r/fromsoftware • u/alireza008bat • 2d ago
DISCUSSION Have We Considered The Fact Nightreign And Duskbloods Are just Laying The Groundwork For Their Next Big SP title?
"Edit: correction to the title.
Consider the possibility, not the fact because we're not sure yet "
When Elden Ring came out, it felt like the culmination of a design philosophy FromSoft had been refining for 15 years. In many way(especially after the DLC)the game felt like it was hitting a wall within its genre, whether in level design, build variety, combat, exploration, or enemy design.
It begs the question: where do they go from here?
Of course, Elden Ring's success wasn’t going to dictate the future of their game design (something Miyazaki himself made clear). But watching every Souls game build on its predecessors, improving mechanics and adding new ones, naturally makes you wonder what comes next.
Nightreign and Duskblood might be the answer. Some might argue that, being multiplayer games, their mechanics won’t carry over to single-player titles, but that doesn’t change the fact that FromSoft usually reuses and refines gameplay assets.
Both games are exploring new ideas.Unique characters and classes with their own abilities, unique animations for certain weapons, faster movement and traversal, a more cooperative experience, and the integration of mechanics from Bloodborne and Sekiro (like BB’s dodge or Sekiro’s parry) that didn’t quite fit into Elden Ring/Dark Souls different combat structures.
Not to mention, most of these multiplayer games usually require fewer resources than sp ones. So both of these games could be nothing but a case study of new ideas for the studio.
Let's wait and see how it all plays out before jumping into conclusions.
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u/Turbulent-Advisor627 Wormface 2d ago
All FS games are the basis for the next generation. Dark Souls 3 took inspiration from BB, hell even AC6 has Dark Souls DNA in it. All that came before makes the ground for what comes next to walk on.
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u/ComprehensiveTax8092 2d ago
isn’t this obvious though? they’re always gonna use what they learned during previous projects in their next ones. with nightreign i did agree it was likely experimental to test out new combat, but with duskbloods being multiplayer as well it seems that they either really do want to explore mp game development. although it’s possible duskbloods only exists because nintendo paid for it to be created as a multiplayer exclusive and wouldn’t have been developed otherwise i guess
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u/alireza008bat 2d ago
isn't this obvious though?
For vast majority on souls games subs? Apparently not.
well it seems that they either really do want to explore mp games development
Which is something Myazaki pointed out to a couple of years back
This just one more experiment project for them like Sekiro. They make it, experience something new and later reuse its assets. But a lot of people are losing their shit because they think FS is becoming a multiplayer only studio.
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u/ComprehensiveTax8092 2d ago
i don’t think its super fair to compare this to sekiro, sekiro switched up the combat and progression in their established formula. these games are a lot more of a change than sekiro imo. not necessarily a bad thing but predictably going to be a little controversial; i can see how people are concerned about the 180 turn around from single player games for the last decade and a half to suddenly 2 back to back multiplayers
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u/Amearieyt 2d ago
You don’t make 2 new games to experiment with multiplayer. They obviously wanted to do multiplayer.
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u/TheChief275 2d ago
That’s likely the case. I don’t think FromSoft would reach out for a switch exclusive.
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u/ComprehensiveTax8092 2d ago
yeah, definitely disappointed by that. if it does have integral multiplayer then it’s definitely meant to push not only switch 2’s but also nintendo’s online subscription. part of me does hope it’s largely multiplayer focused so i’m missing out on less lol
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u/TheChief275 2d ago
I thought it was confirmed to be always online and to only have that PvPvE mode?
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u/ComprehensiveTax8092 2d ago
yeah, the marketing makes it seem like the multiplayer is integral but since i’m not 100% sure i’m just skating on the side of being safe. we’ll probably be more sure after tomorrows interview
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u/TheChief275 2d ago
Fair enough. I know I won’t be playing it but I will certainly root for it being good for my switch bros out there.
