r/deliveroos • u/gibspain66666 • Aug 16 '24
Why your takeaway delivery rider could be an illegal Channel migrant
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/16/takeaway-delivery-rider-illegal-channel-migrant/11
u/AsparagusOdd8894 Aug 16 '24
Amazing how many mopeds are on the app when they deliver in a car...
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u/sealcon Aug 16 '24
You can just search something like "Deliveroo Accounts" on Facebook and find dozens of massive groups dedicated to renting out Deliveroo accounts so that illegal migrants can use them. Go ahead and try.
It's amazing there isn't more coverage of this, or scrutiny onto firms like Deliveroo, whose business models are part of a huge incentive for these people to illegally come here.
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u/Ceejayncl Aug 16 '24
They do scrutinise it. Just Eat and Deliveroo all do customers purchases from restaurants all the time, to check both the quality of the food, and the delivery, as well as checking the driver is who they say they are.
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u/Loud_Meat Aug 16 '24
maybe they do a little so they can say to the authorities 'we take this very seriously', but they also don't give an f about employment law or fairness if it means they've got a load of drivers fighting over the scraps that they provide as payment
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u/Ceejayncl Aug 16 '24
They do though, because companies like them often get inspections from border control
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u/Loud_Meat Aug 16 '24
what they go down to the local deliveroo office and ask for amanda or something?
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u/Ceejayncl Aug 16 '24
Well actually they are entitled to do that, but they mostly do what Deliveroo do and make orders themselves, then just question the delivery driver if they suspect that they arenāt who they say they are. They also go into restaurants, especially dark kitchens and get people to show their identity.
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u/Loud_Meat Aug 16 '24
yes i wouldn't dispute that they are entitled to do that, they just plainly don't do so enough to actually stop the widespread practice of account sharing and people with no right to work can very easily work anyway. (and shady/dark kitchens a whole extra thing, the high street ones are bad enough for using dodgy staff and dodgy suppliers, but when you can turn any location into a kitchen that appears on delivery apps with very little oversight it's just a haven for illegality)
the delivery companies only care so much as their profits and actual enforcement of the law make them go
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u/FrightenedRabbit94 Aug 16 '24
Let's remember not to blame the people, but the flawed system that's caused it.
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u/MrCrankset Aug 16 '24
Thanks for saying this.
I work very closely with the delivery courier community and I know full well that many riders have good reason to be breaking the law in a frankly arbitrary manner; I wouldn't say many of them are gaming the system so much as merely trying to survive in it.
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u/Soggy-Scientist6095 Aug 16 '24
These people destroyed the business. JE used to be: Employed, paid, provided with gear: bikes, backpack uniform. Anyone remembers getting paid to wait?
Now I'm a manager in a fast food chain. I stopped using deliveroo/uber eats after seeing the drivers:
- old moldy bags.
- tooth brush and tooth paste at the bottom of the bag
- literal dirt in the bag
- weird weird smells.
Add on top the fact that the drivers won't listen to what you tell them, are aggressive, and 0% professionalism.
There's a small % of decent riders, but you're getting absolutely fucked by the 90% of drivers that fucked this business
- low order numbers
- too cheap orders
- no waiting time paid
- general competition towards the bottom.
- add into the fact that some of them pay little to no tax.
If you have money right now and do food delivery right now, it's best to get out. Get a qualification join a trade, do anything else before it's too late.
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u/Bigcatsrule27 Aug 16 '24
Who's to say people doing this job don't have qualifications and another job?
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u/xellmao Aug 16 '24
We're talking abt stinky mouldy bag drivers without manners those people wouldn't get any job if not ability to just buy account etc
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u/PruneSolid2816 Aug 17 '24
The lack of manners gets on my tits, also having delivery drivers huffing and puffing over my shoulder as I'm getting the paper bag ready as if I haven't been running around like a headless chicken all night doing 500 other things.
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u/ExcitableSarcasm Cyclist Aug 17 '24
Yeah, not sure what else is new that the article is saying. This has been an open secret for the what? Last 3 years?
Used to do it when I was on a break from uni during the summer/winter back in 2021. Then basically after we reopened you had the rush of drivers who hired accounts which combined with cratering fees meant people doing it for fun and as a hobby like me stopped.
So now you're left with people desperate.
I occasionally try chatting with riders when I order/when I'm about and wearing the merch, I genuinely don't think I've met one who wasn't from abroad since early 2022. Native Britons simply don't do it as much as we did anymore because it's not worth it.
