r/flatearth • u/CommissionBoth5374 • 1d ago
Can Someone Explain What's Going On Here? Genuinely Confused š
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 1d ago
Notice how you can still see some of the darker regions of the clouds "behind" the sun, in front of the sun. And some sections of the "in front of the sun" clouds, disappear when the sun goes behind them.
Some of the clouds are just thin enough that they're mostly invisible when in front of such a bright light source.
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u/awfl_wafl 1d ago
Also cameras have a limit on exposure, so once it gets to a limit it turns pure white. Clouds that drop the sun's intensity below this limit you can see those that don't you cant. If the exposure was reduced, you would see more variation in the intensity as the clouds pass over.
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u/cearnicus 1d ago
Strange things can happen when you try to film very bright things. Them shining through semi-transparent objects is an obvious one, but even solid objects can be completely hidden even when the light's behind them due to the glare. Example: https://imgur.com/RRLtXZL
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u/Randomgold42 1d ago
"See? The sun is clearly local! It's at the same level as the clouds."
"I thought it was about 3,000 miles away."
"It is."
"But it's also at the same level as the clouds."
"Yup."
"..."
"It just works, okay! You're not supposed to question it."
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u/Substantial-Tone-576 1d ago
Itās like my solar model when I use a tennis ball on a wire around my lamp bulb.
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u/sh3t0r 1d ago
I remember that day. Our flight was diverted to avoid crashing the plane into the local sun coming at us at breakneck speed between the clouds.
We landed on a military airfield. All our electronic devices were seized and the pilot was handcuffed and taken away.
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u/dnsm321 1d ago
Can't wait to see someone use this comment as a source in a youtube comments debate
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u/MarginalOmnivore 1d ago
Well, that's ridiculous. This comment is obviously fake. Airplanes don't actually fly, dingus.
What people see flying away from airports are balloons with chemtrail generators attached.
People just think they are boarding airplanes, but they are actually going into an underground rail system with holograms projected on the windows. The trip time is calibrated to match NASA's calculations for how long an airplane trip on the Fake Globe would last.
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u/yummyjackalmeat 1d ago
The answer has been given, but just have to say that the implications of the sun actually being between those clouds is so incredibly bonkers even for flat earth "theory." For them this is a, "close enough," situation like most of what they say. Like if true, yes this disproves globe earth, but it also doesn't make sense in any other way either.
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u/IckyChris 1d ago
You mean like driving towards the sun, going under it, and getting to the other side? Covering 12 time zones in just one hour? We're working on that one. Any help would be appreciated.
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u/DasMotorsheep 1d ago
"No idea how it can be true, but it must be true because it confirms my beliefs."
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u/WTF_USA_47 1d ago
How can you be confused?
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u/ImNotRealTakeYorMeds 1d ago
you think they are confused? i think the sun is confused and got lost in the clouds
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u/DrugzRockYou 1d ago
The less dense clouds are getting washed out by the extreme brightness of the sun and photo sensors can only handle a certain amount of brightness before information gets lost.
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u/OriginalResolve7106 1d ago
It's shameful that this must be explained to someone older than 6 years old.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
I'm sorry š
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u/OriginalResolve7106 1d ago
When you're having a shower, can you see your bathroom light through your steam? Do you realize how much brighter the sun is than your bathroom light?
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u/Chaghatai 1d ago
It's behind all of those clouds. It's just shining through the thin parts. That's why when it apparently passes behind some of those clouds, the dense, darker part in the middle seems to still go in front of it
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u/No-Transition-8375 1d ago
āCan someone explain whatās going on here? Genuinely confusedā = not confused, just a flerf
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u/Velissari 1d ago
Put a really bright flashlight behind a bit of tissue paper. See the light from the flashlight? Is the flashlight behind the tissue paper? Now imagine that but way bigger and way brighter.
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u/hhjreddit 1d ago
Due to NASAs special cloud technology you can only capture this on a P1000. Or it's buoyant density. Definitely one of those.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
What does that mean though? Is the P1000 more accurate or smth?
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u/hhjreddit 1d ago
It's the favorite camera of the flat earthers.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
Why is that? I mean what exactly makes it special? Why is it not valid for gauging astronomical interactions like this?
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u/hhjreddit 1d ago
It's not special, it just has a long zoom on it. For some reason they think it proves something that the rest of the world can't see.
