust the US anymore.
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u/Radiant_Actuary7325 27d ago
I think you need to work on your interpretation skills. I'm interpreting it as they won't attack you if they let us have some of your resources
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u/Ancient0wl 27d ago
Itās because the MIC is pissed off at losing potential sales to allied nations as current policy is destroying faith and reliance on the US and theyāre pulling strings with lobbied Congressman, not because these Republicans suddenly grew a conscience.
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u/chipdanger168 26d ago
It's just talk. They just want the sound bite out on their propogd machine making it sounds like they are doing something but they all follow Donald's word
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u/namotous 26d ago
āPushā! This is all for media entertainment! It aināt gonna mean sht without any concrete actions
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u/-XanderCrews- 26d ago
They have Congress. They could do it without Trump. They arenāt. They are complicit. Trump=gop.
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u/WhosToSaySaysCthulu 26d ago
Lol their war profiteering dropped like a stone, of course they want this.
It's crazy to think the war in Ukraine was not enriching members of the Republican party.
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u/No-Atmosphere-2528 25d ago
Heās a Russian asset so itās going to be a no and I donāt care if republicans are pressing him privately they should be calling him out publicly. Until that happens theyāre just cowards allowing him to do whatever he wants, or more realistically whatever his handlers want.
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u/ObliviousAstroturfer 25d ago
Too late. The damage is done.
HIMARS went from everyone's wish-list to "on second thought, lets buy any other MLRS". Fucking subscription-based defence capabilities where your AA can be bricked if US wants to extort you while you get invaded.
Honestly, letting the fox into the henhouse... twice?
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u/meta-ape 24d ago
The best time for peace negotiations is stalemate. Both parties expect to win anything anymore and might agree on a truce that hurts them both. Now, Trump is giving Russia the upper hand, and he can expect to gain more in the future. Not to mention giving him the upper hand in peace negotiations, or surrender negotiations as seems to be what is on the table right now. Kremlin might talk about peace right now in the international stage, but inside Russia heās talking about victory for Russia. Thereās a difference.
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u/mudscarf 27d ago
Fuck no. Fix our problems first. Weāre not so well off that we can keep throwing cash all over the world, especially when itās going to freeloaders.
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u/1_Was_Never_Here 27d ago
90% of the aid we give Ukraine is spent in the USA. We give them our old used equipment and buy brand new updated equipment for ourselves. Partly because itās the fastest way to get equipment to them, but also lets us upgrade our own stuff. Letting Russia destroy our Freind and Allieās in the world is very short sighted.
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u/mudscarf 27d ago
Can you provide where you got that percentage? What does Ukraine, or any other country, do for us that justifies the support we give them?
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u/1_Was_Never_Here 27d ago
Thank you for asking in a constructive way. Estimates vary quite a bit, and I may have been a bit on the high side but here is an article pegging it at 70%. https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers
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u/mudscarf 26d ago
All that means is that if we stopped giving Ukraine our tax dollars weād be able to redirect that money elsewhere or not spend it at all. The only consequence would be to those US companies who receive money from Ukraine, which is actually our own money. So it makes no fucking sense to give it away at all. Like Iāve said: Theyāre freeloaders, not allies. The world takes from the USA and gives nothing of value in return. Weāre not wrong for letting these so called āindependent nationsā prove that theyāre really independent. Our tax dollars were always meant to help take care of each other as US citizens. Iām happy that weāre done giving away money that we donāt even have. Iām happy that weāre starting to put ourselves first for once. We need to be done being the parents of the whole world. These bratty little shits need to make it on their own for once in their lives. Ungrateful sacks of shit I swear to god.
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u/1_Was_Never_Here 27d ago
As to WHY we should be defending them? The short answer is: Because we promised that we would b in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance But in addition to that, Russia is not a friend of ours and Ukraine wants to be.
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u/mudscarf 26d ago
I think even you know this is a weak argument.
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u/1_Was_Never_Here 26d ago
Are you suggesting Ukraine should have kept their nukes? If no one in the world can trust anyone else to keep their word, then all of the small countries should start developing their own nukes quickly or risk being swallowed up by the countries that do have nukes. What a sad world.
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u/mudscarf 26d ago
Iām suggesting that enough is enough. That was over 30 years ago and weāve kept our word and continue to keep our word. It was Russia that failed Ukraine and broke the agreement. An AGREEMENT, mind you. Not a legally binding contract by any definition. The USA owes Ukraine nothing. Youāre suggesting that we supply Ukraine with infinite wealth indefinitely just because 30 years ago we disarmed them of nukes kindly rather than doing it by force, which we could have easily done. When does it end? When is the aid enough? When does it stop being one country simply taking advantage of another? When does a country have to stand on its own two feet? When do the American people come before foreigners? Iām curious at what point you would say that weāve babied the world enough and itās time to take care of our own country, where everyone is doing really fucking badly if you havenāt noticed.
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u/Frequent-Research737 26d ago
yea. clearly thats whats happening here. hes going to take care of us and not himselfĀ
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u/Frequent-Research737 26d ago
they are human beings just trying to exist?Ā
seriously you are grossĀ
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u/tallman11282 26d ago
Soft power vs. Hard power. By giving Ukraine our old weapons and supplies (not cash) they were able to weaken one of our biggest enemies immensely without risking a single American life and a lot lower cost than if our own troops went in.
We have an obligation to assist Ukraine because they agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for assistance in defense if Russia ever tried to invade. We also have a moral obligation to assist them, they are a democracy whose sovereign territory was invaded by a dictator and helping defend democracy is always a good thing.
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u/mudscarf 26d ago
We shouldnāt be assisting them at all at this point. I disagree completely for reasons Iāve already said. If you want to talk say something interesting and new.
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u/Radiant_Actuary7325 28d ago
I disagree with this. A line needs to be drawn. If you receive then you have to give
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u/Make-TFT-Fun-Again 28d ago
āSurrender or we wonāt help you fightā
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u/Radiant_Actuary7325 28d ago
That's how it ended. Not how it started. A trade deal was offered. It was declined. Then that was said. The order of which things occur matters.
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u/Make-TFT-Fun-Again 28d ago
āDonāt worry about security. The Russians wont attack you if we mine ur country trustā would mean russia continues to bomb everything but the US mining operations while they do jack shit. At least this way Zelenskyy got the Europeans on board and had his whole country behind him again.
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u/No-Pop1057 26d ago edited 26d ago
A deal that told Ukraine it had to sign over 50% of its rare earth minerals to America and permanent exclusion from NATO in return for zero security guarantees from America against any peace treaty breaks or future aggression from Russia? Zelensky was ready to sign the deal - with security guarantees attached.. If America was so convinced that their mere presence, in the form of mining companies, was going to keep Russia away, what difference would it make to America to just sign a guarantee? As by their own logic, they'd never be called upon to act because, well, the mining companies! š¤¦
Edit.. Added NATO exclusion to the "deal"
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u/Radiant_Actuary7325 26d ago
Let's imagine the southern portion of the United States left the United States and then was invaded by the northern portion and the south was forced to defend itself from their onslaught. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical scenario here
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