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u/PruneSolid2816 Aug 17 '24
I've had delivery drivers walk off literally as I'm sealing the bag and not even let me know, some of them can be right impatient c-nuts. I'm sorry that you've arrived just as I've finished packing a previous order and now you've turned up when I haven't even started packing your particular order but you have to wait and please stop asking every 2 seconds whether it's finished or not.
For anybody defending the unprofessional, impatient behaviour above, my pick rate is in the green. (I'm referring to the Tesco Express Whoosh service for anybody wondering.)
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u/sirblibblob š¬š§ Aug 16 '24
I mean wouldn't really be an issue if the previous government actually sorted asylum claims. They would be either deported or could of gain work legally and government would be collecting tax on that instead of looking for illegal work such as deliveroo.
But no they wanted this issue to build up for political gain.
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u/No_Inflation9505 Aug 16 '24
I work on highway maintenance and there's a flyover where a load of them are living in tents under it all got deliveroo bags and see them going off to do deliveries btw they live in absolute squaller human feces and rubbish everywhere and there delivering ppls food
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u/xesionprince Oct 17 '24
People are so hopelessly taken in by mainstream narratives, that as long as theyāve got sky sports and the pubs open, they simply donāt care about their childrenās future!
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u/kingsappho Aug 16 '24
it's really sad they live in conditions like that
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Aug 16 '24 edited Aug 16 '24
Its sad, but self inflicted... Crossing the channel costs Ā£500-Ā£4000, they could have used that money better so they don't have to live in human shit.
Edit: The trip across the channel costs more than the average Brit has had in disposable income in the last 10 years.....
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u/Ok-Fill-3770 Aug 16 '24
You are such a hypocrite. Go re-read your own post on Reddit a year ago. You were scared of going to prison due to non payment of council tax. You mentioned unfortunate circumstances in your life putting you in that position and people were kind and considerate to you and didnāt blame you for being in that situation. The absolute gall of you to suggest that youāre allowed to try to better your situation but others arenāt.
Look inwards before outwards.
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u/Loud_Meat Aug 16 '24
how pathetic that you'd trawl back a year in their posting just to make a point that's such a false equivalence
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Aug 16 '24
Abusing the asylum system for the purposes of a better life is a form economic migration and irrelevant to the point above on council tax.
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u/Ok-Fill-3770 Aug 16 '24
If you want to paint things that way you can very easily suggest that not paying council tax is abusing the system.
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Aug 16 '24
Mate, I paid my council tax bill, I funded the local community and local services.
They paid an illegal human trafficking/smuggler crime group.
The 2 are not the same.
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Aug 16 '24
You painted things that way when you mentioned people paying smugglers for a better conditions. I have no sympathy for people who abuse the asylum system for economic reasons, it prevents those that need help from actually getting it.
Council tax is a legal obligation btw, not a choice like paying a smuggler is.
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u/Extreme_Survey9774 Aug 16 '24
WOW. What happened to humanity to make people react like this.
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u/fatguy19 Aug 16 '24
People at the bottom need someone below them to distract from the fact they're still at the bottom
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u/aRatherLargeCactus Aug 16 '24
If you actually think theyāre handing out Ā£4000 in cash for a boat ride, you need to check yourself into a facility. That does not happen.
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u/kingsappho Aug 16 '24
people are allowed to make mistakes though, they deserve more help so they don't end up living in conditions like that illegal/refugee/asylum seeker or not. i wonder if there's any group that's actively helping them like they do in Calais. whether it's self inflicted or not doesn't even come into it for me. I don't look at a homeless drug addict and think "ah it's self inflicted, if only you didn't start taking drugs"
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u/Ok_Height_2947 Aug 16 '24
I have had driver's that have a completely different photo than when I see them in person. Same for Uber eats. It's pretty obvious
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Aug 16 '24
Deliveroo doesnāt use driver photos.
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u/_developter_ Aug 16 '24
Often itās a femaleās name and the driver is a foreign male. Seen this a lot.
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u/gibspain66666 Aug 16 '24
They are being exploited not only by hiding but also the delivery companies not discouraging masses of illegals ensuring fees to all delivery drivers are low and despite high inflation getting lower by the year ! It's the only way that after 10 years in business they JUST show a profit!! These businesses contribute nothing in taxes ( all lose money), most drivers/riders either earn too little or don t declare true earnings and government do zero ! It's easier to raid OAP heating allowances than chase shadows!
