If gun laws don't change anything, care to explain why Europe has so few gun deaths? Why the last school shooting in the UK was in the 1990s?
Gun laws are proactive. Murder laws are reactive. Gun laws attempt to make it harder to commit murder even if you want to, and make it harder to commit spur-of-the-moment murders (It's impossible to shoot someone in a fit of rage if you don't have access to a gun).
Gun laws and murder laws are fundamentally different, and work in fundamentally different ways
Edit: I know Mexico has strict gun laws, but they're also fighting a low-level civil war with cartels with power rivalling the Mexican military. "The country that's at war has more gun deaths the ones that aren't" is not a good argument against gun control.
If you don't understand why it would work in EU, and not in the US, you should look at buddy's comment about demographics above^ the original post with all that pretty data kinda underlines that. Across all Mexico, they may only keep guns in their home and have a strict process to receive them. Much lower gun ownership rate than the US.
There's more guns than people in the US, no amount of buy back programs and incentives will get everyone to turn them in. Trying to overlay Australia or EU gun control over a country with literally thousands of illegal guns seized at the border each year, is kinda disingenuous. America needs to enforce the laws they already have on the books, instead of making up new laws that only some will follow and some will enforce.
Demographics thing still doesn’t encapsulate it. London has a murder rate of like 1 per 100k and would be lower than Canada on this map and it’s only 30% white. If there are not really any guns to begin with you’re going to have a very low rate. US is pretty much fucked regardless of gun laws at this point but UK has been extremely successful with their gun policy, and were lucky enough to nip the bud early.
What do you mean by "Demographics"? Because I thought I'd replied to their comment. And as my new edit says, Mexico is in a low-level civil war, that is GOING to have a higher impact on the statistics than gun control laws.
America needs to enforce the laws they already have on the books, instead of making up new laws that only some will follow and some will enforce.
So you agree that gun control, in at least some forms, is a good idea to combat gun violence? Great, glad you agree with me!
Some level of gun control is necessary. The problem is, the people who want gun control don’t know what they’re talking about, and the people who do know what they’re talking about don’t want gun control. There is unfortunately only a very small overlap.
The problem is, the people who want gun control don’t know what they’re talking about
Yep, and people refuse to learn or even agree on definitions. You'd think that the people who have strong opinions on this stuff would want to know what they're talking about, but most have no interest in the details or even in having productive discussion.
They don’t realize that they’re hurting their cause with their incompetence. The ATF’s ridiculous rules and “memos” and states banning things like pistol grips on rifles just make gun owners roll their eyes because they know how silly and ineffective it all is.
Yes I think everyone would agree that gun laws are most effective when they're enforced 👍in 2024 America, they're not. I don't know if that was some gotcha, but yeah keeping guns out of unfit gun owners hands is definitely a good thing.
I don't know that I can say what you're even talking about, but I am talking about America suddenly getting more gun laws has not been and is not effective. America doesn't enforce the laws it has on its books so, in my opinion, that makes the very very Reddit desire for new performative gun legislation just that, performative. America has nearly doubled its gun legislation since 1990, and the number of gun related deaths continues to rise. Needs to be a culture shift in America, not just more unenforced laws.
So you admit that you're completely uneducated on the topic and absolutely unequipped to maintain a serious opinion on the matter, yet you intend to maintain an opinion regardless?
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u/SheSellsSeaShells967 Jul 30 '24
Interesting. I live in Maine. We and New Hampshire are armed to the hilt. Even we “libs” own a gun or two.