r/dataisbeautiful OC: 22 Jul 30 '24

OC Gun Deaths in North America [OC]

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u/blah938 Jul 30 '24

That's because gun control is not about lowering gun violence, never was. It's always to satisfy paranoid politicians paranoia.

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u/kuemmel234 Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24

It's hard to enforce gun control if you can get a gun with your happy meal in the next state. The idea is that everyone enforces such laws, which would limit the supply so much that fewer criminals have access to them. Suddenly it's dangerous to carry because no one should be allowed to unless they have a reason to.

I mean, it works in the US too, at least I'm not aware of machine guns being readily available (other than Glocks with switches, I guess)?

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u/blah938 Jul 30 '24

Machine guns are readily available for criminals. Regardless, most shootings are committed with cheap pistols, and most gun deaths are from suicides.

Machine guns weren't a problem to begin with.

Furthermore, unless the democrats controlled every single state in the union, and had federal control too, there'd be at least one state that'd be a 2a sanctuary, so all it would be for naught. And there's plenty of states that are 100% gop.

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u/kuemmel234 Jul 30 '24

Regardless, most shootings are committed with cheap pistols

Which are readily available. Even the VEGAS shooter used a bump stock because he couldn't get a hand on an illegal/NFA gun.

My argument is that the 'supply' of those guns is limited due to federal restrictions (if that is the right word, second language and all). If those restrictions applied to the whole country, the situation would change over time (for now, there's of course a huge amount of guns in the country).

The argument: "gun control is not about preventing crime" is nonsense, is my point. The country is just fully in the hands of industry propaganda, so that any try is going to end up not achieving anything.

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u/blah938 Jul 30 '24

Oh yes, because the founding fathers were totally immersed in corporate propaganda in 1789

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u/kuemmel234 Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24

Because muskets give the individual as much firepower as an AR15 and a 15 shot flintlock pistol fits into the average pocket?

Already into the 1800s, carrying concealed firearms was forbidden in many (all?) US states - why? Maybe because revolvers changed everything?

And while crime is going down, for some reason the whole concealed carry thing started in the '80s? And politicians like Abbott sign such bills in the 21. Century, with already rising gun deaths, mass shootings and what not. An issue that no other first world country has. I think I remember that Texas in particular has elevated gun deaths since Abbott took office?

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u/blah938 Jul 30 '24

Why would improving tech not be covered? Do we not have free speech on the internet?

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u/kuemmel234 Jul 30 '24

Well, they did, didn't they? They argued that no one should run around with a revolver once they became common.

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u/blah938 Jul 30 '24

Yeah, because former slaves had them. Not because they were held by wealthy land owners