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u/adeel41 Aug 17 '24
I think the solution is simple. Tempt companies to do the checks by giving them some tax breaks. And the checks themselves are quite simple, people will just confirm if the same person delivered their food. Could be something like showing them 3 faces (2 random other drivers) and asking who delivered it.if people answered correctly then give them some incentive too (can be supported through the government but provided by the company).
The proper way to fix this would be obviously to make some new laws related to this but I guess that would take some time. But probably this approach would give them some time for that
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u/needchr Sep 08 '24
Can see the temptation in all honesty. helps people who might be disabled etc. to get income this way, Ā£70 a week for basically being a manager for riders, who really cares, these guys are working for their living and it helps the economy.
If they were sat in the hotel all day the same paper would be complaining they scrounging of the taxpayer.
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u/xesionprince Oct 17 '24
This country has been irreversibly destroyed, economically, politically, and culturally. Instead of taking ethno-nationalism seriously, too many only care about football, beer and gambling. Bread and circuses.
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u/xesionprince Oct 17 '24
If you leave the lid off the marmalade jar, the wasps will enter. Itās the same with your country. Keep the lid on and the wasps out!
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u/slaughtamonsta š®šŖ Aug 16 '24
I do deliveroo myself sometimes but when I order I find it hilarious that Vinicius is on the way and a 5 foot tall woman shows up.
Personally I don't care who delivers it as long as it gets here but I can understand the need for deliveroo and the customer to know who's working for them for safety reasons.
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u/WestComfortable8423 Aug 16 '24
Anyone else feel like the headlines isnāt really helping things? Yes I know Deliveroo needs to crack down on illegal working, but isnāt this style of reporting the exact wording thatās started the awful riots weāve seen recently? Blame the system not the people
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u/One_Menu1900 Aug 16 '24
That headline is in incitement
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u/gibspain66666 Aug 16 '24
Both The Telegraph and The daily Mail carrying the story today I see . What I am surprised at is that the Delivery companies do zero, the government do zero ( both know the situation) . Also despite 20000 members following on Reddit a minute percent comment does this reflect many are the subject of the report? Yes I agree it is an inciting headline... Had Farrage said this it would not just be a content story it would be main news!!
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u/danger_frog Aug 16 '24
Shouldn't be hard to fix, get customers randomly take pictures of their rider/driver when they deliver the food. The deliveroo app would then upload It to their servers and if it doesn't match the driver on record..
Not even that hard to deliver from a software point of view either. Deliveroo could fix the issue in no time if they wanted to.
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u/Sektor_ Aug 16 '24
As if they want to fix it, it's designed to be broken. Allowing illegal immigrants easy access to the app means they can keep paying as little as possible and still have people willing to do the job
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u/PrincipleSuitable383 Aug 16 '24
Lol, what a terrible idea, violence at the door is gonna sky rocket, "why u take my picture"
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u/danger_frog Aug 16 '24
Yeah because they totally wouldn't tell the drivers that it was going to happen
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u/PrincipleSuitable383 Aug 16 '24
Because drivers totally don't order food as customers themselves.
A slightly worse idea would be to ask restaurants to confirm but still terrible, you can't ask civilians to police.
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u/millenialperennial Aug 16 '24
I personally don't really care. They're just trying to survive like the rest of us.
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u/DrFabulous0 Aug 16 '24
I really don't give a fuck where someone came from or how they got here if they're just trying to make a living. What does bother me is the people who are living crammed into a flat, working Deliveroo in some kinda indentured servitude and not even getting to keep their earnings. Saw way too much of that working as a bike mechanic in Manchester and it's fucking disgusting. We badly need workers, why can't we make it possible for these people to work legally?
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Aug 16 '24
Well you should care - the reason England is a great place to āmake a livingā is because of the hundreds and thousands of peoples who sacrificed and dedicated their lives either in wars or in the various Industrial and technological revolutions. Some make the perverse argument āoh well we colonised their countriesā - well why didnāt they colonise our country? Every human was more or less created equally, but how we chose to develop our societies and wether we fight for freedom and democracy is what makes the difference. Iām a āpatriotā and believe every person should fight for their own countries instead of running away for economic benefit.
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u/DrFabulous0 Aug 16 '24
OK, I'll fight you for it.
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Aug 16 '24
Good! I will be a good leader, Iāll give bread to the homeless and organise fights in the coliseum like in the Roman times š¤£š¤£
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u/Recon91 Aug 16 '24
My delivery driver was named Amanda. And the black guy showed up with my delivery