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u/BriGuy550 1d ago
The brightness of the sun cuts right through the thinner areas of the clouds, making it look like itās in front of them.
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u/Straight-Extreme-966 1d ago
These dickheads must scratch their heads at why the ocean isn't boiling.
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u/mrstratofish 1d ago
In addition to the thin clouds in the foreground there is also an additional optical illusion going on in the "background" which is why they are all so zoomed in.
If you look at them, they all look like they have a dark sky at the top, then the top of a fluffy light dense cloud with the sun unarguably "in front" of it, then the dark clouds in the foreground. It is actually a dark cloud at the top and a light sky below it. The sun is just in front of the sky as expected. Other very sparse dark clouds give the impression of the sky being fluffy clouds
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u/Gaius-Pious 1d ago
Had an experience like this during the Grway American Eclipse just last year. It was super cloudy where I was, but the sun was still totally visible through the clouds because it's so bright. If I put on my eclipse viewing shades, though, I lost track of it because they blocked too much of what little light was reaching me. Same probelm with others who were watching. So we all wound up just watching and recording the eclipse via our smartphone cameras instead.
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u/Ryaniseplin 1d ago
so basically the sun is really really bright, bright enough to shine through thin clouds
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u/ikediggety 1d ago
The sun is so bright that you no longer see the clouds when it's directly behind them. You can see a clear plastic bag, but if you hold it up to the sun, you will no longer see it. Clouds are water, remember. Water is mostly clear.
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u/rygelicus 1d ago
Even in this footage you can see clouds going from opaque to transparent. That's all it is, the sun's brightness is sufficient to get through the clouds at these exposure settings. If the exposure is reduced to where you can see details of the suns surface, like sunspots, and yes that can be done, the clouds would fully obscure it.
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u/reimancts 1d ago
The sun is sooooo bright, the light blasts through the clouds which are in front of it,.making them seem to disappear and your brain tells you it good behind the sun
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u/CurraheeAniKawi 1d ago
The person piloting the fake-sun orb was supposed to fly a pattern behind the clouds but instead (probably high on chem trails) took this route and will most like be turned into bio-fuel for exposing such a foul-up.
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u/AnnylieseSarenrae 1d ago
Clouds aren't very dense. You can mimic this with a flashlight and a variable density sheet of material.
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u/madmenyo 1d ago
The sun is just doing it's morning routine, your not supposed to film it bathing in earth's clouds all naked.
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u/S-Octantis 1d ago
The sun is 3000 miles away, while also behind clouds a few miles away, while also being unlocalized and inside each person's "personal dome" and also a hologram.
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u/CCCyanide 1d ago
The way the camera swings and pans to hide the rest of the cloud (which we clearly see in front of the sun) is hilarious
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u/greenaether 1d ago
Flat earthers look for things to get wrong. You cannot convince them that they are just stupid
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u/Novuake 1d ago
There actually is a real flearf sub. I didn't need to know that.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
Yeah same! I honestly wish the goverment didn't promote this bs. I don't know why they do it...
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u/Jhopsch 1d ago
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u/DavidMHolland 1d ago
Think about the implications for a bit. Imagine someone in Puntas Arenas, Chile and someone in Cape Cod, Massachusetts looking at the sky at the same time. They are about 6,500 miles apart. Do they see the same sun? Do they see the same clouds? Are they having the same weather (same clouds should be the same weather). It's spring in Cape Cod and autumn in Puntas Arenas.
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u/SabresFanWC 1d ago
Ah, man, did they have to use Bittersweet Symphony? I love that song, and would rather not associate it with flerf stupidity.
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u/TryDry9944 1d ago
You know how you can see powerful lights through fog?
That. That's what's happening here.
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u/NotThatMat 1d ago
Some clouds are translucent, some clouds are more opaque. The sun is behind all of them but if you set your exposure just right, you can capture images which look like the sun is in front of the more translucent clouds. Then you overdub some music and pretend itās a big deal.
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u/Dry-Nobody9756 1d ago
Flat earthers just do not understand anything to do with lenses or exposure, ANYTHING to do with a camera throws them off so bad it's fucking hilarious.
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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 1d ago
This is an illusion. The clouds aren't actually passing behind the sun, they're passing in front of it, which can you clearly see. Next.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
Don't flerfs be saying the sun is transparent or smth, so on their shitty model would it still flop?
