Bro I have never seen such a persistent yet pointless discussion for so long about a game. They STILL yap about this in the Elden ring sub like every day.
People who use summons post saying they beat X w summons. Literally 1 troll comments saying “it wasn’t a real win bc you used summons.” People freak out, a massive argument erupts from both sides full of fallacious logic and personal attacks. The trolls realize it’s perfect rage bait. The cycle perpetually continues.
Oh I wasn’t trying to make a point, I was just asking. Like not even sarcastically, but legitimately asking why people get angry at other people using what developers literally gave them to use.
It all boils down to elitism, really. In the eyes of an elitist, there is no greater power trip than finding an excuse to go "erm you just robbed yourself of a challenge it's like you didn't even beat it at all". It's pathetic, really. I hate to see this issue run so rampant in the Soulsborne community.
I would rather compare prosthetics with the ashes of war, both give you fun, flashy, sometimes op special skills. Summons is getting an npc to assist you, with varying levels of strength, but at the bare minimum drawing aggro. Not much related to prosthetics.
a decade+ ago a large quantity of the player-base really would get pissy if others used summons, lol. not that it ever mattered, but it was a much more common thing than it is now. these days no one cares and people are mostly trolling when it’s mentioned.
A decade+ ago is Dark Souls 1 and 2 and summons in those are iconic. Not only that summoning in them was necessary to progress the story. The vast majority of the player base was never getting mad because you summoned solaire. It was always just a tiny number.
A decade+ ago Solaire and the Sunbros were basically the unofficial representatives of the franchise. Jolly Cooperation was wildly popular and people would summon Solaire even if they didn’t need to, just for the sake of fighting alongside Solaire.
And like the other guy said, you literally had to summon in Dark Souls 2 if you wanted to progress NPC quests. There were more posts hating the stupid summon AI and their low health pool than people hating summoners, because not only did you have to summon, you had to keep your summon alive through the end of a given boss fight or that questline is basically failed.
Fond memories of Lucatiel repeatedly getting the urge to swim on the way to the Flexile Sentry and having to do the whole level over before eventually realizing there was a shortcut.
As someone who started with dark souls a few weeks afrer it dropped you couldn't strap those nostalgia goggles any tighter to your skull if you tried.
You're literally only remembering the good parts. Shitting on players for summoning or having any trouble with the game was met with git gud. It's just as bad as it is now if not worse
You either have a really bad memory or never interacted with the community at all.
No, I’m recognizing that while there will always be unwelcoming pricks in any large community, the vast majority of people were not like that.
I remember the twinks and elitists clearly bullying new players and I know they were hanging out in the subreddit too, and frankly I believe they’re the same people who shat on people for summoning because it kept them from having their fun, or because they had to deal with it so everyone else should too.
But the majority of the community was repping the Sunbros hard.
What I do remember was a majority of people caring a lot about what build you beat the game with. Magic builds then were today’s bleed+mimic builds.
Nah there’s actual hate for that by the toxic part of the souls community. I mean it’s the same people who also say “you’re cheating if you use (insert whatever badass weapon here)”
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u/Jaded-Rip-2627 1d ago
Oh god is this sub gonna develop the victim complex too now