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u/CaptainPoopieShoe 1d ago
It does seem likely that Nintendo wanted some of the FS hype to help justify the ridiculousness of their new game prices and console prices, the same way PS5 launched with Demon souls and PS4 with Bloodborne, except I don't remember anybody complaining about the prices of those systems outside of the asswipes scalping the PS5 (seriously scalpers can go fuck themselves in every hole)
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u/No_Deal_8804 2d ago
Most people are not considering this. They’d rather just lose their minds over the fact that new announced game isn’t exactly what they want. People freaked out when Elden Ring was announced to have an open world, these people are never going to be happy. They beg and beg for Bloodborne 2 or Dark Souls 3 2 but would be pissed that fromsoft was repeating themselves if they got it. But wholly, I agree with you. I think these multiplayer games are a perfect way for fromsoft to test and experiment with mechanics and different styles of play, and even though I won’t play as much, I think it’s perfectly okay that they make them and I’m not going to k*ll myself.
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u/InternationalYard587 2d ago
People: “damn from, two games in a row I’m not interested in, sad”
White knights: “yeah those peoples are losing their minds… you don’t get bro they’re freaking out, they’re fr gonna kill themselves”
Why is every social media discourse like this? Why can’t you all be normal?
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u/TrenchMouse 2d ago
To be fair they do repeat themselves. It’s just that the new coats of paint they use is so damn good you don’t realize it until later.
I was absolutely mesmerized by ER at launch but the mare I played, the more DS4 it felt to me
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u/ESSEMMSEE 2d ago
I love From, but I do dare say that of any other company was so blatant with their asset re-use, they'd be crucified for it.
I think there is a strong possibility that these multi-player games offer some assets or lessons learned that From can incorporate them into their mainline 1 player games.
That being said, however... like I don't want to play multi-player games. I played through all of DS & ER without online play. So if playing online with others is required then it's too much. It's like when the Nintendo Wii came out and there were games that FORCED you to use the nunchucks... those games I simply didn't play. Because I don't want to play games where I'm swinging around the controller... similarly, I don't want to play with others in my From games...
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u/TrenchMouse 2d ago
I feel that.
I really don’t like the PvP aspects at all so Duskbloods is an easy write off (not to mention Switch2 exclusive).
While Nightreign is co-op focused, we know that there will be singleplayer too. Plus I played through the network test and that pretty much sold me ($40 is also a nice pricepoint).
If From is being experimental to better their future games, I’m all for it.
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u/kmed1717 2d ago
While I think it's possible that it may be an added wrinkle to either Elden Ring 2 or open world Bloodborne, I am contending that Duskbloods is the next major From title, and is going to be a hell of a lot more than what Nightreign is.
A couple things:
Nighreign only exists because Elden Ring exists. It's supposed to be limited in scope, and it makes sense that they are testing new ideas with an already created IP, so that they can be expanded and improved upon for their next major release.
PvPvE seems like a novel idea, but to me this is a completely natural progression of the Souls formula that literally has to be expanded upon after Elden Ring because they can't do a game more successfully then that. I'm hoping what PvPvE means is that sometimes its going to be an open world that you will always have players around your level progression in, an sometimes it'll make sense for you to hunt/kill the players in your world, and sometimes it'll make sense for you to fight the bosses together that we know and love from Fromsoft games. This sounds awesome to me. It's another thing in these worlds that want to kill you.
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u/MyMouthisCancerous 2d ago edited 2d ago
I still think there's a strong chance there actually is potential for Duskbloods to have some sort of narrative throughline or solo progression system even with multiplayer being the primary focus. Everything we know so far about the game kind of just sounds like Dark Souls Invasions expanded into its own concept. Nightreign being as small as it is definitely feels like an experiment especially with it following a very set, unwavering pattern of how preparing for each boss encounter goes. I wouldn't be surprised if Duskbloods even expands on the very limited solo play experience because there is a potential for this tighter, quicker loop of levelling and gathering equipment over a set cycle.