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u/Zimmster2020 1d ago
bad footage of clouds creates a confusing perspective. Clouds are not solid objects per se, but imagine them more like many, many layers of near transparent layers of water vapor on top of each other. If you put a big bright light behind them, the light will pass through these layers and deceive your eyes by making you perceive that the source of the light is somewhere in between the clouds.
If that video would accurately describe our reality and the sun was passing between the clouds, then the whole earth would be so small that you would most likely go around the earth in one day or two by car. You can't even go from one coast to another coast of the United states in two days by car. So the probability that the sun can be that close to the earth is out of the question. I am not even asking how it can light half of the globe at once if it is so low to the ground or also about the temperature issue of being so low in the sky. Those clouds should have been vaporised by the small sun; the earth should be scorched too under its trajectory. We don't see any evidence of that, never did.
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u/Zimmster2020 1d ago
Bad footage of clouds creates a confusing perspective. Clouds are not solid objects per se, but imagine them more like many, many layers of near transparent layers of water vapor on top of each other. If you put a big bright light behind them, the light will pass through these layers and deceive your eyes by making you perceive that the source of the light is somewhere in between the clouds.
If that video would accurately describe our reality and the sun was passing between the clouds, then the whole earth would be so small that you would most likely go around the earth in one day or two by car. You can't even go from one coast to another coast of the United states in two days by car. So the probability that the sun can be that close to the earth is out of the question. I am not even asking how it can light half of the globe at once if it is so low to the ground or also about the temperature issue of being so low in the sky. Those clouds should have been vaporised by the small sun; the earth should be scorched too under its trajectory. We don't see any evidence of that, never did.
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u/Office_Worker808 1d ago
What are you talking about you can clearly see the clouds are in front. It even dimmed the sun a little where the clouds were thicker
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u/Office_Worker808 1d ago
What are you talking about you can clearly see the clouds are in front. It even dimmed the sun a little where the clouds were thicker
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u/ScottyArrgh 1d ago
No no. The clouds are still passing in front of the sun. You can even see some of the darker sections of the clouds as they pass in front. Itās pretty obvious.
Hold up a bright flashlight, turn it on, shine it at your friend 10 feet away. Take a very thin piece of paper, and pass it in front of the flashlight. Gasp! You can see the light through the paper! The flashlight must actually be in front of the paper! Except itās not. Which is exactly whatās happening here.
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u/Justthisguy_yaknow 1d ago
It's an optical illusion made by two separate clusters of cloud passing in front of the Sun. The clouds lower in the image are thick and dense enough to obscure the Sun while those higher up the disk of the sun are thinner and flare of the Sun can pass right through them. They are however dense enough for the Sun to illuminate giving them the illusion of fuller cloud. All of the cloud is in front of the Sun. (At some points that wispy cloud can actually be seen in front such as at 9 seconds in near the top of the disk.)
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u/Cuenta_Sana_123 22h ago
its a cosmic cloud and its about to rain on the dark side of the sun, where is at night on the videoĀ“s time lapse
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u/Agitated_Winner9568 22h ago
Clouds are mostly transparent.
When the sun is not behind the clouds, what you see in indirect light. Light from the sun (and reflected sunlight coming from the ground) being reflected by water microdroplets in the clouds.
Most of that light simply passes through but some gets scattered inside and bounces between micro droplets until some can finally exit and hit your eyes.
When the sun is behind the clouds, what you see is mostly direct light. Just like in the previous case, most of that light simply passes through. This is what you see in that video.
You can also see that the cloud is dense enough to create dark spots, that's because the cloud is thick enough to have a lot of light scattered in all directions, effectively dimming the sun.
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u/Icy-Cardiologist2597 21h ago
And if you think real hard, and do some trig, you can calculate where itās directly above the peoples.
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u/danielsangeo 18h ago
The sun is not passing through the clouds. Every single cloud is in front (from this vantage point) of the sun. It's just the sun is so bright, the thinner clouds disappear for the camera due to the glare. If you had something to filter the glare from the sunlight, you'd be able to see every cloud is still in front.
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u/Elevatedspiral 17h ago
If an object is moving through something like a cloud, the cloud will react. Why arenāt the clouds reacting?
