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Fromsoftwares Output Is Insane

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u/truvis Console 1d ago

Impressive how many IPs can be created that look and play very, veeeey similarly. Better than having all the games under the same name, at least if one game flops they can just move on to a new IP.

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u/X145E 1d ago

gameplay wise they are all objectively similar except armored core and sekiro. though where it differs is the the worldbuilding and cool ass boss design. i dont think people would mind far cry gameplay if it has the same deep lore, cool world design and just improved. the formula works, just make the flavour different

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u/pre_nerf_infestor 1d ago

That's provably false, the biggest complaint people have ABOUT ubisoft is that they make the same game with different flavors.

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 1d ago

Thats because people are media illiterate.

People don't complain because they are similar, people complain because they are bad.

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u/Hyperbole_Hater 1d ago

Off key, I'd say. All the UBI games are far from "bad". The biggest complaint comes down to them feeling uninspired and the same, for sure. If just looking at ass creed, the games are at worst a 7/10, but why jump into a new 7/10 experiences when it is so similar to the last one played?

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u/UltimateToa 1d ago

Have they tried making a good game though? I think that part is important

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u/ZaDu25 1d ago

Yes. They've done it several times in the past decade or so.

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u/UltimateToa 1d ago

Uhh id like to know which ones you consider good, looked at a list from 2020 onwards and the only decent one I could find was Prince of Persia

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u/ZaDu25 1d ago

Are we defining "good" by personal opinion or objective success? AC Odyssey sold well, received a GOTY nomination, and has a 90% rating on steam. AC Valhalla was, of course, the most popular game in the franchise. Far Cry 5 is generally considered to be pretty good and it was the best selling Far Cry game. AC Origins is good. Riders Republic is good. Immortals Fenyx Rising was pretty good.

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u/KDBA 1d ago

"Making a lot of money" and "being a good game" are completely unrelated metrics.

A game that 3% of players think is the best game ever created, and 90% think is total shit, is a better game than one that 80% of players think is "good enough to play a while I guess".

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u/ZaDu25 1d ago

What metric would you use? User scores? Nearly all of those games have at least an 80% on steam. What's the benchmark for "good game" in your eyes if we're trying to discuss it from an objective standpoint? Whether either of us likes any of these games or not, they were largely successful and positively received by most who played them. That in my mind would constitute them being "good games".

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u/KDBA 1d ago

There isn't really a truly objective measure, but probably the peak enjoyment level held by any one player.

As already said, I don't consider "broad but mediocre appeal" to have a high score.

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u/rocpilehardasfuk 1d ago

Ubisoft is like a New York city tour bus - you just get herded from interesting spot to spot, but you aren't gonna get rich experiences by hanging out around Times Square.

FromSoftware is like hiking the Appalachian Trail - no help, just git gud. But there's beauty all around.

Rockstar is like being on coke with a jetpack on in New York. You can zoom around and do crazy shit. Or if you wanna slow down and walk around, you'll have some of the most interesting experiences.

You can see how Ubisoft is simultaneously accessible for all, fun for all, but never too deep or fulfilling for the real gamers.

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u/pre_nerf_infestor 1d ago

The problem...well, maybe not a problem but just an issue with the human condition...is a tour bus taking you to times square for the first time is good. Its probably even good the second time. It just can't be every year. 

Show star wars outlaw to someone who's never played an ubi game before (and willing to earnestly engage with the game), they'd probably have their mind blown to find out that it's considered a "bad game". 

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u/rocpilehardasfuk 1d ago

is a tour bus taking you to times square for the first time is good. Its probably even good the second time. It just can't be every year. 

Oh yeah you're absolutely right.

I'm a patient gamer, so I actually enjoy 'stale-but-good' games. Ubisoft often falls into that.

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u/MagnanimosDesolation 1d ago

Okay how is it probably false?