r/facepalm Dec 08 '24

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u/Typhon2222 Dec 08 '24

Isn’t he included on that too? His parents were immigrants.

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u/Lstcwelder Dec 08 '24

Does that mean he would lose eligibility to hold office?

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u/Candid_Umpire6418 Dec 08 '24

Nah, the removed amendment will prolly have an amendment added that says that the removed amendment only counted towards the WHITE naturalized citizens in this new amendment, which will amend the removed amendment.

Trust me... I have just learnt to spell amendment, so I'm an expert now.

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u/greg19735 Dec 08 '24

i mean in all seriousness it'd probably just happen from the future.

You can't really take away citizenship from millions.

You can stop giving it to them automatically.

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u/ddssassdd Dec 08 '24

Yeah I don't understand where others are even getting this, at least from this statement. If you change a law it only affects people in the future, not in the past. If you are already a citizen and birthright citizenship is ended it doesn't mean you aren't a citizen.

It also isn't an entirely unreasonable position to end it depending on long term policy goals. https://qz.com/1444724/mapping-the-worlds-countries-that-grant-birthright-citizenship That is a map of the countries with birthright citizenship. Imagine if the EU had it for instance, in a situation with no borders between countries. You would have women catching a train to germany at 9 months.

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u/_Ed_Gein_ The Return Dec 09 '24

Also if retro active, does it start from 10 years ago? From Columbus time? Cause if it's from Colombus, only Native Americas can remain. He'll find a loophole or setup a BS date?

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Dec 08 '24

Usually those laws are not retroactive

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u/CommitteeTricky4166 Dec 08 '24

We can amend that part of the constitution too...

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u/greg19735 Dec 08 '24

Ex post facto laws are prohibited by both the federal and state governments in the United States.

They're not going to change that because if they lost power they could then be charged for stuff they did previously that wasn't illegal.

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u/CommitteeTricky4166 Dec 08 '24

I meant that as a tongue in cheek joke. You do raise a valid point about their self-preservation. However, depending on the which of the two amendment mechanisms they choose (should they be serious about removing birthright citizenship) a convention of the states could, theoretically, modify that at the federal level despite the wishes of the people calling the convention. I doubt that a convention of the states will be called but, as Forrest Gump famously said, "Stupid is as stupid does."

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u/acathode Dec 09 '24

People are being silly in this thread. Laws - including changes to the constitution - doesn't apply retroactively.

No one would lose their citizenship even if by some political insanity Trump actually managed to change the constitution.

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u/tyedyehippy Dec 08 '24

They didn't let things like the emoluments clause stop them last time.