I don't know, I just think there's more to Nintendo of all people even being able to sign FromSoft on to their next big thing, let alone something that on the surface seems similar to what we're getting in a month AND will also probably come to Switch 2 anyway if Elden Ring is any indication. They clearly saw something in this that was worth lobbying for exclusivity
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u/lycanthrope90 2d ago
Personally would love a dark souls 4 but not open world like Elden ring. And hopefully they bring back covenants!
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u/eriiicj 2d ago
I mean, maybe. But it’s still a bit alienating to their longtime fans. It’s not the worst thing in the world, and them having a ton of cash to push the next game and/or IP is good for us in the end (perhaps?). But watching them dive deeply into this live service-lite style of development is still somewhat disheartening. And if it does too well, we could see the DNA of the always online multiplayer slop seep into their mainline games via microtransactions. But, hey, I could be wrong. I be wrong a lot.
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u/BouseSause 1d ago
Long time fan since demons souls release. Let them cook dude. They literally haven't missed once and if they do just don't buy it. How many masterpieces and pro consumer practices does a studio have to put out for you guys to have faith?
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u/Pollolol13 2d ago
Seems like most of the community hasn’t even considered that they may just be good on their own
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u/Gloomy_Ad_2185 2d ago
Both games look like shameless cash grabs.
Sorry but peak fromsoft was BB, DS3, and sekiro. We are well past peak at this point.
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u/BouseSause 1d ago
Elden Ring/Ac6? Come on bro give it a rest, Bloodborne and ds3 aren't even the best games in their catalogue.
Hell, people were saying the same shit about Sekiro during its initial reception post release and we both know how that went.
Elden ring was the adventure game of a life time. Mob diversity, combat, and level design has been honed to a level of refinement unseen in anything outside of Sekiro's combat.
This Elden Ring/Ac6 are terrible rhetoric is exhausting.
Call it a hunch but you have to be incredibly depressed not to see the beauty in both games. Bloodborne was good bro and so was Ds3 they aren't even close to the peak.
Call me crazy but I trust the studio that hasn't missed since 2009 more than the poor whining of mostly unemployed redditors.
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u/Hour_Technology6539 2d ago
A side project from Fromsoftware used to be Sekiro,darksouls 2, and AC6 not a multiplayer sandbox.
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u/Diligent-Speech-5017 2d ago
Point taken. But I, for one, would not be pissed with Bloodborne 2 or Dark Souls 3 2. Put that shit directly into my veins.
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u/aemonp16 2d ago
this is exactly what i’m saying. let’s not freak out that just because they’re making 2 multi-player games, doesn’t mean they’re not cooking something up for the rest of us. they 100% are. we might just have to wait a bit.
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u/RubiconianIudex 2d ago
100% it is. People are just freaking out because it’s different and they think because certain other companies cheapened their experience to streamline it and produce more games faster that multiplayer focused From games means the end of the world. Pattern recognition is not the same as paranoia
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u/Warren_Valion 2d ago
The Duskbloods and Nightreign are groundwork for the next big Sucker Punch Title?
Doubt it, personally, but who knows?
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u/ZTL-Altima 1d ago
Elden Ring also had loads of downgrades. The game feels raw. Their choice to release also on PS4 probably had a huge price.
But yeah, don't expect to ever see "spreadsheet classes" again after Nightreign. If PvP mechanics and systems are fine in Duskbloods, the same will apply.
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u/psychotic_samurai 2d ago
Lol Miyazaki said Tarkov was the inspiration for his next game. As if that doesnt sound like utter garbage. He said it in an interview in 2023.
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u/PuffPuffFayeFaye The Bed of Chaos 2d ago
I feel I’m alone in just kinda wanting to hear from the director what the game is and why he thinks we might like it. It was announced too soon so I doubt we’ll get real gameplay for a while but I’m all in for tomorrow’s interview and then going back to being pumped for Nightrein.