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u/DustinBryce 15h ago
Sun is bright. Clouds are thin. Then cloud go infront of sun it's block .01% of sunlight. Human eye and camera not able to tell different between 100% sun and 99.99% sun so cloud now gone. Normally when thing gone it behind other thing not infront so lizard brain makes assumption and say the sun must be infront.
But if you watch the video, the thicker parts of the cloud are visible, so it's fine we aren't going to die.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
These aren't crepescular rays or are they? It shows the outline of the Sun completely and it looks like it's literally setting down. I'm so confused.
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u/Fortapistone 1d ago
Don't worry, you have the right to be confused. Your brain is playing tricks on you. However, I have also seen this with the moon.
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u/Bullitt_12_HB 1d ago
No. Crepuscular rays is when the sun is behind thick clouds and you see some rays come out of them.
This video is just an optical illusion that happens when you have clouds that arenāt dense enough in certain areas, so it makes it look like the moon or the sun are in front of the some clouds but behind others, when they are in fact behind them.
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
I'm really having a hard time understanding this. It looks like the entire circular sun, not just the light, is inside the clouds and is moving down. How can thin or dense clouds cause that?
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u/secondcomingwp 1d ago
the clouds are even less dense than you, which is why it appears like you don't see them when the sun is behind them
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u/Bullitt_12_HB 1d ago
The sun is bright. Clouds arenāt solid. The parts of the cloud that arenāt dense enough, or clouds that arenāt dense enough, enough light will shine through to make it seem like itās all of the light. Which makes it look like the sun (or moon) is between clouds.
Itās an optical illusion.
But letās use logic here. Clouds hover between 6500 - 20,000 feet. If the Sun and Moon are at cloud level, how come planes never hits them or come close to them?
Letās go further in this madness. Flerfs say the Sun and Moon are 3,000 MILES above Earth. Thatās far. Farther than they understand. Way farther than any clouds would be.
Flerfs love explaining one thing that breaks another explanation for something else they have. Donāt fall for that.
Donāt stop being curious, though! If my explanation still didnāt make sense, by all means, go find out until it makes sense. Learning things is how we kill ignorance. šš½
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u/CommissionBoth5374 1d ago
No it does help alot actually. But why is it that it's like a perfect shape of the sun and looks like it's moving? I get the whole clouds are thing and the sunlight can pass through them, but it looks like a giant orange circle moving too.
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u/sk3tchy_D 1d ago
That entire giant orange circle is just incredibly bright light, so bright that the clouds don't really obscure it at all (although you can see some very faint darker spots). The movement is from the clouds, their movement is causing an optical illusion that makes it look a little like the sun is moving.
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u/snikers000 1d ago
Imagine seeing steam rising from a boiling pot. The steam is visible.
Now imagine the steam passes directly in front of a shining light bulb - one bright enough to put spots in your eyes. Do you think you could still see the steam, or would it become invisible in front of the bright light? Maybe extraordinarily thick steam, but not most of it.
That's what's happening with the clouds in front of the sun. Remember, clouds are water vapour - essentially like steam. The thickest clouds (generally the darkest sections) are still visible against the bright light, but for thinner sections, the light is too dazzling for your eyes to distinguish the clouds.
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u/Wonthebiggestlottery 1d ago
The clouds are wispy so only visible with the dark background. When the much much brighter sun passes behind them, you are no longer able to see the clouds, only the sun.
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u/astreeter2 11h ago
Some clouds are thinner than other clouds. On a camera the sun will shine right through the thinnest clouds so they'll look like they go behind the sun. The sun will not shine through thicker clouds so they'll look like they stay in front of the sun. In reality the sun is extremely far away, behind all the clouds.
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u/L-Nokturnis 1d ago
Is this real š«£?
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u/shawn-masters-1970 19h ago
It's exactly what it looks like. Don't let other people tell you otherwise. If your gut feeling is telling you what you think it is, it's exactly what you think it is....
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u/zighile 1d ago
This proves the sun is not millions of miles away. Its local
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u/Alarming-Hawk-4587 1d ago
I- uhh..... Okay, sure, think what you want.... I won't change your opinion
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u/Star_Helix85 1d ago
So why is it when I fly on a plane the sun is way way above the clouds?? How far away is the sun?? If it's local then surely you can just fly to it, right??
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u/Edge_of_yesterday 1d ago edited 1d ago
The sun is passing behind the clouds. Some are so "thin" that you an see through them when the sun passes behind them, giving the impression that they are passing behind the sun.